How do i summon a demon without sigil gazing

[noob99]

as written above i want to summon demons without any physical sigils is it possible

 

[Morell]

There are many ways to evoke a spirit. Sigil gazing is only one of them. Why not sigil anyway? What issues or limits do you face?

 

[noob99]

first I doubt myself my drawing is bad too bad, second i while sigil gazing i can't go deeper into trance

 

[Mycelial_Adept]

The trance state is what is needed. what is your normal way of reaching deep trance?

 

[OberonFromTheHills]

Pathworking.
Traditionnal ceremonial magick.
Altar magick.
Enns.

 

[noob99]

just do nothing forget about everything minimum let thoughts flow as they arrive without noticing them I sometimes stare at wall sometimes close eyes when I needed eventually I feel sleepy room darkening sometimes I lose in thoughts see visions sometimes see colors or little shadows in wall moving it happens rarely when I feel I'm not in my room I see I'm somewhere else it happens just for few sec and I get back

 

[Morell]

first I doubt myself my drawing is bad too bad, second i while sigil gazing i can't go deeper into trance

Drawing is matter of practice. Few afternoons of trying to draw sigils as you see them and you'll be all good.

And trance is about practice too. Don't be discouraged when it doesn't work for the first time. Give it some time every day and you'll get there eventualy. Mind is like a muscle. It requires time and efford to grow its strength.

 

[noob99]

Pathworking.
Traditionnal ceremonial magick.
Altar magick.
Enns.

will only enn work

 

[Hada Yasmin]

as written above i want to summon demons without any physical sigils is it possible

This is a perfectly valid mechanical question; while traditional grimoiric magic heavily emphasizes physical focus tokens, plenty of practitioners shift entirely to pathworking, astral temples, or sonic resonance (like chanting Enns) to bypass the need for physical ink and paper altogether.

 

[Lord Talve]

first I doubt myself my drawing is bad too bad, second i while sigil gazing i can't go deeper into trance

Dont worry meditation can prepare the mind and you can easier to trance

 

[FireBorn]

will only enn work

It can.

You can find all sorts of YouTube videos with mood scape type music and the chanting of demonic enns. Some of those videos have a huge Sigil on the screen. It might, or might not help you.

The largest determining factor here is YOU. If you can commit to the method and let yourself believe it might work, then it has room to work. If you sit there convinced it can’t work, you’ll probably kill the state before it gets going.

Try it. It's only stupid if it doesn't work.

Good luck! I hope you make contact, its a gas!!

 

[Morell]

It can.

You can find all sorts of YouTube videos with mood scape type music and the chanting of demonic enns. Some of those videos have a huge Sigil on the screen. It might, or might not help you.

The largest determining factor here is YOU. If you can commit to the method and let yourself believe it might work, then it has room to work. If you sit there convinced it can’t work, you’ll probably kill the state before it gets going.

Try it. It's only stupid if it doesn't work.

Good luck! I hope you make contact, its a gas!!

I've tried those, including chants I recorded myself. The basics are the same. You have to focus. In this case you focus on what you hear and push everything else away. Satania made some interesting videos, one of them I keep as it was vamp related and cool.

Also listening to one Anubis related made me unintentionaly summon Anubis to my room. Completely without me doing anything really. So I kindly welcomed the deity, explained and asked it to leave. It did after few moments without being angry.

 

[narasimha93]

The sigil is a non verbal form of the "name" of the spirit, you can call any spirit without the sigil. The "Liber oficiorum spirituum" one of the oldest spirit catalog out there (the great great grandmother of the goetia) doesn't have any sigil only the names, image and office of the spirit.

In traditional solomonic magic, you can call a spirit by their image (ritually draw in a piece of new paper with the bond and conjuration around it) or the name. The sigil is a later development. The idea is that AFTER you contacted the spirit, they is gonna give you a sigil, their secret name.

So yes, you can contact a spirit without the sigil, and the drawing of the sigil is secondary, there are thousands of examples and deformations of the same sigil, or the same spirit name. And they still answer the call of the magician.

 

[Darkat]

Enns will work fine, check out Black Witch Coven website for a full list of enns.