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it would not be difficult to exorcise an entire nation, however even though some nations like indonesia do blame the supernatural, with iran its the opposite case where they're being punished not by demons but by angels, given angels do complain about the religious and dont appreciate the threat they pose to those they protect. I've noticed some disasters caused by angels though some even viral pandemics.
Reading through the pages of comments though, the real cause of the issue is not the supernatural but human choices and behaviour. demons do not involve themselves in human politics, but humans wanting things would ask them for it for example. Healers i know in indonesia talk about how some groups with strong traditional occult practices and spirits they use do stuff and theres also talk of being victims.
To me supernatural issues are easy to solve even on the national or global level. The main question is, what does the human want to choose? do they want to cooperate and strive to better their world or are they striving for themselves over others? The supernatural does not simply act in place of humans, they have to be asked instead. So the main question should be on humans choosing evil as they are not influenced by demons to do so.
This is why i dont simply involve myself with indonesia. with south america like brazil, it is not influenced by the supernatural but human greed. Once an evil leader is in power, things fall apart. Yemen is an example with so many starving and using ideology to fight despite their situation.
The real devil here isnt the demons people think are getting involved but religion. To me if a religion tells you to submit to god, or that you are a slave to god or that you have to do anything for god, then thats not god but devil. The evidence is by concept. No one talks about how some countries fight ideological battles because of religion when it turns out their god(s) are devils. This involvement though is not as direct as people think and again its something humans choose to and indoctrinate others to rather than be influenced by the supernatural directly. There arent dreams or voices for people to do this.
I agree with you, I hate religion but love working with the books of Ogdoadic Magick Tradition which is Grecoegyptian Magick, and for example you speak of Angels punishing humans, yes I have heard of this from a trusted person I know, I am possessed by what I think is an Astral Parasite, and this person has told me that is not a Demon but could be an angry Angel, I used to be a bad person, and it sticked to me that possessions are not always from Demons, there are plenty of spirits out there that can fuck your life up.
And about what you said that what would humans choose, good or bad? after I was attacked with what I think could be witchcraft I choose Hermetic Magick of Light, now I try to protect myself and my loved ones with Divine Light of the Creator, because I know evil is very real, specially in this country, whe are spiraling out of control into severe violence and is unstopable.
Have you considered embracing the magical or spiritual traditions of your country? Utilizing and understanding them? Our ancestry can have an influence on us, whether we choose it or not, and part of understanding yourself (something magically important) is understanding where you came from. The energies outside of yourself that influence your personal makeup.
Case in point--that sounds a lot like Quetzalcoatl.
About the ancient Magick tradition of pre hispanic Mexico no, I am a white mexican, for example my grandfather was Catalan on my mothers side and my great grand mother on my dads side was jewish Sicilian, so I never saw myself as a mexican, I have double nationality, I have mexican and spanish citizenship, so I grew up seeing myself as Castizo, now that I work with Greek Qabbalah many things of our language have become more clear, our days of the week in spanish are just Roman Gods, and speaking of which we in Mexico have lots of Roman Gods statues everywhere, so I identify with that Magical Current, the more I study about it, the more I like.
At least in my understanding it is, because religion is set of rituals and traditions that are practiced among the people regardless of their spirituality, Spirituality is personal interaction and experience and life with spiritual worlds.
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I don't want to agree blindly with you. However you might see way more than I do and I don't see that much. But I do sense changes in what could be called timeline. Some power or powers do manipulate fate of humanity and they are not against us. I don't know more but I do sense this myself. Who or what these powers are I don't know.
Makes me think about prison planet theory again. Hate how it keeps making sense.
What you have in mind with Iran? I don't keep much in touch with the world events.
natural disasters, from minor earthquakes disrupting their centrifuge to major ones which pushed for riots.
As for the prison planet theory its only half wrong. Theres a reason for this which relates to human history and adam and eve but its not what religions say and humans didnt come from only 2 humans. What makes this world seem like a prison protects its inhabitants otherwise humans would've been wiped out long ago by others. At the same time humans are punished for the abuse of their power, something that i see often.
The changes you see, i know some angels humans dont know that can do high level things, from creation to fate. However that direction is more so on what the angel does or protects rather than for the sake of humans. When you compare the local deities or gods, they are no match and the difference is huge that not even the local gods can sense these angels. I mean one of them gave samael and a large goetia army a good defeat without using energy. They thought him vulnerable, as they couldnt feel his power and ended up losing badly even with weapons that could kill angels which is how samael fell, he killed his seraphim brethen.
I agree with you, I hate religion but love working with the books of Ogdoadic Magick Tradition which is Grecoegyptian Magick, and for example you speak of Angels punishing humans, yes I have heard of this from a trusted person I know, I am possessed by what I think is an Astral Parasite, and this person has told me that is not a Demon but could be an angry Angel, I used to be a bad person, and it sticked to me that possessions are not always from Demons, there are plenty of spirits out there that can fuck your life up.
And about what you said that what would humans choose, good or bad? after I was attacked with what I think could be witchcraft I choose Hermetic Magick of Light, now I try to protect myself and my loved ones with Divine Light of the Creator, because I know evil is very real, specially in this country, whe are spiraling out of control into severe violence and is unstopable.
About the ancient Magick tradition of pre hispanic Mexico no, I am a white mexican, for example my grandfather was Catalan on my mothers side and my great grand mother on my dads side was jewish Sicilian, so I never saw myself as a mexican, I have double nationality, I have mexican and spanish citizenship, so I grew up seeing myself as Castizo, now that I work with Greek Qabbalah many things of our language have become more clear, our days of the week in spanish are just Roman Gods, and speaking of which we in Mexico have lots of Roman Gods statues everywhere, so I identify with that Magical Current, the more I study about it, the more I like.
angels punish humans but not with parasitic ways. Angels use subtle ways because what i mentioned above the "prison" world protects humans against very powerful beings so angels cant simply come and do things as they like, but they are also not so rude as to use such methods either. Angels will move events and things to put you in the right place at the right time, so their way of punishing someone isnt to drain them, but to move things around their life.
It is important to understand that there are many pretenders to angels and there is a for sure way of verifying them here which is to ask them for a purification. Only few beings can do a purification but other than angels the rest arent nearby and will never be contactable or involved with humans, nor even if they did come across humans would do so as they're more likely to destroy humans instead. Purification requires a lot of power and can be thought as not only a removal of 3rd party influence but to restore to original condition. I've casted it before on someone as part of exorcising them and they mentioned it heals them (restore to original condition), gave them their strength back and weakend the invading parasite. I use this as a basis rather than banishing rituals as it is far more effective but is something humans, demons and more cannot cast because of its massive requirements of needing a lot of power. Angels have very pure energy, so pure that it feels like it would destroy anything it touches. If an angel were to directly act, than its really bad.
Humans are the ones that choose things, and it always comes with consequences. demons and angels do not dictate the direction of humans and it is humans that invokes beings (like with rituals). One example of this is prayer for something. For example for some years now billions of muslims pray for the destruction of israel or defeat of the jews, this did catch the attention of an angel that disposed of their deity making their prayers ineffective. Like with any regular being, humans can choose good or evil actions and what humans think as good or evil is often blurred. Many "good" people accuse other good people of being evil and instead do evil acts in the name of good. This is why i hate religion, it makes the situation worse. Aside from societal definitions good and evil here meaning harm to another both directly and indirectly.
With your practice, its not the same power angels use. Their "divine light" looks like a colourful light that is so pure it destroys everything it touches. Its also important to becareful because light is easily mistaken, as lucifer is well known to master light and use it to trick people making people think he is divine. There are actual occult tutorials and videos that teach angel magick with lucifer as the centerpoint but if you see and know more about angels you'd know how bs this is and why i hate the reddit angel practitioners subs. This is why it is very important to verify. With angels humans are lucky as there arent other beings around who can perform a purification so its easy to verify that way. Similarly if you want to confirm your god, they should be capable of this if they truely are above angels.
At least in my understanding it is, because religion is set of rituals and traditions that are practiced among the people regardless of their spirituality, Spirituality is personal interaction and experience and life with spiritual worlds.
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I don't want to agree blindly with you. However you might see way more than I do and I don't see that much. But I do sense changes in what could be called timeline. Some power or powers do manipulate fate of humanity and they are not against us. I don't know more but I do sense this myself. Who or what these powers are I don't know.
Makes me think about prison planet theory again. Hate how it keeps making sense.
What you have in mind with Iran? I don't keep much in touch with the world events.
The world, as it is, is obviously in a state of mass psychosis with immense disassociation from their shadow (personal and collective) hence the constant need for "us vs them" thinking. One who heals sees the code of the Matrix and, ironically, they'll call him "insane" which is telling because if "sane" is a place and you are "in" then its those without that have the problem, yes? Aha!
No, my friends. We must correct the lens through which we view this.
Demons are entities that possess a real existence, yet they remain hidden and imperceptible. They exist by an ancient Divine Promise granted to their Origin, the Great Accuser, when he demanded to test Adam and his lineage, claiming they were not superior to him.
The Face of the One God granted him this: that he may connect with humans through what we call The Companion (The Qareen).
1. The Mechanism of the Shadow Self (The Qareen): This Companion is your Satanic Imprint, residing in the Fallen Angle opposite to you. It interjects between you and your own thoughts. It does not speak with language, but rather, it perceives your psyche and your thought patterns perfectly. It inspires every path to deviation, but—and pay close attention—it tailors this to your specific whims and desires.
If a man is an alcoholic but detests sexual deviancy, the Entity will not suggest perversion initially. It will strengthen his need for wine, providing every justification to drink.
It continues until the soul reaches the stage of Unbridled Momentum (Jumuḥ), where the human desires to taste a new evil. Only then might it suggest the deviant act.
It does not care for you, nor for your pain, hunger, sickness, or sadness. In fact, the more you grieve, the more it manipulates you. This Satanic entity belongs to the World of Fire, and their Emperor is the one we call Iblis.
2. The Reality of the Mexican Tragedy: To the point raised about the violence: A gang that uses a specific type of sorcery to summon other entities thirsty for human blood... what do you think the result will be? The atrocities and massacres committed daily in our beloved Mexico are the direct result.
3. The Final Truth: My new friends across this giant platform, listen well: Demons and Magical Worlds are not a game or an anime.
There is not a single human being who possesses the raw energy or real power sufficient to deter a single entity created of Fire. We survive only due to the Calculations of a Wise and Merciful God and the Angels that guard us night and day.
If the Guardian Angels were to neglect us for a single hour, all of humanity would be annihilated by a single Demon.
I welcome all your inquiries on this matter. Let us exchange talk quietly and understand the danger we walk amongst."
I am going to cite from Josephine McCarthy´s book called "The Exorcist´s Handbook":
"So in all, the general types of demonic beings that tend to express in our world are:
1. Smaller human-connected ones that are trying to live a life on the ‘surface’ and live by means of feeding their conditionality usually through extremism of personality. 2. Medium-sized demonic beings that express in a single or small amount of humans through the build up and then execution of an act that will generate bigger amounts of power, such as mass murder, suicides, sex deaths, or other violent acts.
3. Large, deep, and ancient demonic beings that express through society, government, land mass, or large groups of people, and basically drive the lemmings over the cliff. They will manoeuvre a large amount of people to behave in an extreme way that will end in war, murder, or suicides. They are sometimes intent on creating an environment that will suitable for them to live in the human world indefinitely."
I am from Mexico and I think we suffer from a Demonic infestation as said in N. 3 from Mc Carthy´s book, our country is filled with mass murders, and women being raped and later being murdered, I will cite again from the book another important paragraph about demonic possessions:
"So a demonic possession is more likely to become involved in mass murder, destruction of a group, place, or structure, or major societal/cultural interference. Deeper demonic beings are seen very rarely but when they do emerge they are huge, they work through major power structures or land/weather patterns and tend to cause massive change in our cultures."
The notion of ''Demons'' is a false construct propagated by the Abrahamic Faiths, specifically the Catholic Church. If you look to before Christianity, you'd realize Demon, originally spelled Daemon, had a very different meaning.
I'll paste an excerpt from the following book, Demons of the Flesh: The Complete Guide to Left-Hand Path Sex Magic, which debunks this nonsensical notion of ''Demons'' as the Christians would have you believe.
The Daemonic We have already referred several times to the Daemonic, another word easily misinterpreted if taken at face value. One may understandably assume that we refer to the putative evil spirits or infernal beings that Christian theologians and traditional demonologists so often direct their fulminations against. Since this study scrupulously shuns the entire worldview implied by use of the simplistic good/evil dichotomy, and the authors don't accept the existence of evil as a force that exists outside of culturally determined value judgments nor the existence of an inferno populated with malign bat-winged entities, our reference to the Daemonic is something altogether on a different plane. Yet again, we return to the original source of the word in the Greek language, which offers a richer and thus more useful definition for the magician than the limiting Christianized definition. The word "Daemon", from the Greek daimon, originally carried no pejorative implication or connection with evil. It merely referred to a kind of protective spirit or demi-divinity thought to be associated with each individual. Deriving from daiomai or "I distribute", the daemon was considered as a literal distributor of fate. Daemon has also been defined as "replete with wisdom", and in this regard, the daemon was also deeply connected to the Roman concept of the genius, a god that presided over one's birth. Persons of remarkable talent or extraordinary accomplishment were considered to be guided by a Daemon or Genius, just as the concept of Genius loci is still used to describe the distinctive spirit of a specific place. Perhaps the most illustrious historical example of this is Socrates, who claimed that he heard the voice of a daemon, or genius, that guided his life. According to R.B. Onians, in his The Origins Of European Thought, the word "genius" was originally the Roman equivalent of the Greek psyche, described as "the life-spirit active in procreation, disassociated from and external to the conscious self that is centered in the chest." Significantly, for the most advanced stages of left-hand path initiation, the genius of an individual was believed to be a subtle element of the human being that could survive the death of his or her physical mechanism. The genius of the Romans, said to possess the procreative power of sexuality that survives death, has much in common with the ancient Egyptian khabit, or shadow, one of the eight powers that make up the human life-force. In his essay "Egyptian Anthropology", the magician Don Webb has described the shadow as being "of extreme importance" since "It is the source of one's power of mobility, and one's reproductive power. The shadow can be stolen when one sleeps, causing the object of the theft to die. Certain powerful sorcerers can detach their shadows and send them on missions of harm or espionage. The shadow follows the dead into the Tuat, thus assuring his or her mobility there." Of relevance to the sex magician is Webb's statement that the shadow held the sexuality of the being, and to the extent one's sexuality survived death it was through the shadow." Thus, the Demons Of The Flesh evoked in the title of this work are the unique and inimitable spiritual forces – the daemon, genius, shadow or psyche – connected with each self-realized sex magician of the left-hand path, the individual daemonic intelligences that can be best accessed through magical operations. Communication with these daemons – beings interpreted by some as manifestations of unknown aspects of "the higher sell", and by others as literal non-human entities – allows the magician to more completely control one's self-created destiny. The inner genius or daemon inhabiting the body was inextricably linked with an individual's luck in the world. In a slightly different sense, we use the Daemonic as a synonym for the spiritual and metaphysical realm of human consciousness, that realm where much of the magician's most enduring work is performed. It is in the Daemonic stratum of being that the magician encounters and interacts with the eternal and cosmic principles, transcending the transitory and strictly human-defined sphere of magical activity. One of these Daemonic eternal principles of particular bearing to the left-hand path sex magician is the Feminine Daemonic, the living essence of the dark feminine principle.
It's a shame occult and metaphysical discourse is dominated by Christian rhetoric. Really removes the nuance and leaves you with a simplistic, watered down view of reality. A false one at that.
You're right, these disincarnate formerly humans are definitely there, I'll just add few details:
1 - they have no physical body, nor a soul, it's just empty shell with semi life and barely any inteligence.
2 - They don't limit their attacks on Alcoholic or drug addicts. I'm neither and I was attacked by drug addict undead (I like to call them nosferatu, because they are just that - evil, undead, soulesa and they really stink, if you have the bad luck to smell them)
3 - banishing ritual is enough to get rid of them, in their starvation they will leave you alone at once and seek easier victim
How many of those are out there or how common they are I don't know.
Pew, the Latin American spiritual and societal makeup is a multidimensional topic that can only be viewed through the kaleidoscope that forms consciousness everywhere - basically the human condition - being chthonic and celestial at the same time. Being a nexus as a Human being that combines the earthly, that cultivates the 'ground' the physical for the spirits to reside in.
So all history and current state is a condition made up from all things that ever happened in the place at all times.
So I would approach this from the angles of sociology and history, folk magick (basically geomancy and the land, nature spirits and flora/fauna) and the 'de-mysticised' concepts of chaos magick that try to explain why magick works the way it works, Egregores, quantum physics or similar theories that try to uncover the connection between our consciousness and the forming of visible reality.
From the sociology and history side of things we already have a very multilayered topic here, almost every country has a very turbulent history of rulership and in modern times even more complicated dynamics. Life was brutal anywhere, especially before the cultivation of land - and of course with the cultivation of land other problems arose - suddenly some people had 'better soil' and the concept of ownership arose, with it the many smaller and bigger wars that were and are fought.
In the better known history of middle america we have the Olmec, Mayan, Aztec, Inka and many other neighboring empires and rulerships.
In sociology there is the concept of 'emergence' that a collective is greater than the sum of it's parts, sothe interactions of individuals can not be reduced to them alone, but to the greater societal structure. For example when a certain group of people meets up at a park bench every day - the group begins to change until all of it's members are different people in the end - but the place of the meeup stays the same, the bench.
Looking at it from the view of folk magick - the place collects meaning from all things that happened there, similar to a thoughtform that is fed.
I come from a country that has a history of countless wars and mass murder, also here the ideologies that justified the biggest organized mass murders in history (apart from maybe the pharma and food industry ones, but maybe even them grabbed this knowledge in operation paperclip, lol) - and it's shadow hovers of this place and sadly also it's future to this day. Narratives and beliefsystems ore the sharpest sword of all.
I found that quiet some of these movements, also the elitist underground ones in the beuatiful castles we have here are into the worship of the dark aspect of the sun, Sorath, the number 666 is attributed to him. The black sun wheel symbol is made of mirrored sig runes, symbolizing the dark aspect of the sun connected to raw military domination. Some even claim it was the patron spirit of Adolf.
The violence in Mexico is a collection of all things that went on and are going on. We have the current of ancient mesoamerican practice with a rather bloody way to approach things, today Santa Muerte is basically the patron saint, a syncretism from pre-colonial egregores and deities - in the case of Santa Muerte it's Mictecacihuatl, the Lady of the Dead, and the christian paradigm (that basically is pre-socialism/collectivism btw).
Of course Santa Muerte is charged with many things that have nothing to do with her true nature I would claim, it's basically a perverted version that the Narco Satanicos worship - It's way closer to other deities from the Aztec pantheon and became an egregore on it's own - the Caribbean and Middle American realm - also other parts of Latin America with Brazil being a huge collection of beliefs practices and cults - seem to always have had a strong connection to the physical - Like Voodoo, Umbanda, Kimbanda and Candomble, and of course the many shamanic practices that a very alive still to this day.
I would maybe describe the Narco Satanico form of Santa Muerte more of a syncretism of perverted forms of the worship of Huitzilopochtli, the god of war and the sun (certainly strongly perverted form, or only to the darker aspect, in western terms often described as Sorath, the dark aspect of the sun) maybe more so of Tezcatlipoca, the god of night, conflict, and fate and the worship of Tlaloc, the rain god, was another deity linked to blood sacrifice, specifically demanding the lives of children - in syncretism with a more sabbatean approach of abrahamic traditions - that also strive for power and transcendence through transgression of morality.
There are many currents at once that favor the violence, the anarchistic and totalitarian tendencies and fantasies of the most prolific or 'successful' Narcos, that often 'larp' european movements like National Socialist imagery (many of them have custom guns etc with either Nazi symbolism or Communist symbolism), that can mostly be tied to their self image of the currents of mass murder and raw militia power and both have a strong connection do dark sun imagery - the sun wheel swastika or the red star of communism.
So the strong currents monetary power, the many wars and revolutions and corruption and the collected energies of many many years meet the old bloodthirsty deites of old an human nature here...
And then the approach that always backfired as it's sabotaged from high places - the war on drugs began in the 90s.
Would also be interesting to think about the meaning of the driving force of the Coca business - the plant powers that create addiction - and the entities that could be tied to the energy of insatiable desire, like in the vedic pantheon the deity of Sun-Eclipses Rahu, the north node of the moon - that was formerly a dragon with it's tail that is now Ketu, the south node of the moon.
Right as Rahu managed to drink from the cup of immortality, the divine nectar 'Amrita', his head was chopped off by Vishnu before he could swallow it. Hence his head stayed immortal in his severed form - the perfect symbol for insatiable thirst and obsession, which is attributed to his influence in vedic astrology.
Many of the Sicarios that are actually performing the most of the atrocities in Mexico are in some form or another constantly high or on 'spirits', further making the point in direction of 'being an easier target' for the lower and really dark entities - or are even just in a similar death ecstasy rush like the radical circles of black cube orbiters that also act on these 'death and humiliation of others bring me divine glory and women in the afterlife' mania like trancelike states - truly reptilian brain predatorial stuff - also tied to the 'reptilian realm' of Nagas that inhabit the lowest of the hellish realms in the vedic pantheon.
I guess I just touched some surfaces here and there, but there is certainly more to the extreme violence of the Narco Satanicos than just 'Santa Muerte' - they are deep into that which is often the fabric of which all the SRA stories around the world are spun. I mean they really go far - they sometimes kill someone and bring him back with a defibrillator to kill him again.
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Also I wanted to add - It's maybe less about 'good or evil' entities and more about the stage of initiation into certain cults.
Gnostic and pagan perspectives often describe the gods of abrahamic traditions as 'the real devil'.
Another thing that came to my mind is that maybe in Mexico and other places the 'old techniques of rulership' are still applied openly - meaning ruling through trauma and fear, making people more easily manipulated and steered by triggers. For example the usage of public executions had many applications at once, trauma, bonding, attraction of people that want to be executive etc.
In the 'first world' this was just relocated from the light into the shadows and into more subtle forms of control through fear because of it's tighter execution of laws and earlier outlawing of certain practices.
