how to show physical proof of metaphysical concepts?

[Vlitmer]

there is a small shop in my hometown I visit sometimes that is run by a man that is well versed in esoteric and metaphysical topics such as the ones discussed on this website sometimes. and me and him were talking about ESP and the discussion came to be about how it seems extremely difficult if not impossible to give scientific physical proof to the concepts that exist in metaphysics i.e. ESP, remote viewing, astral projection etc.

I know of the CIA involvement in studying remote viewing in the 80s with the public release of the MK ultra documents. and of course, the nazi's and Hitler were extremely invested in metaphysics to help win the war. but finding actually scientific proof for these topics doesn't seem possible to me. I know that these concepts exist but to prove it is something I can't grasp.

so, I ask you. if you had to write a report to scientifically prove something like ESP or remote viewing, how would you do it?

 

[Robert Ramsay]

There are already a mountain of rigorous scientific papers showing that remote viewing (for example) can occur with a success rate far above chance.

The problem is twofold:
1) Not every experiment shows this (although a large percentage do)
2) There is currently no theory to explain why it works (and sometimes doesn't)

Neither of these would be a problem for "normal" psychology papers (which have a reproducibility problem the same as parapsychology papers do), but here we are.

From the perspective of my own research, I would require large numbers of senders and receivers to be at work simultaneously, and make sure that all the results are recorded before anyone other than the sender/receiver know what they are. Anyone involved in the experiment can interfere with it; failure is exacerbated by other people. This is why Levi says "To know, to will, to dare, and to keep silent"

 

[Vlitmer]

There are already a mountain of rigorous scientific papers showing that remote viewing (for example) can occur with a success rate far above chance.

The problem is twofold:
1) Not every experiment shows this (although a large percentage do)
2) There is currently no theory to explain why it works (and sometimes doesn't)

Neither of these would be a problem for "normal" psychology papers (which have a reproducibility problem the same as parapsychology papers do), but here we are.

From the perspective of my own research, I would require large numbers of senders and receivers to be at work simultaneously, and make sure that all the results are recorded before anyone other than the sender/receiver know what they are. Anyone involved in the experiment can interfere with it; failure is exacerbated by other people. This is why Levi says "To know, to will, to dare, and to keep silent"

from what I understand the reason it works (and sometimes doesn't) is because there is an innate "energy field" running through our physical reality, or rather that our physical reality exists in, that our consciousness and unconscious originates from, and can tap into. some people are born predisposed to have a better connection with this "energy" while other can exercise their connection through meditation, proper mindfulness, and intention i.e. spiritual practices and energy work.

when someone is able to remote view, they are connecting a part of their mind to this "energy field" that exists in and around everything and are able to view from the point they connect to.

but again, this is just my general understanding as someone still young to these practices. all this being just as hard to prove scientifically as the actually remote viewing itself.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

from what I understand the reason it works (and sometimes doesn't) is because there is an innate "energy field" running through our physical reality, or rather that our physical reality exists in, that our consciousness and unconscious originates from, and can tap into. some people are born predisposed to have a better connection with this "energy" while other can exercise their connection through meditation, proper mindfulness, and intention i.e. spiritual practices and energy work.

when someone is able to remote view, they are connecting a part of their mind to this "energy field" that exists in and around everything and are able to view from the point they connect to.

but again, this is just my general understanding as someone still young to these practices. all this being just as hard to prove scientifically as the actually remote viewing itself.

Welp, having researched it for thirty-plus years, I've come to different conclusions.

Imagine the sender and the receiver as two spreading sets of outcomes. In some of those outcomes, the sender will be thinking of a cat, the receiver, a dog, or vice-versa, or any combination.

A successful result is where both sender and receiver are thinking the same thing.

The point is, that each of the different outcomes is a different timeline. The magic occurs because both are trying to end up in the same timeline with the same thought. It's the same mechanism that ensures that we (mostly) agree on things in the world, like tables and chairs, except that the thing we are agreeing on is purely in our heads.

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