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I read into Neuro Linguistic Programming years ago and forgot most - are you familiar with the topic?
Yeah, a bit. I haven't used it a lot, but I need to refresh the early stuff I did with it. It's got possibilities.
 

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Some really interesting things on this ancient site

Just today wrote with a musician friend about the devils chord or interval and binaural sounds that create the illusion of notes in the brain through feedback loops. And now I saw the first link of your shared site is about creating 'Audio Sigils' 👻
 

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Some really interesting things on this ancient site
Chaos Matrix is highly under rated, just because it's Old doesn't mean it isn't of value, I likely have most of it in my personal stash just in case the "net" goes into the "ether" which is not impossible! :ROFLMAO:
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Chaos Matrix is highly under rated, just because it's Old doesn't mean it isn't of value, I likely have most of it in my personal stash just in case the "net" goes into the "ether" which is not impossible! :ROFLMAO:
There are great utilities on nix like "wget" and others that can grab an entire website down to the bottom levels in a flash with my "fat pipe" fiber connection, especially one's with mostly text content like Chaos Matrix. Great for archiving Magick Materials.
 
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Chaos Matrix is highly under rated, just because it's Old doesn't mean it isn't of value, I likely have most of it in my personal stash just in case the "net" goes into the "ether" which is not impossible! :ROFLMAO:
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There are great utilities on nix like "wget" and others that can grab an entire website down to the bottom levels in a flash with my "fat pipe" fiber connection, especially one's with mostly text content like Chaos Matrix. Great for archiving Magick Materials.

Entering very sleepy mode : When I'm close to being religious about something it's Unix. But i did not grow up with it and am no power user [yet].

O i appreciate the old web, love it, and most info we rely on is ancient, even as a kid i was into ancient civilizations.
And how old is the water we drink hahah? Name me the years this water is old old friend.
 

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Chaos Matrix is the only site I've tried to actually preserve any of the content though, the content is that Good IMO. I often recommend a link to something there for folks that I think will help somehow. I guess I know the layout now pretty well. It's helped quite a few folks over quite a while.
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I'm going to parse your post back there, lot of thoughts. Thanks for jumping into the thread! :cool:
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So with techniques i mean all stuff Vajrayana Buddhism, Yoga, Tantra, Qi Gong (Fu) - which is in part also incorporated into modern western magickal systems already, golden dawn you name it - but still, have you tried to achieve a Khechari Mudra to suck on the glands beneath your brain to get high off your own supply while almost suffocating on your tongue? So what are you waiting for?
Nope, I might think about this some more though? I make no distinction between martial arts and magic/k, especially the so-called internal or soft styles. I have some experience with Chinese/American Kenpo popularized by Ed Parker in Hawaii and California. The entire schema of integrating Eastern systems into the WMT resonates differently with different practitioners, you "pay your nickel and take your chance", some of it works for me.

Miracle of new avatar power
This book has been mentioned around here in various places. You packed a lot into that post! I'll unpack some more over time, if someone else doesn't do it first!
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But seriously, there are so man things we could, maybe should incorporate and try, even though we should eliminate the words 'should' and 'try' from our vocabulary to manifest better. :ROFLMAO:
Yep, Try Not, Do!

The edgy artist and cultural engineer Genesis P. Orridge, voluntarily living in the commune for a few years where not even his clothes are his own and he has to come up with a new identity and story every day as a rule.
Yeah, he got to know William Burroughs and did lots of original stuff!

Another thing i wanted to say is - tech is somehow key (and therefore open source) - the 'Uranian principle' I would call it - Innovation & keeping up the spirit of experimentation are vital and becoming even more important for chaos magick. (Imagine sound of lightning strike)

Some interesting projects that cam to my mind are DMTx - they are extending the DMT breakthrough state to 'find out what the entities that always disappear before they want to explain something important to the human visitor' want to teach us.
These types research and incorporating stuff into the overall corpus from various Chaos groups and individuals (like Gordon White's Shoaling technique) keep things going forward!

And some non invasive Brain Computer Interface innovations that want to help induce certain states via frequencies, or so create lucid dreams artificially. I also find it vital to push the Bene Gesserit spirit - to not become avatars that are remote controlled by the AI Hivemind, but rather experimenting in such a way that we understand and improve the possibility we have to make seeeerious progress.
Agree with what you say here. Sound (Sonics) is underrated/appreciated in many ways. I've used various different frequency binaural beat sound files to good effect for several different things like relaxation, concentration and yes, meditation too, all with good results. Also "Sonics" can make or break a successful Invocation depending upon it's content.

We are thinking to small!
Yes, I have to agree. Thinking Large takes vision, courage and work, not everyone will get off their ass and supply those.

All good points, chime in here Chaos people this thread has Lots of room to Grow!
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How many of you fell that you've completed
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successfully? Do you agree that it's effective as a foundational program to enable a level of magical ability? Any other thoughts?
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How many of you feel that you've completed
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The Liber MMM Neophyte syllabus will have set us up for the two syllabi or syllabuses of the Initiate level, that is the White and Black sides of the magical coin. Things start to get real interesting at this level so there may be some interesting commentary forthcoming?
 
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For a foundational reference, I need to shout my love for Phil Hine's "Prime Chaos". Liber Null & Psychonaut got the ball rolling for Chaos Magick, but it references a lot of occult elements where, if you're new to Magic, is going to be intimidating and possibly shut down before you even really start. Prime Chaos is a book focusing on being relatable and patient to get the points across. Two thumbs up.
 

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Also, i sometimes think it's 'a bit strange' that the topic of multiple personality disorders and so on is kept a sort of fringe topic, I guess the most can imagine why, but it could very well be our subconscious is way better understood scientifically than we know.

Understanding the workings of it better would kind of be a holy grail for chaos magick.
Nobody understands scientifically how a single person works, let alone many :) Maybe it might shed some light, in the way that you find out more about a thing when that thing 'goes wrong'.

The more I read and find out, the more convinced I'm becoming that when we talk about 'the subconscious' what we are really talking about is the right side of the brain, the one that can't usually talk :)

A book I'm recommending now about this is Iain MacGilchrist's "The Master and his Emissary", about how the two halves of the brain are supposed to work together, but Western civilisation is putting far too much emphasis on the left side, because it's the side that can talk. As Emo Philips once said: "The brain is the smartest organ in the body; but then I thought: Look what's telling me that."

I read into Neuro Linguistic Programming years ago and forgot most - are you familiar with the topic?
I've read a couple books on it and knew some people who'd done courses in it. It's been described as 'magic for salesmen' which sounds about right.
 
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