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[Opinion] How many truly don't wish for world peace? Why and why Not?

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Watching the news, the world is a hot mess. The only ones seeming to profit from wars seem to be arms manufacturers, arms dealers, and those that use firearms and other munitions.

But why wars? What is so threatened that a war is necessary at any scale?

Wars don't need to exist.
Change my mind. I'm a pacifist.

Sorry, tried to change the forum post to be in politics but unable to do so.
 

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I can see every reason for Russia to react to the globalists' strategy of encirclement by bringing Ukraine into NATO. I can see every reason for the Palestinians to fight Israel. (And I can scarcely bleat when Israel fights back.) In a few years, when NATO will be extended into Central Asia, I can well understand China pushing back. As the population of the Sub-Sahara dwarfs that of the Subcontinent and China, I do not see peace issuing. I can see every reason for America's states to opt out of a "Union" that brings in an indigent replacement population in order to create a one-party state. In short, I see little reason for peace.
 
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Personally, I think that the US should have a "hands off" approach to Foreign Policy, but, that's just like, my opinion, man.
I also think China and Russia should calm the fuck down.
The Middle East ... Perhaps we should all just leave them be.
 

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Personally, I think that the US should have a "hands off" approach to Foreign Policy, but, that's just like, my opinion, man.
I also think China and Russia should calm the fuck down.
The Middle East ... Perhaps we should all just leave them be.
Russia was maneuvered into its misadventure in the Ukraine. Every intelligent Chinese I know (I teach folks in banking, oil, government) shares the same view: after Russia, China is in the globalists' sights (and in this drama, the U.S. military/taxpayers play Leon "the professional.") The only reason for calm on Eur-Asia's part is that one fights better with a clear head.

Years ago, after spending some long months in a rather unpleasant part of the then-world, I returned to the U.S. Disenchanted with Clintomerica, I withdrew to Alaska for some years. A misguided romantic interest took me South to a modest-sized American city. There I got acquainted with emerging American culture. Strip malls, drugs, the suicide of what might have become a people. The stuff we export (forcibly if need be) to the world. Better Satri Devi's "winds howling through the ruins" than a planet of THAT.
 

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Ouspensky recalling one conversation he had with Gurdjieff,

G. shook his head.​
"Again you speak of something different,"' he said. "You speak of errors arising from perceptions but I am not speaking of these. Within the limits of given perceptions man can err more or err less. As I have said before, man's chief delusion is his conviction that he can do. All people think that they can do, all people want to do, and the first question all people ask is what they are to do. But actually nobody does anything and nobody can do anything. This is the first thing that must be understood. Everything happens. All that befalls a man, all that is done by him, all that comes from him—all this happens. And it happens in exactly the same way as rain falls as a result of a change in the temperature in the higher regions of the atmosphere or the surrounding clouds, as snow melts under the rays of the sun, as dust rises with the wind.​
"Man is a machine. All his deeds, actions, words, thoughts, feelings, convictions, opinions, and habits are the results of external influences, external impressions. Out of himself a man cannot produce a single thought, a single action. Everything he says, does, thinks, feels—all this happens. Man cannot discover anything, invent anything. It all happens.​
"To establish this fact for oneself, to understand it, to be convinced of its truth, means getting rid of a thousand illusions about man, about his being creative and consciously organizing his own life, and so on. There is nothing of this kind. Everything happens—popular movements, wars, revolutions, changes of government, all this happens. And it happens in exactly the same way as everything happens in the life of individual man. Man is born, lives, dies, builds houses, writes books, not as he wants to, but as it happens. Everything happens. Man does not love, hate, desire—all this happens.​
"But no one will ever believe you if you tell him he can do nothing. This is the most offensive and the most unpleasant thing you can tell people. It is particularly unpleasant and offensive because it is the truth, and nobody wants to know the truth. "When you understand this it will be easier for us to talk. But it is one thing to understand with the mind and another thing to feel it with one's 'whole mass,' to be really convinced that it is so and never forget it.​
"With this question of doing" (G. emphasized the word), "yet another thing is connected. It always seems to people that others invariably do things wrongly, not in the way they should be done. Everybody always thinks he could do it better. They do not understand, and do not want to understand, that what is being done, and particularly what has already been done in one way, cannot be, and could not have been, done in another way. Have you noticed how everyone now is talking about the war (World War I)? Everyone has his own plan, his own theory. Everyone finds that nothing is being done in the way it ought to be done. Actually everything is being done in the only way it can be done. If one thing could be different everything could be different. And then perhaps there would have been no war.​
"Try to understand what I am saying: everything is dependent on everything else, everything is connected, nothing is separate. Therefore everything is going in the only way it can go. If people were different everything would be different. They are what they are, so everything is as it is."​
This was very difficult to swallow.​
"Is there nothing, absolutely nothing, that can be done?" I asked.​
"Absolutely nothing."​
"And can nobody do anything?"​
"That is another question. In order to do it is necessary to be. And it is necessary first to understand what to be means. If we continue our talks you will see that we use a special language and that, in order to talk with us, it is necessary to learn this language. It is not worth while talking in ordinary language because, in that language, it is impossible to understand one another. This also, at the moment, seems strange to you. But it is true. In order to understand it is necessary to learn another language. In the language which people speak they cannot understand one another. You will see later on why this is so.​
"Then one must learn to speak the truth. This also appears strange to you. You do not realize that one has to learn to speak the truth. It seems to you that it is enough to wish or to decide to do so. And I tell you that people comparatively rarely tell a deliberate lie. In most cases they think they speak the truth. And yet they lie all the time, both when they wish to lie and when they wish to speak the truth. They lie all the time, both to themselves and to others. Therefore nobody ever understands either himself or anyone else. Think—could there be such discord, such deep misunderstanding, and such hatred towards the views and opinions of others, if people were able to understand one another? But they cannot understand because they cannot help lying. To speak the truth is the most difficult thing in the world; and one must study a great deal and for a long time in order to be able to speak the truth. The wish alone is not enough. To speak the truth one must know what the truth is and what a lie is, and first of all in oneself. And this nobody wants to know." - In Search of the Miraculous, Ouspensky​
I copied all of that to make one point: What will happen, will happen. As a magician, your responsibility isn't to 'save the world.' It is your goal to BE, as Gurdjieff said, so that you may DO. In order to BE, you must KNOW yourself. To KNOW yourself, you must be above the choices presented to you all the time. Are you a Democrat or a Republican? NO. Are you a Capitalist or Socialist? NO. Do you watch NBC or CNN? NO. Do you choose this or that candidate? NO. Whether you can fathom this or not, every single choice the machine gives you locks you into being a cog in the machine. If you are a machine, enjoy the ride.
 

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The Next War, by Ursula K. Le Guin

It will take place,
it will take time
it will take life,
and waste them.
 

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The only ones seeming to profit from wars seem to be arms manufacturers,....

What if most humans could not control their thoughts and emotions and were being manipulated by adverse entities?

What if this planet were important in the cosmic system?

Imagine how many dodgy "gods" would be competing for control. First stage: reduce the defense capacity of the humans. Get them to kill each other
 

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I think the point is do you want peace for you and your family and friends? Then advocate for world peace.
I aim for Peace and Harmony. In reality, there's no wars against other Souls on the other side. It is only here in this chaotic world that we see all that.

Even the Reptilians are nice and sweet on the other side, than in this place. What we have to understand is, that this is a game everyone is playing.
 

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Even the Reptilians are nice and sweet on the other side
The Draco reptilians have a particularly bad reputation but I do seem to see positive reptilians while meditating

I once met a nice fellow while meditating. For some reason I asked him how intelligent I was relative to him.

He instantly replied 9%.

I dare say I am easily fooled
 

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Watching the news, the world is a hot mess. The only ones seeming to profit from wars seem to be arms manufacturers, arms dealers, and those that use firearms and other munitions.

But why wars? What is so threatened that a war is necessary at any scale?

Wars don't need to exist.
Change my mind. I'm a pacifist.

Sorry, tried to change the forum post to be in politics but unable to do so.
War seems to be part of the evolution of humans. If there was no war then war inclined people would probably figure out something as bad.
 

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War isn't just a lowly human vice, it is a universal principle that has high oversight and many Intelligences and greater Spirits governing it in the Zones above.
It ain't going anywhere, like... ever.

As Bardon said in the PME somewhere, there will be war for as long as love and hate exist in the universe. As unpleasant as it may seem to most, it does have an important function in the cogs of fate and course of nature.
 

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I think the point is do you want peace for you and your family and friends? Then advocate for world peace.
Just about every war in the past century was launched as peace advocacy. Like the man said, "I'm a pacifist. It's my damn neighbors that refuse to follow my lead!"*

(* paraphrase from James Jones, he of "From Here to Eternity" fame.)
 

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Watching the news, the world is a hot mess. The only ones seeming to profit from wars seem to be arms manufacturers, arms dealers, and those that use firearms and other munitions.

But why wars? What is so threatened that a war is necessary at any scale?

Wars don't need to exist.
Change my mind. I'm a pacifist.

Sorry, tried to change the forum post to be in politics but unable to do so.
In fact, the answer is greed, and this is what the world is like.
People trying to kill each other for political reasons, under the control of demons they believe are superior to them.
Somebody is laughing at this situation.
we are the ones who are drawn to this disorder, who are forced, who find themselves at war
 

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“No matter how much we believe we have modernized, no matter what social construction we pledge to live by. Humans continue to be foolish creatures. We think we are so advanced but when pushed, we still prioritise emotion over logic.”

I'm a huge fan of the Youjo Senki franchise, and it has some fairly interesting takes on the philosophy of conflict and nature of human rationality.

I personally think war is wasteful and should be avoided, but I also understand that war happens anyways because there's always someone who uses emotion over logic to start new conflicts. It would be logical to improve long-term gains by not having forever-wars in the middle east and eastern Europe, but the people in power seem to be pushing towards short-term gains at the expense of everyone else... but then again it does seem the people in power are starting to become elderly in age, so one could infer that they are afraid of not being around long enough to actually see the gains they'd get if they took the longer-term peaceful route for profits.
 

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I'm pretty well convinced that a good deal of those who wish others to wither (for a multitude of reasons) are followers of sabbatai zevi & frankist thought.
 

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What makes you think you'd be allowed to do that? You have all the time in the world before hitting "post" to make sure it's the right section.
Reminds me of the video to the old Men at Work song, "It's A Mistake!" Lots of bureaucrats and Russkies in uniform running round in a tizzy after an accidental nuclear launch. Which, fittingly enough, ties right in with the thread's topic. Is that like a synchronicity or what? And the same moral applies in both cases: the time to say "I don't wanna be a thread-daddy or a war-daddy!" is before you launch that payload.
 
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