Fixation on the result

[lolipoptip]

Good afternoon, everyone.
I still have little experience and I faced a problem when after the ritual I look forward to the result. I am very emotionally excited, being in anticipation of when I will get the result of the ritual. I worry, I start to worry "will it work", there are obsessive thoughts "well, when will it work, will it work"? I double-check on the cards, in general, my own work is reduced to nothing. How to disconnect from this state and having done the ritual, just forget about it.

 

[IllusiveOwl]

Meditation. You need to discipline your mind.

 

[Baranova Alya]

Magic is based on the certainty in the inevitability of the realization of what is intended. Excessive importance always indicates insecurity.
Uncertainty and fear are the best way to nullify anything. Every time we think about a ritual we do not let it unfold, we do not let it work, we leave it in our field. You want things to unfold as well as possible reduce the importance, take your attention away from it. Try meditations, and if you can't get it out of your head, at least think about the ritual as if it had already happened, in a positive way. Play out the situation as if it had already happened.

 

[Lurker]

Forget about the magick by focusing on doing the mundane work you need to do for whatever you cast for to occur. Tell yourself you are putting in so much mundane work to achieve your goal that you don't need the magick, but you'll be grateful if it helps - then do exactly that.

 

[beardedeldridge]

One of the biggest impediments to a practitioner. How do you get what you really really want without letting your want drive obsessive thoughts that will inevitably generate doubt that can put that very desired result in danger.

Wanting to play with those concepts is one of the reasons I originally started messing around with Chaos Magick and Hypnosis. Firing off a sigil/spell/prayer and then being able to forget about it, thereby getting out of your own way.

While I usually say you need to work toward verifiable results (learning something you had no way of knowing, creating a physical change, or consistently causing unlikely results) with good record keeping, to help ground yourself in reality vs make believe (I know there’s a bit of a weird-fuzzy-fine line there). Letting yourself get a little lost in trance work/dream work/spirit work/obe/third eye sight etc… can help you learn to take a step outside of your body-centric-focused-view which is everyone’s pre-set viewpoint and gain a more objective view of things. You learn that most of what you HAD to have before, actually isn’t that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. Gaining that perspective allows you to take a step back and view situations as if they were happening to someone you are just sorta familiar with vs yourself.

(And as a side note that can be a hugely helpful skill in life period. Most of our problems are due to the emotional based decision making that we all prefer to do. See product marketing & political campaigns for examples.)

Then the trick becomes finding that Goldilocks zone between the two. (I’m not a fan of total detachment and view it as more a trap then anything but that’s a rant for another time.)

-Eld

 

[lolipoptip]

I sincerely thank each of you for your help and such thorough responses. I really have a lot to work on and now, thanks to you, I have a clear understanding of how to work with it. I'm just now starting to try meditations and mantras

 

[demoneater404]

One of the biggest impediments to a practitioner. How do you get what you really really want without letting your want drive obsessive thoughts that will inevitably generate doubt that can put that very desired result in danger.

Wanting to play with those concepts is one of the reasons I originally started messing around with Chaos Magick and Hypnosis. Firing off a sigil/spell/prayer and then being able to forget about it, thereby getting out of your own way.

While I usually say you need to work toward verifiable results (learning something you had no way of knowing, creating a physical change, or consistently causing unlikely results) with good record keeping, to help ground yourself in reality vs make believe (I know there’s a bit of a weird-fuzzy-fine line there). Letting yourself get a little lost in trance work/dream work/spirit work/obe/third eye sight etc… can help you learn to take a step outside of your body-centric-focused-view which is everyone’s pre-set viewpoint and gain a more objective view of things. You learn that most of what you HAD to have before, actually isn’t that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. Gaining that perspective allows you to take a step back and view situations as if they were happening to someone you are just sorta familiar with vs yourself.

(And as a side note that can be a hugely helpful skill in life period. Most of our problems are due to the emotional based decision making that we all prefer to do. See product marketing & political campaigns for examples.)

Then the trick becomes finding that Goldilocks zone between the two. (I’m not a fan of total detachment and view it as more a trap then anything but that’s a rant for another time.)

-Eld

I just made an account to tell you i've been finding the exact same thing. True detachment i believe is a path to the death of the self, and unless that is your explicit goal, then... do whatever. It is a more buddhist perspective. Lots of insight here.

Apart from this kind of programming, how do you get into the mindset of "instant" magic? I want to hear about this kind of stuff.

 

[beardedeldridge]

I just made an account to tell you i've been finding the exact same thing. True detachment i believe is a path to the death of the self, and unless that is your explicit goal, then... do whatever. It is a more buddhist perspective. Lots of insight here.

Apart from this kind of programming, how do you get into the mindset of "instant" magic? I want to hear about this kind of stuff.

First welcome to the forum!

Second we maybe getting a little outside of the topic of the OP and you may have to explain what you mean by instant magic (I’m assuming immediate results).

Currently installing shelves but I think there was a recent thread on this topic. I don't think I posted on it but the topic sounds familiar. If you can’t find anything let me know and I’ll take a stab at it.

-Eld

 

[demoneater404]

First welcome to the forum!

Second we maybe getting a little outside of the topic of the OP and you may have to explain what you mean by instant magic (I’m assuming immediate results).

Currently installing shelves but I think there was a recent thread on this topic. I don't think I posted on it but the topic sounds familiar. If you can’t find anything let me know and I’ll take a stab at it.

-Eld

I didn't make myself clear. Considering you "detach" by programming your mind to not respond to emotional responses, how do you detach in "faster" magic, yourself? If it is a trap, then i would like to hear, in faster/more spontaneous magic, how do you avoid the problem OP is having?

And yes, thank you.

 

[beardedeldridge]

I didn't make myself clear. Considering you "detach" by programming your mind to not respond to emotional responses, how do you detach in "faster" magic, yourself? If it is a trap, then i would like to hear, in faster/more spontaneous magic, how do you avoid the problem OP is having?

And yes, thank you.

For me I set up a preprogrammed response to a certain verbal & touch based cue.

Essentially once you can get yourself into what I consider a mid level trance state, you then setup a key word and a sensation that your mind comes to associate with that state. (eg Tapping a certain place on your left arm with two fingers while saying a certain word.). With practice you can learn to drop down into that level of trance quickly whenever needed. I’ve done it while stepping into a restroom, on an airplane, or even in a crowded room if no one is paying much attention to you at the moment. That’s one of my primary ways of working magick on the fly.

Just to be clear detachment is really only a trap when it’s the end-all/only goal you’re after. It’s a tool/tech use it accordingly.

-Eld

 

[NightWatchman95]

its a weird tightrope walk indeed. how do you build enough confidence in your practice without becoming reckless or delusional? some days i wonder if there is any good rule of thumb for what experience is genuine and earned an which is just a trick of the mind...

something tells me its more than just mindfulness meditation that will give me a good answer, especially when they love to blame your ego for "blocking the energy" or whatver repackaged original sin crap they throw at me when their methods don't really work.

critical thinking is better than mindfulness by a longshot. because there are some judgements that we HAVE to make if we are to behave ethically in the world.

 

[r2magooo]

Good afternoon, everyone.
I still have little experience and I faced a problem when after the ritual I look forward to the result. I am very emotionally excited, being in anticipation of when I will get the result of the ritual. I worry, I start to worry "will it work", there are obsessive thoughts "well, when will it work, will it work"? I double-check on the cards, in general, my own work is reduced to nothing. How to disconnect from this state and having done the ritual, just forget about it.

The ending of a typical ritual includes "something akin to the dismissal of the ritual activities and the goal from conscious attention" ,

Which is a test of sorts.

yes a test.

Consider that in the ritual you are in a particular state of focus directed by ritual elements.

My background is mostly in trance work / auto suggestion and a lot of ritual descriptions are similar to a lot of hypnosis / trance work scripts

The hallmark of a lot of trance work is the "not being able to remember in detail the trance experience' , this can be explicitly described , or it can also be a marker of "trance involvement (not necessarily depth of trance).

And using this as a frame of reference , the end of a ritual and the putting out of mind the ritual , the goals , is a measure of ritual involvement.

So if you find yourself dwelling on , "is it working yet" , maybe your involvement / conscious focus in the ritual itself needs some tweaking / adjustment

In terms of self hypnosis / trance work , spending time dwelling on "am I in trance" has to be eliminated , and when it is , the results of trance work are vastly improved.

The test of self hypnosis for specific goals is as simple as noticing changes .. after they have happened.

And that type of effect can be added into a hypnosis script , usually at the start .

Perhaps when you engage in a ritual , pre frame it in terms of doing it with increasing conscious focus each time.

And then have a "distracting" activity to do at the end of the ritual that requires an equal conscious focus with entirely different content.

And then wait to notice .. results will become obvious ..

 

[HoldAll]

I've found it best to cultivate an attitude of "It's being taken care of. It's in the works", which is hard when you're new to magic and excited about the seemingly endless possibilities it offers. Over time, however, the novelty of performing a magical ritual will wear off, the beginner's excitement will subside, giving way to a more sober and craftsman-like state of mind. It helps to have a daily practice in place, e.g. doing the LBRP, the Reclaiming Rite, the

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or other generally empowering occult exercises (grounding, working with the elements, etc.) so that magical rituals become routine instead of exceptional occurences leaving you with feverish anticipation and possibly angst-ridden fear of failure.

From a purely 'technical' point of view, I think one needs to separate desire from ritual. Desires don't go away so easily, the specific desire that motivated you to perform a given ritual in the first place will still be there, and trying to suppress it is a hopeless task. So I'd say it's ok to be still excited about the thing you want or the problem you want solved, just avoid connecting the wished-for outcome with the ritual you just performed. "It's being taken care of. It's in the works. I can rest easy now. What a relief! Now back to my daily practice, next ritual." Gather general magical experience to take your mind off such isolated needs-based operations, that's my advice.