I want to work with Djinn, but I'm a complete newbie who just started out

[Orbiso]

Yes. A shortened Berhatiyah works as preparation and defense. I have recently been using only the Basmala 19 times as per the instruction of Al-Buni in the Shams al-Maarif with the Berhatiyah names placed around a magic circle instead of the recitation of them.

Once you do that you move into the procedure conjuring the sphere and djinn slowly until you petition them to bring you the djinn that you want knowledge and conversation with. Sometimes dependent on the session it can last 2 hours if the djinn is really talkative. I think the shortest sessions I have last an hour from start to finish.

As for reading materials its in the grimoires I listed but isnt. Its in between the lines. The procedure i related to you was given to me through intimate knowledge of the tomes I listed and the djinn themselves.

It would be awesome if there was a visual tutorial, or maybe a video that shows it step by step. I'm more of a visual learner, so these books with mostly just words in them take time for me to grasp.

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Yes. A shortened Berhatiyah works as preparation and defense. I have recently been using only the Basmala 19 times as per the instruction of Al-Buni in the Shams al-Maarif with the Berhatiyah names placed around a magic circle instead of the recitation of them.

Once you do that you move into the procedure conjuring the sphere and djinn slowly until you petition them to bring you the djinn that you want knowledge and conversation with. Sometimes dependent on the session it can last 2 hours if the djinn is really talkative. I think the shortest sessions I have last an hour from start to finish.

As for reading materials its in the grimoires I listed but isnt. Its in between the lines. The procedure i related to you was given to me through intimate knowledge of the tomes I listed and the djinn themselves.

Just to get a better understanding, you recite bismillah ar rahman ar rahim 19x. Then you put the Berhatiyah names palced around a mgic circle. (is it possible for you to show an image of the circle and layout?). And when you move on to cojuring the sphere, how do you do that? Also, do you have to specifically know a djinn to call them, or is it possible to talk to your Qareen, or to any Jinn nearby? Can you see them, or is it non-visual?

I'm looking at the list you gave me, the hierarchy of things to do, and I'm wondering if there's a youtube video, or some visual tutorial, for people who are more visual learners.

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Also, how do you initiate into a sphere? I'm trying my best to understand these books, but it's somewhat of a trial.

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Theres multiple ways to conjure them. Each method requires investment. Amadeus has gone over the sufi methods and the Berhatiah is one of them. Theres another method that requires initiation for response. Their heirarchy is as such

Sphere -> Root/Binding Djinn -> Djinn of Motion -> Six Guards/Djinn -> Djinn you are seeking.

You need initiation into the relevant sphere to get the Binding/Root Djinn. That Djinn works with his compatriot of Motion. I believe Agrippa segregated these into intelligence and spirit. Below those they have these Djinn that act as prison guards or palace guards and you ask those ones to bring you the Djinn you seek contact with. So the operative procedure goes

1. Shortened Berhatiah invocation of the 28 names or you can do the Basmala×19 for short version. Point is do this under the Will and sanction of Allah
2. Invocation of the sphere that rules the djinn
3. Evocation of the root djinn of power of the sphere (sometimes called king)
4. Evocation of the djinn of motion of the sphere
5. Evocation of the six Guards and a request for the djinn you seek knowledge and conversation with
6. Knowledge and conversation

The root djinn is listed amongst a ton of different grimoires but they usually deviate in names. You can find their names in the Shams (there is an english translation now though its an excerpt), Picatrix, and the Antimaquis. I cant give out the names I use but if you initiate into the sphere you will find the one you need to use. Once initiation is achieved they respond every time.

As for the modern "occulture" material they lean more into solomonic interpretations.

If possible, without giving any names of djinn you use, can you be more specific in how to do this? I'm not the smartest when it comes to reading comprehension, and I'm kinda autistic with a large splash of adhd, so I'm not the best when it comes to stuff without a lot of pictures. If possible, can you be more specific in these steps and how to exactly go and do them? I have the books right now, perhaps you can point to the pages that are the ones I should be focusing on? I'm sorry if I'm asking a lot, it's just that I truly am quite lost trying to read these books, and I find them to be not so straight forward at times, especially when trying to find djinn names. I'm trying my best, but it feels like I'm almost sort of lost even while reading the books.

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I think I got the names, right now it would really help if you could be more specific in the list of things you gave me. Sorry, if I'm asking for a lot, it's just that I get what the books are saying, but I'm a visual leaner, and simpler straightforward instructions help me more.

 

[Orbiso]

Like the title says. How do you know it's an objective experience and they're actually there? What's it like? Why djinn? How has it affected you in life? Is it possible to marry one (I've heard stories)? Would you want to marry one if you had the choice? How are djinn different from humans, mentally? Do you enjoy being around Djinn more than humans? How has this helped you in both your professional and personal life? What are the preferred ways you use to summon them? Can you see them? For an idiot like me, what would you recommend to do so I don't lose hope in the process?

I know it's a lot of questions, but I genuinely feel drawn to understanding these unseen inhabitants.

 

[Orbiso]

From my perspective, a lot of the books seem to delve into shirk. I just started reading shams al maarif, and the picatrix, so I am not so sure on whether they are as well. Can someone perhaps guide me in the right path, and tell me what path I should perhaps be taking if I want to work with djinn, and simply just communicate with them?

 

[Amadeus]

I would start off by memorizing the important Quran verses for clearing and some protection. Chapters 113-114 then 112 which is good and short. Then the ayatul kursi verse which is a bit hard to memorize and might take a while. It took me a while to memorize it. Al fatiha as well, does not hurt to know how the prayer cycles work.

For a much safer approach I would not bother with some really dark jinn books because it could give really bad issues.
The best options would be to start off exercising with the dhikrs and the verses. You have to increase your capacity, endurance, abilities to take in and process more energy. Because without any prior experience doing some of the recitation rituals would be too overwhelming. It might sound easy but when you process a very hot text for hours at once it can really fry your mind. At first maybe not because perhaps the openness is not so high but it will rapidly start increasing and then it feels like sun right above you, frying and cooking your mind, chakras.

The easiest options to get something to show up one way or another, either feel it, sense it, be able to have some type of a conversation through mind or via dreams, plus get benefits, would be to do rituals like reading "la ilaha illallah 70000x in a few days or a week, rate is 2000-6000/hour. Then continue, go for 1250000.

Then there's the "la ilaha illa anta subhanaka inni kuntu minaz zalimin" which is read 125000x.

The chapter 112 is used for rituals, Ahmad Wahid - The Book of The Servant, I think it is available over here. I could be wrong but I think there are a few rituals in there about the chapter 112, the one I mentioned in your other post, 1000x+ something times + something else that must be read. There's also the grand ritual with the chapter 112 where it is recited 100K times, this one is not in the book. It would give a strong connection and something will show up.

With the salawats it works well too, have to be read a lot for good effects and results.
Allahumma salli ala Muhammad
Allahumma salli `ala Muhammadin wa `ala aali Muhammadin wa sallim
Allahumma salli `ala Muhammadin wa `ala aali Muhammadin wa sahhibi wa sallim

When you get more used to the energy and the effects you could work with these 2 texts
Bahr, and special dua kursi, which have much stronger energy and effects and should be avoided at first, these are very hot. With enough exercising for a few months you might be able to use them better.

These are safe links, they are sufi order websites, directly to the 2 PDF's. Both are short.

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With these methods you will get results, strong spiritual experiences, feel the openness increasing and great spiritual states. At some point something will show up as well.

If you have absolutely no experience with anything like this then be cautious not to completely overload your mind. Better to start from less recitations and then over time add more. It does not exactly happen overnight, like in a gym you should not do the hardest exercises right away.

 

[Angelkesfarl]

You are mistaken in your superficial understanding of the operation. You must realize that the Basmala is recited exactly nineteen (19) times, as this number corresponds precisely to its letters in the Arabic language. The count is not random.

Al-Barhatiah is far from being a simple incantation; it is a vastly greater power—a power that is not abstract but possesses organized dependencies.

Firstly: The Guardians: The core spirits of Al-Barhatiah are twelve (12) spirits, and these are, in truth, the spirits of the Twelve Astrological Signs.

Secondly: The Keys of Control: There are nine (9) true names that govern the entire Al-Barhatiah system.

Thirdly: The Kings and Dependencies: You must master the spirits of the Seven Jinn Kings who serve the Seven Planets.

Fourthly: The Celestial Guard: There are names we use, such as Sidqia’il and Sarfiya’il, which are the names of the Superior Guarding Spirits. Failure to know these names leaves you vulnerable to the deception of the Jinn.

Fifthly: Manuscript Warning: Be warned that the English versions of the book Shams al-Ma'arif are not the best available, as the majority of the copies reaching you are corrupted in both meaning and wording.

Heed this warning. This is the science of Masters, not mere words being recited.

 

[System Error Message]

From my perspective, a lot of the books seem to delve into shirk. I just started reading shams al maarif, and the picatrix, so I am not so sure on whether they are as well. Can someone perhaps guide me in the right path, and tell me what path I should perhaps be taking if I want to work with djinn, and simply just communicate with them?

both islam and christianity have a rule about not working with other beings including angels themselves. So working with djinn is indeed shirk as you claim. Basically you cannot ask another entity for help.

Its a hard rule if i remember right its in the quran itself but the practice of working with djinn is an old arabic culture that came before islam and has stuck around for a while due to its miracle success.

 

[Orbiso]

both islam and christianity have a rule about not working with other beings including angels themselves. So working with djinn is indeed shirk as you claim. Basically you cannot ask another entity for help.

Its a hard rule if i remember right its in the quran itself but the practice of working with djinn is an old arabic culture that came before islam and has stuck around for a while due to its miracle success.

Is it shirk if you do this just because you're curious, to help you with your faith having an actual unseen inhabitant in front of you, and don't plan to worship them or makes parthners with God with them? Just maybe talk, and get to know them?

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I understand there are fatwas that don't allow it, and then there are fatwas that do allow asking Djinn for things deemed permissible.

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Would this be considered Theurgy? Also, from what I seem to have gathered from the Ahmad Wahid Book, The Guardian of the Yasin verse might be easiest, from what the book says, the entity this calls is not a Djinn, and all it takes is 7 days of fasting, and some other stuff.

Have you found success using this ritual?

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I would start off by memorizing the important Quran verses for clearing and some protection. Chapters 113-114 then 112 which is good and short. Then the ayatul kursi verse which is a bit hard to memorize and might take a while. It took me a while to memorize it. Al fatiha as well, does not hurt to know how the prayer cycles work.

For a much safer approach I would not bother with some really dark jinn books because it could give really bad issues.
The best options would be to start off exercising with the dhikrs and the verses. You have to increase your capacity, endurance, abilities to take in and process more energy. Because without any prior experience doing some of the recitation rituals would be too overwhelming. It might sound easy but when you process a very hot text for hours at once it can really fry your mind. At first maybe not because perhaps the openness is not so high but it will rapidly start increasing and then it feels like sun right above you, frying and cooking your mind, chakras.

The easiest options to get something to show up one way or another, either feel it, sense it, be able to have some type of a conversation through mind or via dreams, plus get benefits, would be to do rituals like reading "la ilaha illallah 70000x in a few days or a week, rate is 2000-6000/hour. Then continue, go for 1250000.

Then there's the "la ilaha illa anta subhanaka inni kuntu minaz zalimin" which is read 125000x.

The chapter 112 is used for rituals, Ahmad Wahid - The Book of The Servant, I think it is available over here. I could be wrong but I think there are a few rituals in there about the chapter 112, the one I mentioned in your other post, 1000x+ something times + something else that must be read. There's also the grand ritual with the chapter 112 where it is recited 100K times, this one is not in the book. It would give a strong connection and something will show up.

With the salawats it works well too, have to be read a lot for good effects and results.
Allahumma salli ala Muhammad
Allahumma salli `ala Muhammadin wa `ala aali Muhammadin wa sallim
Allahumma salli `ala Muhammadin wa `ala aali Muhammadin wa sahhibi wa sallim

When you get more used to the energy and the effects you could work with these 2 texts
Bahr, and special dua kursi, which have much stronger energy and effects and should be avoided at first, these are very hot. With enough exercising for a few months you might be able to use them better.

These are safe links, they are sufi order websites, directly to the 2 PDF's. Both are short.

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With these methods you will get results, strong spiritual experiences, feel the openness increasing and great spiritual states. At some point something will show up as well.

If you have absolutely no experience with anything like this then be cautious not to completely overload your mind. Better to start from less recitations and then over time add more. It does not exactly happen overnight, like in a gym you should not do the hardest exercises right away.

Would this be considered Theurgy? Also, from what I seem to have gathered from the Ahmad Wahid Book, The Guardian of the Yasin verse might be easiest, from what the book says, the entity this calls is not a Djinn, and all it takes is 7 days of fasting, and some other stuff.

Have you found success using this ritual?

 

[HellenaHex]

There are jinn according to the Quran that also worship god. I doubt god would genuinely care if you talked to them specifically. Especially since you just want to talk.

However, I am the type to talk to and interact with any spirit I meet or have a desire to know and learn from. I do this because I think it’s important not to form an opinion on something without experiencing it yourself. I do accept that my take has its own dangers but in my practice I have found those risk to be worth taking and am glad that I have talked to jinn without using religious protections that can offend then. Obviously the jinns I speak with don’t worship Allah but follow Iblis.

As for helping you find the right path only you can define that. For you I would advise you take a path that aligns with your religious or spiritual beliefs. Whatever those might be. That’s important because if you don’t your own psychological turmoil could affect or jade your experience in a negative way and you don’t want that. For example if one was Muslim they might want to look at Quran.com, Myislam.org, islamqa.info, and Sikhphilosophy.net which all discuss jinn from a religious perspective and might be of use. Now they aren’t going to tell anyone how to summon or talk to them. But they will discuss what they are, their religious perspectives on their nature, and Allah’s thoughts on them according to religious teachers and holy books. For yourself I advise looking into pre-Islamic folklore, myths, and beliefs and see what you think about them also before going forward.

for me personally my interactions with them are more organic and leave out all religious protections or bindings used traditionally because those things are not something I use since I do not practice that faith nor do I believe jinn are all evil. My practice is based on pre-Islamic folklore and mythology as well as Arabic and Islamic folklore that I remove biases from and test to see what is or isn’t true before applying it to my practice. In my practice I try to honor the Jinn rulers and Iblis as they are the ones whose authority other jinn are going to recognize and respect. I use obsidian mirrors, an obsidian bowl with water in it, sand painting, crystals, incense/bukhoor/candles/oil lamps/fires, scorpions/snakes/lizards/toads, a wolf bone whistle for banishing malevolent ones (it stays hidden and only comes out for that purpose or when they aren’t around, spiced camel milk for offerings, flower petals (roses/jasmine/poppy/saffron/oleander/etc), prickly pear cactus water (native to America they are in the Middle East now and used for boundaries), a Hyena skull, henna, music, trance dancing, arrow head divination/fire divination/and water divination, some other things

 

[MorganBlack]

Love the conversation. I have never worked in an Islamic framework so this is a treat for me.

when you process a very hot text for hours at once it can really fry your mind.

Totally! Does Ruhaniyyat have any practices to restore humoral balance after hot practices, or interacting with hot spirits. ? Baths? Asperging?

In Brujeria yellow bile, the 'choleric' humor is hot and dry and the brujo/a can be restored to balance and avoid sickness with cooling substances like rose, violet, or cucumber. Verum has the three herbs built in for this: mint, sweet marjoram, and rosemary.

And sorry here with a small niggle.
The Catholic Church actually encourages devotion to angels, and does not prohibit it. Look at all the many feast days, chaplets, prayers, candles, and novenas. I do not know if this translates to other magical cultures, but dulia is the honor given to saints and angels which is distinct from latria , which is worship/adoration reserved for God alone.

 

[Orbiso]

I would start off by memorizing the important Quran verses for clearing and some protection. Chapters 113-114 then 112 which is good and short. Then the ayatul kursi verse which is a bit hard to memorize and might take a while. It took me a while to memorize it. Al fatiha as well, does not hurt to know how the prayer cycles work.

For a much safer approach I would not bother with some really dark jinn books because it could give really bad issues.
The best options would be to start off exercising with the dhikrs and the verses. You have to increase your capacity, endurance, abilities to take in and process more energy. Because without any prior experience doing some of the recitation rituals would be too overwhelming. It might sound easy but when you process a very hot text for hours at once it can really fry your mind. At first maybe not because perhaps the openness is not so high but it will rapidly start increasing and then it feels like sun right above you, frying and cooking your mind, chakras.

The easiest options to get something to show up one way or another, either feel it, sense it, be able to have some type of a conversation through mind or via dreams, plus get benefits, would be to do rituals like reading "la ilaha illallah 70000x in a few days or a week, rate is 2000-6000/hour. Then continue, go for 1250000.

Then there's the "la ilaha illa anta subhanaka inni kuntu minaz zalimin" which is read 125000x.

The chapter 112 is used for rituals, Ahmad Wahid - The Book of The Servant, I think it is available over here. I could be wrong but I think there are a few rituals in there about the chapter 112, the one I mentioned in your other post, 1000x+ something times + something else that must be read. There's also the grand ritual with the chapter 112 where it is recited 100K times, this one is not in the book. It would give a strong connection and something will show up.

With the salawats it works well too, have to be read a lot for good effects and results.
Allahumma salli ala Muhammad
Allahumma salli `ala Muhammadin wa `ala aali Muhammadin wa sallim
Allahumma salli `ala Muhammadin wa `ala aali Muhammadin wa sahhibi wa sallim

When you get more used to the energy and the effects you could work with these 2 texts
Bahr, and special dua kursi, which have much stronger energy and effects and should be avoided at first, these are very hot. With enough exercising for a few months you might be able to use them better.

These are safe links, they are sufi order websites, directly to the 2 PDF's. Both are short.

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With these methods you will get results, strong spiritual experiences, feel the openness increasing and great spiritual states. At some point something will show up as well.

If you have absolutely no experience with anything like this then be cautious not to completely overload your mind. Better to start from less recitations and then over time add more. It does not exactly happen overnight, like in a gym you should not do the hardest exercises right away.

From what I seem to have gathered from the Ahmad Wahid Book, The Guardian of the Yasin verse might be easiest, from what the book says, the entity this calls is not a Djinn, and all it takes is 7 days of fasting, and some other stuff.

Have you found success using this ritual?

 

[Yazata]

I merged these threads to keep it together for anybody interested later on