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Is Abaddon an angel or a demon? I watched a TV show called Haunted Hotel and because there was a character called Abaddon it got me interested in learning about demonolgy.
In the show Abaddon is a demon but when I looked up Abaddon outside the show it also called him an angel. I heard in some traditions he's a demon and in others an angel?
Partly why I was also interested in the abyss as a concept. I explained away most magic I expierenced in dreams as just psychology and pyscho-analysis. After learning about it kind of is but there's more to it than that.
Well firstly, stop getting your occult 'knowledge' from TV shows
I know there are enormously experienced people on here who can guide you about demonology. We do have a thread about 'Crossing the Abyss' but, frankly, you'll probably be more confused going out than you were coming in...
I personally believe that magic is how to manipulate your own normal conscious processes in order to be 'lucky on purpose', but I realise this is not a popular opinion.
Hmm I tried not get my only source from a TV show. It was just a starting point to let me know more about the occult.
I tried to find other sources. I don't watch a lot of TV because I was too busy for a while. Then I made more time for myself and exploring things that I enjoyed.
I enjoyed that show and thought why not explore the lore of it. I am trying to take this seriously I just started from a not fully serious point like a TV show.
TV shows just helped me to understand my emotions better and how I feel in relation to the world around me.
Hmm I tried not get my only source from a TV show. It was just a starting point to let me know more about the occult.
I tried to find other sources. I don't watch a lot of TV because I was too busy for a while. Then I made more time for myself and exploring things that I enjoyed.
I enjoyed that show and thought why not explore the lore of it. I am trying to take this seriously I just started from a not fully serious point like a TV show.
TV shows just helped me to understand my emotions better and how I feel in relation to the world around me.
I mainly ask this because I read from some of the forum posts here because if Abaddon is an angel then I think it changes the rules of working with him. Like has to serve the "greater good?" Whatever that means.
But if he's a demon then basically no rules. But maybe angel is just a title since I look on posts here and people seem to like him? I don't know though that why I asked
Hmm I tried not get my only source from a TV show. It was just a starting point to let me know more about the occult.
I tried to find other sources. I don't watch a lot of TV because I was too busy for a while. Then I made more time for myself and exploring things that I enjoyed.
I enjoyed that show and thought why not explore the lore of it. I am trying to take this seriously I just started from a not fully serious point like a TV show.
TV shows just helped me to understand my emotions better and how I feel in relation to the world around me.
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I mainly ask this because I read from some of the forum posts here because if Abaddon is an angel then I think it changes the rules of working with him. Like has to serve the "greater good?" Whatever that means.
But if he's a demon then basically no rules. But maybe angel is just a title since I look on posts here and people seem to like him? I don't know though that why I asked
I don't think I would want to do work with him if at all. Maybe when I have way more practice and knowledge than the bare bones. But thats maybe.
I kind of just want to learn right now. And process it. I feel a little too depressed to do spells. To do much honestly. But reading about magic that I believe in more helps.
Recovery from what I went through takes time. I'm mostly trying to meditate and sit in silence right now.
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I used to watch a lot of TV though when I had time. I watched the original Dragon Ball a lot.
Well firstly, stop getting your occult 'knowledge' from TV shows
I know there are enormously experienced people on here who can guide you about demonology. We do have a thread about 'Crossing the Abyss' but, frankly, you'll probably be more confused going out than you were coming in...
I personally believe that magic is how to manipulate your own normal conscious processes in order to be 'lucky on purpose', but I realise this is not a popular opinion.
I never even claimed to know much and abaddon is just a recorded figure who was used in TV show as a character but is also an occult something?
I don't know much I am learning. "Knowledge" in quotation marks is right because I am learning. And to learn sometimes you have to ask questions.
I'm going to like this but to only show agreement that I do not have the knowledge yet. I have "knowledge" generalization from society no theory nothing. Just nothing.
Hmm I tried not get my only source from a TV show. It was just a starting point to let me know more about the occult.
I tried to find other sources. I don't watch a lot of TV because I was too busy for a while. Then I made more time for myself and exploring things that I enjoyed.
I enjoyed that show and thought why not explore the lore of it. I am trying to take this seriously I just started from a not fully serious point like a TV show.
TV shows just helped me to understand my emotions better and how I feel in relation to the world around me.
I was kind of joking - you did indeed say in the next line that you looked elsewhere as well.
It sounds to me like the first thing you should read is about Chaos Magic. We have Liber Null and other books in the library. Chaos Magick is about manipulating your own belief systems to do magic - this would allow you to explore what you think about Abaddon, and how you can relate him to your own situation. If you want to work with him, you will need to forge a relationship with him. You will find out some things about his nature, and you would need to decide what kind of relationship you want with him.
I will point out that I personally believe spirits of all kinds, demons or what-have-you, to be egregores - things made up by humans that have taken on a life of their own because so many people have believed them into reality.
I was kind of joking - you did indeed say in the next line that you looked elsewhere as well.
It sounds to me like the first thing you should read is about Chaos Magic. We have Liber Null and other books in the library. Chaos Magick is about manipulating your own belief systems to do magic - this would allow you to explore what you think about Abaddon, and how you can relate him to your own situation. If you want to work with him, you will need to forge a relationship with him. You will find out some things about his nature, and you would need to decide what kind of relationship you want with him.
I will point out that I personally believe spirits of all kinds, demons or what-have-you, to be egregores - things made up by humans that have taken on a life of their own because so many people have believed them into reality.
Does anyone know the new trending song that goes I'm left I'm right I'm left I'm left. I think thats how Abaddon works. He just moves through both paths. Its a constant movement thing.
Is Abaddon an angel or a demon? I watched a TV show called Haunted Hotel and because there was a character called Abaddon it got me interested in learning about demonolgy.
In the show Abaddon is a demon but when I looked up Abaddon outside the show it also called him an angel. I heard in some traditions he's a demon and in others an angel?
Partly why I was also interested in the abyss as a concept. I explained away most magic I expierenced in dreams as just psychology and pyscho-analysis. After learning about it kind of is but there's more to it than that.
It's funny that they throw the devil into the bottomless abyss yet are able to fish him out again in 1000 years. Didn't fall too far then. I bet it's just a few feet deep.
Hmm. From what I read about crossing the abyss here is that its an ordeal and should not be taken lightly. Maybe a patron could help since from I heard on here a patron is what helps cross it.
Doing it on your own without first reading more about it might be dangerous. I really don't though. I need to study more theory. Haven't even read Crowley yet and he popularized the crossing of it.
But if what I'm reading here is right then its still an ordeal. Hope your just careful if you do plan to cross it.
Abbadon is one of Ancient Primordial Forces. His name comes from Sumerian Absu. His Power is way beyond that of mere Angels. But He isn't the One who can be easily contacted with. His name means Abyss. Trying to directly interact with Abyss is a sure recipe to madness. All people are scared of death. And Abyss is MUCH more frightening. He is at best mentioned in most of the texts without being given any means to contact Him, that's if to disregard all the modern books full of fantasies.
I can recommend reading Enuma Elish about Absu, Tiamat and Marduk, that's the best and most authentic and most safe information you can get about Him.
Abbadon is one of Ancient Primordial Forces. His name comes from Sumerian Absu. His Power is way beyond that of mere Angels. But He isn't the One who can be easily contacted with. His name means Abyss. Trying to directly interact with Abyss is a sure recipe to madness. All people are scared of death. And Abyss is MUCH more frightening. He is at best mentioned in most of the texts without being given any means to contact Him, that's if to disregard all the modern books full of fantasies.
I can recommend reading Enuma Elish about Absu, Tiamat and Marduk, that's the best and most authentic and most safe information you can get about Him.
Abaddon sounds more like Marduk than Absu. They were both made in the heart of the abyss in the story.
Abaddon is called the adversary of the adversary in the book I'm reading. The same as Marduk but it would make sense to confuse them because its a confusing story and they are both Abyss like entities.
Is Abaddon an angel or a demon? I watched a TV show called Haunted Hotel and because there was a character called Abaddon it got me interested in learning about demonolgy.
In the show Abaddon is a demon but when I looked up Abaddon outside the show it also called him an angel. I heard in some traditions he's a demon and in others an angel?
Partly why I was also interested in the abyss as a concept. I explained away most magic I expierenced in dreams as just psychology and pyscho-analysis. After learning about it kind of is but there's more to it than that.
Abaddon is not an angel or a demon in the way popular culture presents it.
The confusion comes from mixing symbolic language, later theological interpretations, and modern fiction.
The name Abaddon comes from Hebrew and literally means destruction or place of ruin. In the earliest sources, it is not a personality. It is a state, function, or domain — similar to “the grave,” “the abyss,” or “dissolution.”
In the Book of Revelation, Abaddon (Apollyon in Greek) is described as the “angel of the abyss.” This does not mean a winged being with moral alignment. In ancient texts, angel simply means agent or functionary. It describes a role, not a character.
Later demonology reinterpreted this function as a demon, because medieval systems needed personalized entities to populate moral hierarchies. Modern media then exaggerates this further into a supernatural villain.
So what is Abaddon actually?
It represents a threshold process — the breaking down of form, identity, and structure. Not evil, not good. It is the principle of disintegration that precedes transformation.
This is why it’s associated with the abyss.
The abyss is not a place you go, and it is not inhabited by beings waiting to interact with you. It is a psychological and symbolic boundary where familiar structures of meaning collapse. When people approach it through imagination, ritual, or intense introspection, it can feel external and overwhelming.
Dreams, visions, and symbolic experiences around these themes are largely generated by the mind working with deep archetypal material. Calling them “just psychology” is incomplete — but calling them literal beings is also incorrect.
These symbols exist because the human mind uses imagery to process limits, loss of identity, and transformation.
The danger begins when symbols are treated as autonomous entities instead of maps of internal processes.
In short:
Abaddon is a symbol of dissolution, not a being with intent.
Angel and demon are later interpretive layers, not original meanings.
The abyss is a boundary of perception, not a supernatural realm.
Understanding the symbol dissolves the fear. Taking it literally creates unnecessary problems.
Hmm. If they are not a real entity? Why is it dangerous to treat one of the hierarchies as such? is it because you could eventually see this entity as a friend? Or foe? Or ??? Secret third option. Or a secret fourth option. I wonder how many secret options there are.
Could they be a frenemy? A friend+enemy. Or maybe a enemy+enemy an enemy^2. An enemy is default your friend because of (-)(-) = (+).
Or could they be square root of enemy which would lead to an imaginary number. So an imaginary enemy or just imagery entity number thing.
Because the square root of -1 = an imaginary number.
Is a friend the same thing as an ally. Ooo acquaintance. Is acquaintance like a 0 or a decimal number. Like that is 0.5 a friend to me. So I don't have one friend I have 0.5 friends.
What would be 0 then? Does 0 even exist? There was a big feud about this I think I read in history.
But I think we use 0 because so one person can say I personally have no apples. 0 apples. That doesn't mean there's no apples around but that person they don't have an apple.
Instead of doing math I do this. Anyway so like I got off topic but Abaddon is like I mean if thats how you want to practice go right ahead but me. I think in stories about characters in stories.
So I kind of have to see these entities as there own character for it to make sense to me.
