Gods and fear.

[Morivelle Sabbatica]

Has anyone had an issue with working with a diety by being limited because of fear?
I was considering working with Hecate.I wasnt sure and had mixed thoughts about it since the beginning. It even came once to a situation in which I thought of Hecates dark side and i literally felt terror.Has anyone ever had a similiar situation?
I was simply considering yet another time if its a good idea at all.I believe i should be called an agnostic witch since im not really so certain what is it that might sit there above us.I was wondering if that lack of certainty could make a bad idea out of diety work.Id say that after I was left speachless after just invisioning the endless pit of darkness I did get my answer...interesting thing is that the feeling dissapeard as rapidly as it came and i dont feel it anymore.But I am still afraid of even trying...

 

[Ziran]

I was considering working with Hecate.I wasnt sure and had mixed thoughts about it since the beginning. It even came once to a situation in which I thought of Hecates dark side and i literally felt terror.

Naturally. It makes sense to be afraid when deeply contemplating any "dark side".

I was simply considering yet another time if its a good idea at all.

In order to help I need more details:

Do you have clear intentions for your working with Hecate?

Did Hecate call to you?
Are you drawn to Hecate?

Have any others called to you?
Are you drawn to any others?

I believe i should be called an agnostic witch since im not really so certain what is it that might sit there above us.I was wondering if that lack of certainty could make a bad idea out of diety work

Not necessarily.

Id say that after I was left speachless after just invisioning the endless pit of darkness I did get my answer...interesting thing is that the feeling dissapeard as rapidly as it came and i dont feel it anymore.But I am still afraid of even trying...

Is there something specific that you're afraid of?

What's the worst that could happen?

 

[Keldan]

This presence is not Hecate and if you want to work with Hecate, you should use a different method to connect.

 

[Saint]

Has anyone had an issue with working with a diety by being limited because of fear?

Never.

When I was younger, in few cases I was a bit 'anxious' due to excitement rather than fear, so to speak, but it changed since. Now, I've faced many of greater/est authorities, but I see them as equals, on soul level; not above not below. This is not disrespect towards them, this is (genuine) respect towards myself, and this is something they actually appreciate and value greatly.

I was considering working with Hecate.I wasnt sure and had mixed thoughts about it since the beginning. It even came once to a situation in which I thought of Hecates dark side and i literally felt terror.Has anyone ever had a similiar situation?

Every being have a dark side, whether it is Infernal, Angelic (yes) or any other deity or entity, just like everyone else, including you and I.
ㅤIf you approach a deity with fear, doubt and terror, it's very likely you'll self-feed this frequency and through it, keep your psyché under the dark water and if your senses and channels are not on top, you may fail to receive their attempt to 'calm you' and pull you out, to guide you, if there was any, of course.

It's important to identify where your fear is coming from, and why do you struggle with it. Why are you afraid to begin with?
An another important question is, whether it was Hecate who called to you or you are the one who wish to approach? If so, what are your motifs and how clear, genuine and determined are you?
If it was a strange, hard to describe attraction towards her, it can be also a sign with deeper ties than you'd understand in this moment, but either way, it's not malevolent.

Your fear can twist and turn reality into something you will easily misunderstand. You have power. You already have more than you think. If you fail to control it within you unsupervised, it can manifest in a very harmful way, which can truly cause you to flee and miss opportunities, misinterpret, and fail to make sense of things going around you. It's all you.

I was wondering if that lack of certainty could make a bad idea out of diety work.

No. It is both natural and common. With practice, proper, frequent grounding and devotion to this matter you'll be eventually able to wash away the foam of uncertainity step by step. It may return ever once and a while; it happens to everyone even after long years of practice, but this path requires consciousness, and constant work and responsibility.

I grew up with Infernals around me, and I can safely say, humans are far more dangerous than any of the Infernals, but there's an 'if' to this.
If you respect them, if your intent is clear and honest, if you have no ill will or thought towards them, then you will be fine.

 

[Denise13]

If you fear what you're contemplating working with, you don't have control. I would advise waiting for another time. Maybe try conjuring for something innocuous that doesn't have a lot of scope for going wrong.

 

[Audiolog Edu]

I am also looking into Hecate to work with her, but I am scared I am a bit childish and I dont want her to get angry at me, I ve been practicing High Magick for like 3 years, so I am not very good at it yet, but I got few books on Hecate so I can study her and see the rituals done to her, I already work with Grecoroman Pantheon so is easy to work with her because I already read for example Hesiods Theogony.

 

[AbammonTheGreat]

Has anyone had an issue with working with a diety by being limited because of fear?
I was considering working with Hecate.I wasnt sure and had mixed thoughts about it since the beginning. It even came once to a situation in which I thought of Hecates dark side and i literally felt terror.Has anyone ever had a similiar situation?
I was simply considering yet another time if its a good idea at all.I believe i should be called an agnostic witch since im not really so certain what is it that might sit there above us.I was wondering if that lack of certainty could make a bad idea out of diety work.Id say that after I was left speachless after just invisioning the endless pit of darkness I did get my answer...interesting thing is that the feeling dissapeard as rapidly as it came and i dont feel it anymore.But I am still afraid of even trying...

The fear that the gods inspire is to relinquish you from your karmic chains. Within the vajrayana the yoginis are terrifying dieties that inspire fear to break you from your chains. Once they are broken and you assume and come into communion with the goddess (this seems to be a common theme amongst goddesses in particular) you feel a wholeness and liberation. This is one of the keys to true authentic initiation. The fear before the deity is an indicator that the process has begun, on the other side of the black death lies your freedom and liberation. A liberation from fear, from terror, and TRUE faith. That is a faith of direct knowing.

There is the typical anxiety or nervousness one feels before an operation and you can usually just take that as an indicator that whatever you are about to perform is going to work and work in a massive way. it should inspire you to follow through with the intended operation.

However this terror you are speaking of is the precursor to initiation and communion with the goddess. It is one of the very first steps in the actualization of our immortality. Hecate, Isis & Osiris, and dieties along these lines are known for what you are feeling. I will offer you some words of comfort though, Hecate may be dark and cthonic but she is a responsive and loving goddess. You can have trust and faith that if she has called you that what awaits you is a way of living you could have never imagined for yourself. Trust the process. She will take things from you that aren't for you to have, and this is a process of loss and grief, but on the otherside is a rebirth. A life with new eyes, a life of true freedom, freedom from the shackles of fear, death, and darkness.

 

[robyangel]

The fear that the gods inspire is to relinquish you from your karmic chains. Within the vajrayana the yoginis are terrifying dieties that inspire fear to break you from your chains. Once they are broken and you assume and come into communion with the goddess (this seems to be a common theme amongst goddesses in particular) you feel a wholeness and liberation. This is one of the keys to true authentic initiation. The fear before the deity is an indicator that the process has begun, on the other side of the black death lies your freedom and liberation. A liberation from fear, from terror, and TRUE faith. That is a faith of direct knowing.

There is the typical anxiety or nervousness one feels before an operation and you can usually just take that as an indicator that whatever you are about to perform is going to work and work in a massive way. it should inspire you to follow through with the intended operation.

However this terror you are speaking of is the precursor to initiation and communion with the goddess. It is one of the very first steps in the actualization of our immortality. Hecate, Isis & Osiris, and dieties along these lines are known for what you are feeling. I will offer you some words of comfort though, Hecate may be dark and cthonic but she is a responsive and loving goddess. You can have trust and faith that if she has called you that what awaits you is a way of living you could have never imagined for yourself. Trust the process. She will take things from you that aren't for you to have, and this is a process of loss and grief, but on the otherside is a rebirth. A life with new eyes, a life of true freedom, freedom from the shackles of fear, death, and darkness.

I agree with those who say that even fear is itself a calling. Hecate’s strength lies in confusion, in testing, in putting your heart on trial precisely through fear. She is a goddess who does not need, yet she favors those who are not frightened by her power—those who dare to open their hearts between shadow and light.


She must be followed. It is not easy, but it is a profoundly beautiful journey.


From my perspective, I have always felt her closeness in many ways. I would suggest reading Miller, Sorita d’Este, and Grayle’s Hecateon to gain a broader understanding—but first, ask yourself whether you are truly ready, whether you genuinely want this, and whether fear is only a veil hiding the love you have always felt.


Between ego and unconscious there is a thin layer of dust. It can be removed simply by looking within and understanding whether this is truly what you desire.

 

[rin_]

Personally I think fear can be quite revealing and affords us an opportunity for deeper contemplation or introspection. Fear has many nuances. Easy example to understand a healthy fear: hot stove. We fear the pain of being burned—having experienced it, it is not pleasant lol—and are therefore more cautious so as to avoid the painful consequence.

I would say I struggle with a lot more unhealthy fears than healthy ones due to life circumstances and outlook on them. But I would say even then, fear has a reason for being there.

It’s worth investigating. No need to rush into something you’re uncertain about.

 

[Beyond Everything]

Let me offer some thoughts that go against the grain for deep contemplation- and then action.

In the esoteric/occult sphere, there is no such thing as 'healthy' fear.

Fear in this realm is always a form of submission.

Such submission must be rooted out in all its forms on all levels of the human psyche/energetic complex.

Fear is ultimately energy, and all energy can be manipulated.

 

[Morell]

Funny thing is, I used to be afraid of vampires. Not sure why, but as a kid I didn't like to watch vampiric movies, they were scary.
I was even littel afraid of my new vampiric spirit when he first came to me. Took few weeks for me to get completely used to him and to overcome fear.

Now I'm into vampirism myself and I really enjoy it. Who knows. There are more kinds of fear. Some are wise to listen to, but some are indeed to be overcommed.

 

[Mannimarco]

Has anyone had an issue with working with a diety by being limited because of fear?

I don't think so. But many entities have tried to scare me, as a test to see if I was "worthy" of working with them. This is absolutely something Hecate would do. She is well known for much worse trials than that.

I was considering working with Hecate.I wasnt sure and had mixed thoughts about it since the beginning. It even came once to a situation in which I thought of Hecates dark side and i literally felt terror.Has anyone ever had a similiar situation?
I was simply considering yet another time if its a good idea at all.I believe i should be called an agnostic witch since im not really so certain what is it that might sit there above us.I was wondering if that lack of certainty could make a bad idea out of diety work.Id say that after I was left speachless after just invisioning the endless pit of darkness I did get my answer...interesting thing is that the feeling dissapeard as rapidly as it came and i dont feel it anymore.But I am still afraid of even trying...

What you experienced may also be your own subconcious fears about dark entities. This is very, very common. Religions, and more recently Hollywood, have brainwashed us since childhood that dark = evil and frightening, for generations.

As with everything, you need to do divination to find out what is going on

 

[FireBorn]

I will be transparent about my experience. While Lilith is not a Deity, I hope you can find something in my experience that gives you hope and something to think about.

When I started getting serious about my occult path I was interested in Lilith. I had done my very first ritual out in the woods, and had what some would call a successful encounter (a woman way out in the distance laughing, not at me just laughing and thats it) I thought it might just be all in my head, or not what I expected, I kicked the sigil I carved into the dirt and walked away pissed (left the candles and incense).

A few days later, I read a fanfic story about her, and for some reason, and I in all honesty didn't know what fanfic even was so it didn't register. With no occult experience I just took it as it was (yeah I'm retarded lol). The story scared the ever living shit out of me and I noped the fuck out with Lilith for like 2 full years.

One night after a successful evocation of Bune, I felt an overwhelming sense of guilt for not evoking Lilith and didn't want some horrifying demon pissed off at me. So I went out to that same spot in the woods and confessed my terror of her and apologized. I was thinking the words would leave my lips and go way way out onto the darkness, far far from me and she would hear them and all would be well, I was still scared out of my fucking mind.

Lilith showed the fuck up! I mean what the hell, it wasn't a ritual at all. Just me trying to make shit okay without her coming after me. I didn't know what I was doing or what I was getting into, and that was terrifying to my core. She said to me as my knees were literally shaking "All I demand of you is your authenticity and your willingness, do you think you can do that?" I said 'Oh, well if that's all it is, I guess I can do that'. Boom, pact entered without me realizing the weight of it at first.

The next thing I will share here is only for context, not a flex in anyway, as each occultist works in different ways. I didn't do a circle, or a triangle or banishing or warding or anything for protection whatsoever, and still dont. I only mention this to show how real the fear was. Reckless to some, maybe, but to me it was just real..

Lilith proceeded to teach me that fear is only an illusion. Yes the lessons during my initiation were scary as fuck. No, I was never harmed. Yes, she took me right to the edge of what I could handle, PLUS 3 feet each time. It was a learning process. No, not every encounter was scary. No, Lilith wasn't here to ruin me or harm me. Trust was built experientially.

Over the course of my time on my path, I have learned that fear is almost always illusion. All that is required is showing up authentic (not performing, not posturing) and being willing to stand there anyway. Its okay to flinch, but stand anyway.

The fears I have faced made me realize what sovereignty really means. That once I face my fears I became more and more free of them, they were chains that made me smaller than I really am. Lilith has been amazing, terrifying, strong, loud, quiet, Lilith. She has been inside me, she has walked me through the darkest of things, allowed me to burn, to fail, to fall, to rise and never did she demand more of me than my authenticity and willingness.

As a result I can stand in the presence of Raziel. I can withstand a smack from Asteroth, the challenge from Odin himself without running.

Lilith is and has been my Matron ever since. I have developed a great relationship where I can be my full irreverent, feral, unfiltered self with her. Its a special relationship, a bond. Nothing and no one can take away. I work with lots of others demons, angels, deities, but Lilith is special in ways the others are not to me. I am not the same person who started on this path, not even close.

Lying to myself about fear is immature and inauthentic. Fear is okay, its human. Just be real about it and willing to face it.

I shared my experience and its personal stuff. I get it, most occultists present only the highlight reels. Sometimes it's just ego and theater, and some folks just dont like to share such personal things. The reality is, we all get scared when staring at the ineffable at first. A being older than time, the stories we tell ourselves about it, and the unknown. You are just fine. You aren't abnormal, you aren't doing it wrong.

Maybe, just maybe Hekate isn't there to wreck you. Maybe she has a path and some lessons to teach you that will grow you in ways you dont even see yet. I'm sure Hekate has a reason for how she presents to you. If she wasn't willing to guide or help you, she wouldn't bother with you at all. The rest? Thats for you to discover with her, or not.

Hope this helps a little. Take what resonates and burn the rest. Good luck!