[Opinion] Has anyone worked with 67. AMDUCIAS of Goetia? Does he really have this power...

[hussainsirat577]

Has anyone in this forum worked with AMDUCIAS? I have read a few books on Goetia, and 3 of them have this kinda similar power when giving a description of AMDUCIAS's power.

1. Demons of Magick: Three Practical Rituals for Working with The 72 Demons (The Gallery of Magick) by

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• To cause somebody to bend to your will.
• To make those who are determined lose their will.

2. Goetia Pathworking: Magickal Results from The 72 Demons (Magick of Darkness and Light) by Corwin Hargrove

• Break the will of another: Use against a competitor or enemy, to make them lose the will to compete, continue to fight you, or in any other way that pleases you.
• Make somebody compliant: When somebody is resistant to your suggestions, use this power to make them so submissive they are willing to agree with you obediently.

3. The Magick of Angels and Demons: Practical Rituals for The Union of Power (The Power of Magick) by Henry Archer

• To make another person agree with you.
• To make somebody who is filled with purpose lose the will to continue.

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What do these authors mean when they list these 2 powers? Does that mean AMDUCIAS has the power to make a person do whatever you want them to do? Like - make someone sleep with you, buy your terrible product (If you are in sales), etc.

Or are these authors wrong and AMDUCIAS does not have such powers? What is your opinion???

 

[Grigorij]

I mean, his description on the Lemegeton seems to point towards that. I've never worked with him, though. Another demon who can bend the will of the others is King Paimon

 

[hussainsirat577]

I mean, his description on the Lemegeton seems to point towards that. I've never worked with him, though. Another demon who can bend the will of the others is King Paimon

Paimon? According to the books I have, their description says something like -

To make a named individual more easily influenced during conversation.

or

Influence through presence: This power makes you more able to influence another person to take on your ideas, trust you, or follow you as a leader, when you spend time talking to that person. The effect will last until that person experiences great personal change.

or

To control the thoughts and feelings of another via the will.

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I just don't know if this power will be powerful enough to bend the will of the others

 

[Grigorij]

Paimon? According to the books I have, their description says something like -

To make a named individual more easily influenced during conversation.

or

Influence through presence: This power makes you more able to influence another person to take on your ideas, trust you, or follow you as a leader, when you spend time talking to that person. The effect will last until that person experiences great personal change.

or

To control the thoughts and feelings of another via the will.

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I just don't know if this power will be powerful enough to bend the will of the others

From the Lemegeton: "He bindeth or maketh any man subject unto the Magician if he so desire it." from Pseudomonarchia Daemonum: "He giveth dignities and confirmations; he bindeth them that resist him in his owne chaines"

He's a King, and, despite being replaced with Corson in Pseudomonarchia and the Lemegeton (Ars Goetia), he's the Cardinal King of the West, which certainly is a position above the other Kings

I'm sure Amduscias would do a great job, though

 

[hussainsirat577]

From the Lemegeton: "He bindeth or maketh any man subject unto the Magician if he so desire it." from Pseudomonarchia Daemonum: "He giveth dignities and confirmations; he bindeth them that resist him in his owne chaines"

He's a King, and, despite being replaced with Corson in Pseudomonarchia and the Lemegeton (Ars Goetia), he's the Cardinal King of the West, which certainly is a position above the other Kings

I'm sure Amduscias would do a great job, though

Then I would try to work with them both to see how they are different in power and method.

 

[Grigorij]

Then I would try to work with them both to see how they are different in power and method.

I suggest trying one at time. If you two don't connect, try another one. I'd start with Amduscias, Paimon can be intense

 

[Durward]

Or are these authors wrong and AMDUCIAS does not have such powers? What is your opinion???

Lol to these authors and their false claims. Some people have the ability to influence others, and it isn't some magic or demon power that you get from a book or instructions from people who can prove nothing of what they claim. Wet paper bag claims, because they don't hold up to reality or tests. Those who influence people are obvious, and they usually end up as cult leaders, politicians, influencers. They can't influence everyone, but it is a large portion of the lemming people that they can influence, those who only think with the ego brain. There are certainly some entities that can do the same thing, influencing people, but why would they bother with or listen to the basement crowd of no-talent hacks and posers? They would align themselves with the cult leaders, politicians, billionaires, and influencers in order to carry out that agenda quicker and easier.
Add that manipulation and control of others is a twisted and sick agenda for the sociopaths, psychopaths, and other greedy and selfish people that need to just get a life and stop manipulating others. May that practice blow up in your face with extreme consequences if you do that sort of nonsense. We are manipulated enough by this sick and twisted society, the news, the sales tactics, and other coercion systems. If you waste your energy on manipulating other people, let's hope the consequences are dire.

 

[Grigorij]

Lol to these authors and their false claims. Some people have the ability to influence others, and it isn't some magic or demon power that you get from a book or instructions from people who can prove nothing of what they claim. Wet paper bag claims, because they don't hold up to reality or tests. Those who influence people are obvious, and they usually end up as cult leaders, politicians, influencers. They can't influence everyone, but it is a large portion of the lemming people that they can influence, those who only think with the ego brain. There are certainly some entities that can do the same thing, influencing people, but why would they bother with or listen to the basement crowd of no-talent hacks and posers? They would align themselves with the cult leaders, politicians, billionaires, and influencers in order to carry out that agenda quicker and easier.
Add that manipulation and control of others is a twisted and sick agenda for the sociopaths, psychopaths, and other greedy and selfish people that need to just get a life and stop manipulating others. May that practice blow up in your face with extreme consequences if you do that sort of nonsense. We are manipulated enough by this sick and twisted society, the news, the sales tactics, and other coercion systems. If you waste your energy on manipulating other people, let's hope the consequences are dire.

These books are shit indeed, but I don't think Amduscias' ability to bend trees are simply about trees

 

[Darkat]

I worked with him quite a bit when I first got involved with daemonolatry, but we didn't get on well.

 

[hussainsirat577]

I suggest trying one at time. If you two don't connect, try another one. I'd start with Amduscias, Paimon can be intense

Then let's test it with Amduscias first, since you said Paimon is intence

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I worked with him quite a bit when I first got involved with daemonolatry, but we didn't get on well.

In your opinion, what are the best demons or spirits for Bending or Breaking the will of another? Or spirits with strong influence ability?

 

[Accipeveldare]

Lol to these authors and their false claims. Some people have the ability to influence others, and it isn't some magic or demon power that you get from a book or instructions from people who can prove nothing of what they claim. Wet paper bag claims, because they don't hold up to reality or tests. Those who influence people are obvious, and they usually end up as cult leaders, politicians, influencers. They can't influence everyone, but it is a large portion of the lemming people that they can influence, those who only think with the ego brain. There are certainly some entities that can do the same thing, influencing people, but why would they bother with or listen to the basement crowd of no-talent hacks and posers? They would align themselves with the cult leaders, politicians, billionaires, and influencers in order to carry out that agenda quicker and easier.
Add that manipulation and control of others is a twisted and sick agenda for the sociopaths, psychopaths, and other greedy and selfish people that need to just get a life and stop manipulating others. May that practice blow up in your face with extreme consequences if you do that sort of nonsense. We are manipulated enough by this sick and twisted society, the news, the sales tactics, and other coercion systems. If you waste your energy on manipulating other people, let's hope the consequences are dire.

I agree with this. This sort of petty practice is that of the very thing that is causing the problems within our society. I should hope that the natural order is delegated onto such scum that practice that kind of malevolence. Hail those that participate in the degredation of such individuals and woe to those that should practice such behaviors.

 

[Grigorij]

Then let's test it with Amduscias first, since you said Paimon is intence

I didn't mean it in a bad way, but merely meditating on Paimon's sigil for a few minutes makes me feel pressure and heat on my solar plexus

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I agree with this. This sort of petty practice is that of the very thing that is causing the problems within our society. I should hope that the natural order is delegated onto such scum that practice that kind of malevolence. child those that participate in the degredation of such individuals and woe to those that should practice such behaviors.

I think sometimes it's justified, specially if you or someone else is suffering an injustice. If someone is plotting against me, I won't hesitate to make them lose their will to continue doing that. If someone isn't paying child support for the child they abandoned, I think it's fair to bend their will to make them do it

 

[Accipeveldare]

I didn't mean it in a bad way, but merely meditating on Paimon's sigil for a few minutes makes me feel pressure and heat on my solar plexus

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I think sometimes it's justified, specially if you or someone else is suffering an injustice. If someone is plotting against me, I won't hesitate to make them lose their will to continue doing that. If someone isn't paying child support for the child they abandoned, I think it's fair to bend their will to make them do it

There are other ways to avoid conflict. Even magickal ways. You need not infringe on someones will to prevent them from infringing on yours. It is the same petty practice i spoke of to infringe for any reason.

 

[Durward]

There are other ways to avoid conflict. Even magickal ways. You need not infringe on someones will to prevent them from infringing on yours. It is the same petty practice i spoke of to infringe for any reason.

I'm all in and with you here. These same people would be squealing if someone was using magic to force their will, or casting spells on them. It is the same problem we see with some religions where they want to force their beliefs onto everyone else and stomp on anything that isn't approved by that cult. If you forced another religion on them, they would be up in arms. NIMBY people, arrogant, abusive, controlling, manipulating, and then trying to justify it as if they are superior or somehow in charge of who gets to do what to whom. Frikken Hot Pocket basement mentality. Certainly thought humanity might evolve past this one day...

 

[Grigorij]

There are other ways to avoid conflict. Even magickal ways. You need not infringe on someones will to prevent them from infringing on yours. It is the same petty practice i spoke of to infringe for any reason.

Well, I'm not one to moralize things, specially when they don't involve grave permanent damage or death. In the context of LHP, a practice that focus on self-sovereignty, the most important thing for the practitioner to keep in mind is that actions have consequences and one must evaluate them and determine if it's worth it or not

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I'm all in and with you here. These same people would be squealing if someone was using magic to force their will, or casting spells on them. It is the same problem we see with some religions where they want to force their beliefs onto everyone else and stomp on anything that isn't approved by that cult. If you forced another religion on them, they would be up in arms. NIMBY people, arrogant, abusive, controlling, manipulating, and then trying to justify it as if they are superior or somehow in charge of who gets to do what to whom. Frikken Hot Pocket basement mentality. Certainly thought humanity might evolve past this one day...

I don't know, dude... You're talking about religion forcing their beliefs on others, but I see a similar pattern here. "Thou shall not..."

 

[Durward]

I think sometimes it's justified, specially if you or someone else is suffering an injustice. If someone is plotting against me, I won't hesitate to make them lose their will to continue doing that.

I worked in the field of enforcement for many years. If someone is being threatened, in many different ways that are obvious, you can step in and assist the victim without being punished. You don't need magic for that, you need kahunas. People plotting against you sounds more like paranoia. Just stop doing things that make others plot against you. Stop being a target.
I used to enforce making people lose their will to continue to do things, including resisting arrest, and it never included this type of hateful ego magic where you try to impose your magical ways or will on others. Pressure points and submission holds, pepper spray and baton. My will and my tools don't care who you think you are, or what your magic practices are, they always win. The physical will win over this nonsense any day of the week. Leave this work up to the professionals and law enforcement, or walk away.
I don't even know how many times people (usually high AF) cursed me, threatened me, said their demons would hunt me down, they know where I live, blah blah blah. I'm still waiting, since it appears that none of them had what it takes to be real about the lack of skills and the DND mentality. They are mostly deranged or drugged out. And I'm not afraid of any of that, or them.
So do what you think you need to do, and practice what you want, just don't expect any understanding, tolerance, or sympathy from me or those like me who find this type of nonsense to be disgusting and a total waste of time and energy.

 

[Grigorij]

I worked in the field of enforcement for many years. If someone is being threatened, in many different ways that are obvious, you can step in and assist the victim without being punished. You don't need magic for that, you need kahunas. People plotting against you sounds more like paranoia. Just stop doing things that make others plot against you. Stop being a target.
I used to enforce making people lose their will to continue to do things, including resisting arrest, and it never included this type of hateful ego magic where you try to impose your magical ways or will on others. Pressure points and submission holds, pepper spray and baton. My will and my tools don't care who you think you are, or what your magic practices are, they always win. The physical will win over this nonsense any day of the week. Leave this work up to the professionals and law enforcement, or walk away.
I don't even know how many times people (usually high AF) cursed me, threatened me, said their demons would hunt me down, they know where I live, blah blah blah. I'm still waiting, since it appears that none of them had what it takes to be real about the lack of skills and the DND mentality. They are mostly deranged or drugged out. And I'm not afraid of any of that, or them.
So do what you think you need to do, and practice what you want, just don't expect any understanding, tolerance, or sympathy from me or those like me who find this type of nonsense to be disgusting and a total waste of time and energy.

Dayum, you came from "no bending will with magic" to "magic doesn't work, try beating them up instead" pretty quickly

 

[Accipeveldare]

Dayum, you came from "no bending will with magic" to "magic doesn't work, try beating them up instead" pretty quickly

He didnt say magick doesnt work. It does. He is stating that his solution is more practical in the context of retaliation. Magick should be used to AVOID conflict and better yourself. Not give into it.

 

[Durward]

Dayum, you came from "no bending will with magic" to "magic doesn't work, try beating them up instead" pretty quickly

Your point?
You don't understand the context.
First, you think you can do whatever you want, regardless of the law. You can't. I haven't run into anyone making these magic claims that actually can do shit. So you are wasting your time in my eyes. And my point is, you wave your wand and I spray you with pepper spray, mine works, you are no longer a threat. Magic isn't there for your petty nonsense problems.
Then, to me, nothing but belligerence, arrogance, and superiority complexes make people think using magic to force your will onto others is ok. That makes you a sick person to me, done and out. There are a lot of sick and twisted practices, and I don't condone any of them and think if they are into banning books, they should start with that garbage.

Doing this kind of magic would be acceptable to you, that is all people really need to know about you. Put that on a t-shirt and brag about it.

 

[Accipeveldare]

Dayum, you came from "no bending will with magic" to "magic doesn't work, try beating them up instead" pretty quickly

Id also like to add, to state the obvious. That most people here got into the path due to being curious, trying magick, and then figuring it out it works. Durward would not likely be here if they did not believe it worked.