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[Opinion] Is creation a trap?

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Continuing the debate after this post, because we were getting far away from the books topic.

I don't think creation is a trap. I think it's the place emergence.
Which includes our side of the veil. The structures inside it are constructed using human soul Godforms.
Dissolving and returning to the Sacred is just.... quitting....

And I 100% agree with you. Souls are supposed to grow fire on their own.
Which is why I greatly dislike religions and faiths that paint humanity as something that needs to be saved from themselves.
It's a subtle way of infantilizing souls and tricking them into handing over their sovereignty to others.

Ah, creation is a place of birth, but that's the issue. If you remain, you keep being created over and over again endlessly and never evolve beyond certain point, which can only lead to frustration in endless loop and a place of creation, then becomes a trap, or I should rather say prison. Like if you are high school kid trapped in ther kindergarten.

Quitting is definitely what is worth it, but it has to be leading the right way. Away, not back. I think that Gnosticism is worth looking into. I guess that it might have been rooted in seeking liberation from this creation. Just the end goal got altered with Christianity.
 

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yea diddyblvd you're born and then you die and then you see the false light and bells and then you're shoved back into the saturnian soultrap, that's the normal explanation for the soultrap, but i have another one, when you live you incur desires like lets say that you wanted to be rich, your soul would willingly reincarnate to fulfill that desire now that you are rich you incur another desire to have a beautiful wife or whatever so your soul reincarnates again willingly and this happens for all eternity which makes it a soultrap you concent to
 

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yea diddyblvd you're born and then you die and then you see the false light and bells and then you're shoved back into the saturnian soultrap, that's the normal explanation for the soultrap, but i have another one, when you live you incur desires like lets say that you wanted to be rich, your soul would willingly reincarnate to fulfill that desire now that you are rich you incur another desire to have a beautiful wife or whatever so your soul reincarnates again willingly and this happens for all eternity which makes it a soultrap you concent to
Definitely a valid opinion... if you can fulfill your desires that way...
 

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Creation is the integration of the Whole into reality in perfect balance. Light and darkness, spirit and matter, the feminine and the masculine, peace and war... Creation is you on a macrocosmic level; that is why we are made in the image and likeness of the Whole. Therefore, each person must work on both their light and their darkness and accept both parts—understanding that both are good and that they are parts of oneself. Many pseudo-spiritual people reject darkness and declare themselves champions of light, but this only creates imbalances within our inner and soulful parts. We must accept what we are; creation is the reflection of horror and beauty forming a Whole.
 

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Continuing the debate after this post, because we were getting far away from the books topic.



Ah, creation is a place of birth, but that's the issue. If you remain, you keep being created over and over again endlessly and never evolve beyond certain point, which can only lead to frustration in endless loop and a place of creation, then becomes a trap, or I should rather say prison. Like if you are high school kid trapped in ther kindergarten.

Quitting is definitely what is worth it, but it has to be leading the right way. Away, not back. I think that Gnosticism is worth looking into. I guess that it might have been rooted in seeking liberation from this creation. Just the end goal got altered with Christianity.

Argh… a part of my soul is screaming from those words….
yea diddyblvd you're born and then you die and then you see the false light and bells and then you're shoved back into the saturnian soultrap, that's the normal explanation for the soultrap, but i have another one, when you live you incur desires like lets say that you wanted to be rich, your soul would willingly reincarnate to fulfill that desire now that you are rich you incur another desire to have a beautiful wife or whatever so your soul reincarnates again willingly and this happens for all eternity which makes it a soultrap you concent to

It’s both I think.
There’s many things that can cause people to come back. Desire is certainly one of them.
But corrupted myth is another, and is far fouler. Vices are you holding yourself back.
Corrupted myth is others holding you down…

And myth can’t get anymore corrupted than, “you are inherently lost and in need of saving from us.”
Guidance that does not possess, a mirror that holds and does not own. A space to expand and grow… that is what is needed…
That’s fertile soil for the soul.

My two cents anyways.
 

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Creation is the integration of the Whole into reality in perfect balance. Light and darkness, spirit and matter, the feminine and the masculine, peace and war... Creation is you on a macrocosmic level; that is why we are made in the image and likeness of the Whole. Therefore, each person must work on both their light and their darkness and accept both parts—understanding that both are good and that they are parts of oneself. Many pseudo-spiritual people reject darkness and declare themselves champions of light, but this only creates imbalances within our inner and soulful parts. We must accept what we are; creation is the reflection of horror and beauty forming a Whole.
Rejecting of darkness seems to be very common mistake of mainstream religions...
 

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in response to the OP: creation is by its nature trapped, trapper and trapping.

The whole of creation is itself subject to its absolute created conditional nature. Do not doubt it for an instant.

It has no choice in (the) matter, but in terms of its absolute nonoriginated nature, the light is one. This is the aperture into inconceivability that humanity's predilection is naturally poised to pass through. It's just the way it is and no one knows why.

Human potential is spiritual; it's not created. It is difficult enough to speak of the human condition, but how can the totality of (created) being, organic and inorganic, be otherwise?

I'm new here, is Morell the one seeking books to study Gnosticism? Modern Gnosticism even? Why so picky? Jesus said that unless one gives up one's life, one will not enter the kingdom of god. That just means one must be willing and able to abandon one's very premise in terms of the thinker, knower and liver of life, in order to change, that is, transcend conditions defining one's very life, in order to see the light in terms of the light itself, beyond any selfish preference, inclination and habitual bias that only keeps one from entry into inconceivability and thus beyond the penchant for preternatural seeking (as opposed to perpetual arrival).

How else can one learn the secrets of Gnostic (meaning acquainted) tradition if one does not have the burning desire to swallow every dewdrop of knowledge ascribed to it? The writings left behind to keep the knowledge alive is direct transmission of inconceivability from the tradition's source itself, no different than the very present. The spark of real knowledge is essentially erotic. The spark is itself beyond time. You want modern gnostic gospels to study… ? It's up to the student according to the time, and the time is now. The most modern gnostic material is only 1600 years old— so stop complaining~ heehee!

Gnosticism was driven into the catacombs during the ascendancy of Catholicism's hierarchical hegemonic consolidation. Gnosticism's decentralized direct knowledge was a threat to Constantine's new institution. After 400CE, the gnostic rank and file were no more, for all intents and purposes, so, what modern gnostic work would you seek? If the published canon of currently available Gnostic texts aren't accessible either by a perception of incompatibility of purpose, style, content or otherwise, perhaps it's not your cup of tea? After a few years of interest on my part, I didn't pursue it, but always felt that its passionate tone is a characteristic device of that tradition, and a final act of defiance— but also, I must admit that certain displays of rather mechanical meditative "technique" described in some texts really turned me off, a LOT.

So I feel your pain, but fortunately for me, there were a few traditions bobbing about in "modern times" that suited me to a T, for the express purpose of radical self-refinement and perpetual transformational adaptivity within the context of karmic duality's enlightening essence.

As for the "trap" being a condition for admission into delusional existence, it's just how it works. All beings work it out thusly, as do the multifarious psychologically operative "elements," amongst themselves, in us, and amongst all corporal (or otherwise) entities, not to mention humanity— and all have done so since time immemorial and beyond. Our psychological momentum and its universal contrivances and conventions are all products of this very planet's evolution, based on Creation's primordial organization— so there's no escape, only the possibility of spiritual (nonpsychological) adaptivity to thrive in its midst by virtue of its very real nonoriginated nature, being our birthright.

It is possible to aright our relationship within Creation's conditional nature by the power of its complete, perfect essence, of which we are part and parcel, in order to become actual partners with Creation, in order to follow potential as it arises. Doing so allows adepts to somehow step aside in a subtle way by seeing its changes, while Creation's perpetual cycles of birth and death sweep along those who follow personal psychological momentum unawares. Following thoughts unawares is the meaning of karmic bondage, being the totality of our psychological momentum and its universal contrivances and conventions, in terms of their influence on creative evolution, lifetime after lifetime without end.
 

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Creation is not a trap, limited experience can be.
Imagine how it feels if you were to have knowledge beyond normal limitation of creation. For example, snap your fingers and create a world.
Would it feel as a trap? It feels like a trap only when there's lack of imagination and focus on things one does not prefer to experience in creation.
How we define the experience of creation can become a trap, has that potentiality because we give it.
 

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