Dreams of Goetic Spirits During My Studies — How Should I Proceed Safely?

[claywas]

Hello,

I am here to find answers to some things that have been confusing me for a while.

First, during my tarot training, when we came to the Death card, I noticed that another name for the card is Nun, and then I realized that Nun is also mentioned as another name associated with Valac. After that, even though I previously had no connection with it, I suddenly became very interested in the Ars Goetia book.

Then, despite never having heard the name before, I saw Belial in my dream. He asked me for obedience and respect. I refused him.
The person who gives us training later told me that both of my reactions in the dream were very positive. However, even though I asked for more details, they did not explain further.

After some time passed, I had another dream where I saw myself drawing the sigil of Orobas with white sand.

In the most recent dream I remember repeating the name King Paimon many times.

I have never had any evocation or invocation experience before. However, I do have several sources, and I am trying to read and understand them carefully. In addition, every day I practice LBRP, LBRH, and the Middle Pillar exercise. (Someone once told me that these practices are completely just for show.)

At the point where I currently stand, what kind of path should I follow?
Or how should I interpret these experiences I have been having?
And what would be the safest approach if one wanted to perform an evocation?

Thank you all in advance.
Kind regards.

 

[Diazin]

Evocation is the last thing you want to try if you are not a experient practioner. First because without the necessary willpower you will probably get nothing to happen at all in the best case scenario, and in the worst you may end up drawing attention of malicious spirits that may see you as a prey, and they can act in very subtle ways to mess with you, you'd never suspect. Evocation is an art of violence and cohersion. Its basically aligning the spirit to recognize the divinity in you, and making him obedient through that divinity. The Lemegeton is a complete system in its own regard, divided in five steps where the Ars Goetia is the last one in the ladder. You start by finding your connection to the divine by practicing the Ars Notoria, where one is expected to have his intellect and soul illuminated, and then progress down on dealing with God's creatures through the other four books, the Ars Almadel for the genii of the degrees of zodiac, the Ars Paulina for how their influences are distributed through the hours of the day and night, Theurgia-Goetia (here is where evil spirits begin to appear) for the genii working on the four winds and last the Ars Goetia for dealing with the spirits that are out of the Grace of God, whose reason for their disgrace is attributed to their pride. And while some of those spirits are fairly approachable like Orobas, some are very complicated, to say the least, like Asmoday.

If you want to play safe here, drop the intent to try to evoke those beings for now. Instead, approach the forces you recognize as benefical to you and ask for clarification on what is happening.

 

[Tehuti]

Hello,

I am here to find answers to some things that have been confusing me for a while.

First, during my tarot training, when we came to the Death card, I noticed that another name for the card is Nun, and then I realized that Nun is also mentioned as another name associated with Valac. After that, even though I previously had no connection with it, I suddenly became very interested in the Ars Goetia book.

Then, despite never having heard the name before, I saw Belial in my dream. He asked me for obedience and respect. I refused him.
The person who gives us training later told me that both of my reactions in the dream were very positive. However, even though I asked for more details, they did not explain further.

After some time passed, I had another dream where I saw myself drawing the sigil of Orobas with white sand.

In the most recent dream I remember repeating the name King Paimon many times.

I have never had any evocation or invocation experience before. However, I do have several sources, and I am trying to read and understand them carefully. In addition, every day I practice LBRP, LBRH, and the Middle Pillar exercise. (Someone once told me that these practices are completely just for show.)

At the point where I currently stand, what kind of path should I follow?
Or how should I interpret these experiences I have been having?
And what would be the safest approach if one wanted to perform an evocation?

Thank you all in advance.
Kind regards.

Prince Orobas from personal experience is a cool spirit to work as a beginner, his patience and very truthful to practioner when approach respectful. I have a simple and effective way I mostly approach demons. Firstly see demons as guides and approach them more as a student to a teacher method. 1. Draw the sigil of Prince Orobas yourself whiles playing is mantra and repeating it, add your name and date of birth behind it and your intention, like for example to learn or you want an introduction.
2 . Prepare a blessed water by adding Vinegar or Florida water to a glass of water.
3. Place a sigil in it and chant His mantra on in the glass with the blessed water, keep it for three days around your bed , in each night you can chant his mantra and on the third day add the mixture to your water and rinse yourself as a form of ritual bath with it.
4. I can assure your before the third day he may appear to yiu in a dream to communicate with you. This method can use to establish communication with most goetic Demons

 

[A.A.S.B]

Hello,

I am here to find answers to some things that have been confusing me for a while.

First, during my tarot training, when we came to the Death card, I noticed that another name for the card is Nun, and then I realized that Nun is also mentioned as another name associated with Valac. After that, even though I previously had no connection with it, I suddenly became very interested in the Ars Goetia book.

Then, despite never having heard the name before, I saw Belial in my dream. He asked me for obedience and respect. I refused him.
The person who gives us training later told me that both of my reactions in the dream were very positive. However, even though I asked for more details, they did not explain further.

After some time passed, I had another dream where I saw myself drawing the sigil of Orobas with white sand.

In the most recent dream I remember repeating the name King Paimon many times.

I have never had any evocation or invocation experience before. However, I do have several sources, and I am trying to read and understand them carefully. In addition, every day I practice LBRP, LBRH, and the Middle Pillar exercise. (Someone once told me that these practices are completely just for show.)

At the point where I currently stand, what kind of path should I follow?
Or how should I interpret these experiences I have been having?
And what would be the safest approach if one wanted to perform an evocation?

Thank you all in advance.
Kind regards.

The answer will depend on your particular path.
I would recommend making yourself reasonably familiar with Jake stratton kents work.
Would not recommend that you go down the skinner recommend old school coercion way if you still feel the need to ask this question, that may not be suitable for you right now.
Also check out Frater Achers essays on the subject available on his website for free.

 

[Amadeus]

I started with LBRP, LIRP, MP and tons of psalms. Something similar happened.

The first time I picked up the Lemegeton some of them came right away into my dreams. This happened a long time ago and I can't remember who was the first one. Possibly Vassago or Orobas, then Sallos, Marbas, Andromalius, a few more.
I didn't know grimoires could work that easily. The problem was that I didn't understand much and some of the cases led to "corruption of the mind". They came, spoke, and sometimes something happened right away, random requests got granted. The corruption, thoughts came and something attempted to manipulate, extreme aggression as well. I remember how I felt the spirit around and then once I recognized it, there was a feeling of something departing. Sensation of something moving away.

One case happened after reading about Belial. I saw a hallway, some throne room and floating sigil like discs in the air left and right.

The rituals you mentioned, LBRP, MP, they are good and many start from them. Middle pillar works great as a mantra, chanted over and over again. It opens your connections, makes you sensitive.