Do you believe in karma?

[Aau6x]

Not really the biggest believer in this topic but a at a certain point I was convinced cause things just kept happening to me
Specially after messing around with what people would call black magic
What do you think?

 

[OberonFromTheHills]

By dint of being an asshole, someday someone beats you at it.

That is the only karma i believe in.

 

[QuietStorm@7]

Nope... these Epstein billionaire friends and clients prove something is missing or it's completely wrong and wishful thinking. How can your fate in this life be insanely rich as a 1 percentile, allowing you to indulge in depravity without consequences.

 

[Floonth1]

Not really the biggest believer in this topic but a at a certain point I was convinced cause things just kept happening to me
Specially after messing around with what people would call black magic
What do you think?

No, I think that karma must be actively enacted

 

[StandingByGodot]

Do you believe in karma?

That depends of how you define the term, honestly. I do think that intent never goes unnoticed because it's an impersonal thing.

 

[iseht]

Karma must be the most misunderstood term in the esoteric world. Its not some balancing force or source of cosmic justice, it's the principle of cause and effect and nothing more. Your actions are preceded by your thoughts, one thought is preceded by a prior event, and so on and so on, all of this extrapolated out into an infinitely complex web of cause and effect that propels the unenlightened mind through pure inertia.

 

[WordCraft666]

Not at all.

Satan is a physical mindset: call him a "snotty face", and he breaks your back in 3 places.

Until the world has balance, the karma police will always beat the innocent until their "lights" (joy) are knocked-out.

My dad stepped on me like a doormat; my older step brother beat me day and night. When I fought back I was beat even harder.

I developed stockholm.

This led to add (as kid) and schiz (as adult). I did not wake up until Feb 2025.

Total infrigment of my personal rights. F*ck America

 

[beardedeldridge]

Like tends to attract like. Which sometimes comes out looking like karma-ish (at least the western new age misunderstanding of it) results.

- Eld

 

[Beyond Everything]

Its not some balancing force or source of cosmic justice, it's the principle of cause and effect and nothing more

Yet in Hinduism and Buddhism it isn't really taught as just cause and effect. There are all sorts of normative biases built into it. As an example, causing dissension in the sangha can lead one into the lowest hell in Buddhism lol Convenient

Sometimes you get a bolt out of the blue, and it just upends any notion of cause and effect as your biological and social conditioning conceive them. The universe is created out of pure magic, not some impersonal bean counter principle of karmic arithmetic.

There are energetic patterns, subconscious blocks, all sorts of things that may appear to be karma at work in one's existence. Some of the schemas to diminish or dissolve or redirect karma have some results because they can affect some of that.

 

[iseht]

Yet in Hinduism and Buddhism it isn't really taught as just cause and effect. There are all sorts of normative biases built into it. As an example, causing dissension in the sangha can lead one into the lowest hell in Buddhism lol Convenient

That's still cause and effect though. The Buddhist hells are not divinely appropriated, we lead ourselves to them. Lets look at one who might cause dissent in the sangha. They begin with an impure thought born of anger, they make the misguided judgement to share that thought, to sow discord for their own self gain. The act of sharing that thought makes an impression on those who hear it, those hearing might be affected and anger may arise, this whole thing reverberates and can seem to take on a life of its own, but it is still not much more than ripples in the water cast by the initial impure thought.

The Buddha really hammers this home throughout the Pali cannon. From the opening of the Dhammapadda, "If with an impure mind a person speaks or acts suffering follows him like the wheel that follows the foot of the ox."

From the Cula-kammavibhanga Sutta, "beings are owners of kammas, heirs of kammas, they have kammas as their progenitor, kammas as their kin, kammas as their homing-place. It is kammas that differentiate beings according to inferiority and superiority." ...
"Here, student, some woman or man is a killer of living beings, murderous, bloody-handed, given to blows and violence, merciless to living beings. Due to having performed and completed such kammas, on the dissolution of the body, after death, he reappears in a state of deprivation, in an unhappy destination, in perdition, in hell. If, on the dissolution of the body, after death, instead of his reappearing in a state of deprivation, in an unhappy destination, in perdition, in hell, he comes to the human state, he is short-lived wherever he is reborn. This is the way that leads to short life, that is to say, to be a killer of living beings, murderous, bloody-handed, given to blows and violence, merciless to living beings."

There is the belief that actions have lasting implications beyond death and this directly ties to Buddhist rebirth mechanics, but it is all still fundamentally cause and effect in action. One only needs to look as far back as the last time another made us angry and we lashed out, or something similar, to see kamma in action in our own lives.

 

[Beyond Everything]

That's still cause and effect though. The Buddhist hells are not divinely appropriated, we lead ourselves to them. Lets look at one who might cause dissent in the sangha. They begin with an impure thought born of anger, they make the misguided judgement to share that thought, to sow discord for their own self gain. The act of sharing that thought makes an impression on those who hear it, those hearing might be affected and anger may arise, this whole thing reverberates and can seem to take on a life of its own, but it is still not much more than ripples in the water cast by the initial impure thought.

It's nonsense, and an obvious dogma to protect a human institution. Why would someone go to the lowest hell and be stuck there for an entire aeon for not following a human created rule?

These Buddhist hells are fairy tales anyway.

The Buddha really hammers this home throughout the Pali cannon. From the opening of the Dhammapadda, "If with an impure mind a person speaks or acts suffering follows him like the wheel that follows the foot of the ox."

It should be pointed out the Pali canon was written hundreds of years after Buddha is alleged to have lived. Before we start speaking in religious dogma terms.

This obsession with a simple biological emotion (anger) is really obsessively dumb. What determines one's fate after death is the state of their subtle bodies, whether they are developed or not. NOT whether one was nice or mean or divisive or angry at times in life. That's grade school theology.

 

[Durward]

Well, there is the simple rule that nothing is free, everything costs something, even all the magic people try to learn or use here, has a cost.

I hope there is karma. Mostly when some criminal really deserves to have a long and horrible punishment that lasts more than one lifetime.
When somebody says something rude or cruel, and then trips and face plants, I do call that immediate karma and laugh at them.

So, it is a mixed thing with me. I would like for it to be true, mainly so I can witness some real assholes getting what they deserve. I have that edge of Loki and mischief that has a bit of Schadenfreude happening.

As far as it being some rule, and spiritual, and deciding how and when you are incarnated and as what, they should stop smoking so much opium and get a life, too farfetched and complicated to actually make sense or be real.

 

[Ohana]

I also do not like treating the neutral emotion of anger as purely impure. People feel anger for a reason. Sometimes that reason is because people are being cruel to you the individual.

You react with energy and want that person to stop. If someone attacks you is it inherently moral to get mad then dodge and react with energy. Not really. Did no harm to them and protected yourself. In fact that what's some Martial Arts forms are about. Trying to get out of a dangerous situation you did not start.

In fact in Hinduism destruction is one of the natural forces. Shiva is a destroyer force. Agni the fire deity is venerated. Kali is the fierce protective mother figure that is angry but still venerated and respected.

Is it wrong for a mother bear to fiercely and angerily protect her cubs from danger?

In fact I'm being general here and this is from wikipedia but Native Americans from the Americas I heard would set up controlled forest fires to help clear the area and make the landscape beautiful. Then guess who showed up and stopped those practices and now look at the landscape.

It was controlled though and made to be safe but it seems American culture now is about holding everything in. Holding your breath is now moral. Saying nothing a good thing.

But is it?

I bet some people knew about the files that were recently released and didn't participate in it but said nothing. And look how far it got.

Holding your breath is sometimes good like when someone calls you a something juvenile in public. But its not inherently moral or good. You breathe in the out.

I believe Karma is the result of consequences of ones actions but its more complicated than people lead on.

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Here's what I think Karma becomes for people. People make a society built on not helping one another. Built on completely toughing it out. Learning on your own. Becoming a self starter.

Then when they need help nothing is offered because this society is built on never accepting help. When they absolutely truly need it. None is offered.

Karma.

 

[Asteriskos]

Karma must be the most misunderstood term in the esoteric world. Its not some balancing force or source of cosmic justice, it's the principle of cause and effect and nothing more. Your actions are preceded by your thoughts, one thought is preceded by a prior event, and so on and so on, all of this extrapolated out into an infinitely complex web of cause and effect that propels the unenlightened mind through pure inertia.

Got to say... Well said!

 

[Suayakoat]

Karma is nothing but the effect of said cause. Said cause can be anything in existence. That is how far karma spreads.

I personally believe in one simple principle: Each and every action you take echoes through Infinity. That echo causes other echoes to appear that then come back to you (in one way or another). It's these echoes coming back to you that the people with the necessary senses for perceiving them then call karma. This how reality functions. But the thing is that unless you are the Creator of this Universe you could never ever trace all the echoes of all of your actions. You can be mindful of your actions but you simply will never know what will return back to you eventually. And no one but the Creator can know.

So, karma is indeed...a bitch. You can never know her, but she would always return to you whatever you deserve, to the most minuscule detail. That is why the only option you have is to put in exactly what you want returned to you. Constantly. Relentlessly. Impeccably. Or you may play dumb to all of this and just suffer the consequences.

It's ultimately your choice.

 

[Asteriskos]

The "Web of Wyrd" is full of causes and their effects!

 

[Firetree]

Not really the biggest believer in this topic but a at a certain point I was convinced cause things just kept happening to me
Specially after messing around with what people would call black magic
What do you think?

It exists most certainly but not in the weird form modern teachings / misinterpretation purport .

Basically, you do shit , shit comes back and bites your arse ..... you piss in your water ... you get pissy water .

NOT .... I pissed in your water and you got pissy water ... so somehow you must have deserved that .