Bardon's Bullshit 'Kabbalah'

[BBBB]

Thank you for clarifying, I appreciate it! I'm still a bit new myself.

(whispers to her ear) "He doesn't know."
I wonder, if asked, "Doesn't Bardon have something like "self-reflecting awareness?", how he would squirm.
Comparing Gourdjieff to Bardon... Why study art in an academy? Just draw! You'll eventually learn how to create masterpieces. Right?

 

[Beyond Everything]

I wonder, if asked, "Doesn't Bardon have something like "self-reflecting awareness?",

I said he doesn't talk about it- in the context in terms of the creation of a true 'I' for higher development.

But we can look at what Bardon has that you may be referring to

You are sitting quietly in your familiar position with your eyes closed. Transfer your consciousness exactly into the middle of your body, into the pit of your stomach, the solar plexus. You must feel yourself as a mere dot, as an atom in the center between the spine and the pit f the stomach. This center is the center of gravity of your body. Try to stay there with your consciousness for at least five minutes; you may use an alarm clock to check the time. Regard your body from his point. The more diminutive you imagine yourself, the bigger you will perceive the circumference of your body, which will appear to you as a big universe. At this point, meditate as follows: “I am the center of my body; I am the determining power therein!”

This is quite unsatisfactory towards what I'm talking about. First of all, feeling yourself as a dot takes you out of the deeper possibilities of crystallizing the 'I' Im talking about. Also the imaginative exercise of changing your size. None of this is going to help with the extremely difficult and very subtle sort of processes involved. That goes again for the verbal affirmation, which might have some utility, but not for the self-reflecting awareness at that point, which is far beyond any verbal formulation and should be ideally 'pursued' into ever deeper states of consciousness- where using verbal formulations is obviously a total impediment.

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Comparing Gourdjieff to Bardon... Why study art in an academy? Just draw! You'll eventually learn how to create masterpieces. Right?

If your professor of art is unable to draw- say- a Centaur (Bardon not being to heal himself), you may wonder why you're paying tuition.

 

[FireBorn]

@Beyond Everything what system, or style of magick would you recommend for someone interested in the Bardon system? Think outside the self healing aspect of it for a second, I'm sure most ppl aren't really thinking that's a thing, or at least not something they prioritize (hopefully).

 

[Beyond Everything]

@Beyond Everything what system, or style of magick would you recommend for someone interested in the Bardon system? Think outside the self healing aspect of it for a second, I'm sure most ppl aren't really thinking that's a thing, or at least not something they prioritize (hopefully).

Reiterating some of the points I made-

-Bardon is overrated (all the claims to his total mastery and him being the reincarnation of Hermes Trismegistus and etc)

-The letters simply don't accomplish what Bardon claims to anywhere the degree he says they do.

-Bardon wasn't teaching the highest initiatic realities

-Really taking in his concept of 'Divine Providence' is just more counterproductive programming that can induce 'subconscious' blocks and dependencies.

Now, if people don't care at all about these things, then they can go ahead and delve into Bardon's system if they wish. I never said it can't bring some results to people.

 

[FireBorn]

Reiterating some of the points I made-

-Bardon is overrated (all the claims to his total mastery and him being the reincarnation of Hermes Trismegistus and etc)

-The letters simply don't accomplish what Bardon claims to anywhere the degree he says they do.

-Bardon wasn't teaching the highest initiatic realities

-Really taking in his concept of 'Divine Providence' is just more counterproductive programming that can induce 'subconscious' blocks and dependencies.

Now, if people don't care at all about these things, then they can go ahead and delve into Bardon's system if they wish. I never said it can't bring some results to people.

Come on dude, I offered a bridge for you to cross and offer your opinion on what you DO recommend, not the reiterated points you articulated very clearly already. I, not even coming at this with aggression, honest inquiry into what you DO believe, not what you dont.

 

[Beyond Everything]

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Come on dude, I offered a bridge for you to cross and offer your opinion on what you DO recommend, not the reiterated points you articulated very clearly already. I, not even coming at this with aggression, honest inquiry into what you DO believe, not what you dont.

I don't know what to tell you. Read all my previous posts if you're interested in some of my beliefs. I've even alluded to important things in this and in the other Bardon thread. If people just gloss over it and don't/can't contemplate what I said that's not my problem.

You asked what I would recommend for someone interested in Bardon. I answered. If someone is really interested in Bardon, then they can just study Bardon. I'm just laying out the problems/limits/misleading claims there. If you expect me to say X ready-made magic 'system' is a good substitute, things don't work that way. They simply don't exist in the kind of material- and spiritual- encompassing manner that Bardon's implies. As well, someone could be interested in Bardon for very different reasons and motivations.

People have to figure shit out and piece things together for themselves. It is extremely useful to understand what sort of limits and problems various popular occult routes have though, I wish someone had told me such things when I was starting out. But again, the hard truth is the occult is still hidden for a reason, no matter how many books are written. Real accomplishment brings unbelievable power (post-mortem), and as well there are various forces arrayed against real human potential.

On the other hand if someone just wants some goals achieved and to 'feel' more spiritual, they can just go with the popular occult paths.

 

[FireBorn]

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I don't know what to tell you. Read all my previous posts if you're interested in some of my beliefs. I've even alluded to important things in this and in the other Bardon thread. If people just gloss over it and don't/can't contemplate what I said that's not my problem.

You asked what I would recommend for someone interested in Bardon. I answered. If someone is really interested in Bardon, then they can just study Bardon. I'm just laying out the problems/limits/misleading claims there. If you expect me to say X ready-made magic 'system' is a good substitute, things don't work that way. They simply don't exist in the kind of material- and spiritual- encompassing manner that Bardon's implies. As well, someone could be interested in Bardon for very different reasons and motivations.

People have to figure shit out and piece things together for themselves. It is extremely useful to understand what sort of limits and problems various popular occult routes have though, I wish someone had told me such things when I was starting out. But again, the hard truth is the occult is still hidden for a reason, no matter how many books are written. Real accomplishment brings unbelievable power (post-mortem), and as well there are various forces arrayed against real human potential.

On the other hand if someone just wants some goals achieved and to 'feel' more spiritual, they can just go with the popular occult paths.

Your second pass at it was much better. You actually put your skin in the game here.

 

[BBBB]

If anyone had any doubts left that Beyond Everything has nothing better to offer, they should have ended now. Not only that, but also self-contradicting: so, now people who are interested in Bardon should study Bradon? Thank you very much, we've already figured that out! You can stop throwing feces at us. But read everything BE said to find out his beliefs? I'm not interested in beliefs. I never asked for his beliefs. I asked what he could recommend, others asked what else he can recommend. He can't. End of story, end of conversation, stop wasting our time. Nothing wrong with criticizing something and speaking out your beliefs, but actively ridiculing a system and looking down on people who practice it, while not demonstrating competence in it, and not providing alternative, is bullshit. It's yours not Bardons.

 

[Beyond Everything]

If anyone had . But read everything BE said to find out his beliefs? I'm not interested in beliefs. I never asked for his beliefs.

Someone else did, oh bright one.

, stop wasting our time.

Who is forcing you to read me?

but actively ridiculing a system and looking down on people who practice it

If you consider pointing out major discrepencies such as the health claims vs health results to be 'ridicule', maybe consider your emotional issues around empiricism.

I tried showing you something specific regarding Bardon's technique (in relation to the self-reflecting awareness), but that passed underneath your awareness and over your head.