Jack Grayle Controversy

[solyluna]

About a week ago Samuel David posted this about Jack Grayle
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And now these videos of Jack expressing some controversial comments have surfaced:

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What do people make of this?

 

[Yazata]

Just say what you want to say without linking to a YouTube serie, Facebook and Instagram..

 

[solyluna]

I want to have a conversation about this information that is emerging, which is pretty hard to do without linking to those sources. I'm trying to navigate my own feelings about interest in his work and concern. I'm curious how other people navigate these kinds of controversies, but again it's hard to explore without looking at these different sources.

 

[Beyond Everything]

I looked him up. He charges money for courses that teach you how to magically attract money lol

If you're that interested in what he teaches, just go to source material. Watching one of his videos, I don't psychically detect a great deal of -let's say- mana power there. Yes- with any real esoteric development, you can tell if someone has real juice or not.

 

[Yazata]

I want to have a conversation about this information that is emerging, which is pretty hard to do without linking to those sources. I'm trying to navigate my own feelings about interest in his work and concern. I'm curious how other people navigate these kinds of controversies, but again it's hard to explore without looking at these different sources.

Then give your opinion on what you have seen. You are now just dropping some links and wait for others to respond. That's not a conversation but being a spectator. You made this account just to post this so it's obvious you have something to say about it.

 

[Thee Nightfool]

I'd like to know why Jack is reading fucking Gordon Winterfield's book if his own arcana is allegedly so powerful, hahahaha.

 

[thepolestar]

Honestly, all of them are like that though. Samuel David is saying that Jack Grayle casts glamors, does binding spells, and deflects whistleblowers - and I really feel like this describes 99% of occult teachers and definitely the influencers!

So Jack Grayle is a garden variety control freak. Big deal, the real question should be - how do you notice when a teacher is like this, and are you willing to deal with his domination magic in order to take his classes, just because his classes are good? (Sometimes that risk is okay - I have dealt with teachers who were psychically attacking students, and I knew it, because they had valuable knowledge that I had no other way of learning.)

Literally ALL of them do this stuff though, it's not just Jack Grayle. The teachers who don't cast magic on students are the teachers who left public teaching and the public spiritual community. They have small, intimate covens built on trust, reciprocity, and shared values, they never advertise, and they'll never become famous.

 

[ashlesha]

I never really liked Jack Grayle, he always sounded so fake when speaking. His book Hekataeon got way too much praise against what is actually practical to work within it, and his courses are excessively expensive. But I do think he's really helped with the PGM-fad that is going around right now, and brought more popularity to the book so other people are interested in practicing it and sharing their own notes. That's sort of the role I see for occult influencers and course-teachers.

I read part of Samuel David's book Rod & Ring, but didn't take to it, so I don't know much about him either. I really don't like this sort of public cancelling, but if Grayle really showed up at David's door then LOL he should totally speak up about this creep!!!

Hopefully someone leaks PGM Praxis 2 & 3 courses now

 

[WonderFire]

My opinion is that only losers try to cancel others over private beefs.

 

[Durward]

To me, the measure is always "What can you actually do?" So, if they fail the show me research, and are all talk, and are popular or wealthy, they are usually grifter con artists, which is also a skill. Influencers often also have a skill. If they didn't, people wouldn't actually follow them in droves.
They often use similar rhetoric, sometimes the Barnum effect is used on people, or love bombing, isolation, gas lighting, and more with a complete lack of humility. They will promote their own materials, and themselves, while bashing others. They often make claims that they can see through some veil and that you have to join or pay to learn how. They usually have some conspiracy nonsense that is too close to reality for comfort, but draws in people on the fringe. They recruit, and they spread whatever they are into like a disease.
These are all big red flags to people who want independence and freedom, and want to control their own fate and powers.
The main characteristic is control and focus. They will claim things like "my way is best" or "I know some truth" but will have all sorts of excuses when put on the spot to demonstrate anything they claim. They are all grifters, and greed pigs.
Don't be a lemming.