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I have been working with the book now for about three years. Theordore Rose's system of contacting demons has been working well. It's path working. A few things are changing as to how I feel about the system. For instance, today I worked with Lucifer, Ariton, Amayon and Irasomin on helping me emerge from a crisis unharmed. As soon as I did the ritual I got a "related to my situation" answer (plus a suggestion) that was perfect and resolved everything. The demon Irasomin spoke that I could hear. I thank him for the help.
Yet, this was a first time that one of the demons gave such a quick answer. The author Charlie Rose writes in the book that demons do not need offerings ,and that it is enough that the demons get a chance to use their abilities. I do give the offerings since I didn't feel connected to NOT giving. Now, today, since the answer was so quick, I felt to give an even greater offering.
The author has his own ides about demons, what they are, how to work with them. The author also has some disagreements with how westerners work with demons. I didn't get much into this part. I'm still new at doing magic. I was and am just happy the system works for me.
The path workings are pleasant to do, their old three or four lines. The rituals are short. And for me, answers come within a week, a month or even 6 months but answers have always come.
One thing I do know, I would NOT suggest to myself when I was a total, day one beginner. I came to magick a handful of years ago, and the books I started with are New Avatar Power, Mystic Grimoire and one or two of gallery of Magic books plus Lucifer and the Hidden Demons. These books gave me a way to start getting results with magick which was good. BUT without saying too much... there were some problems along the way that could have been more serous then they were. And, if I were to start this study of magick again from the beginning, I would be happy to start slow and steady, learning complete basics before jumping into using a book like " Lucifer and the Hidden Demons". And baneful work using this book, has its curious , and often dangerous complexities along with its successes.
But, we are all free to do as we want in the end, we aren't in church anymore lol.
Impressive experience. You really walked quite a bit of the path.
Looking back, I would change damn a lot of things, but that is unimportant. Important is to focus on working now and going forward on improving. We got where we are after all and as long as we can move forward, it is at least not complete waste. It's worth something.
Anything (occult wise) you can find available on the web is filtered out, edited or simply hogwash. The Dark web (TOR) is the only source available that offers unredacted, unfiltered, unedited information on the occult. Government restrictions prevent anything in relation to the actual occult from being released to the public. Learn to surf the dark web (TOR browser) and when you get a hang on how to traverse. Historical context is really the only value one can acquire from studying the occult (even with the context from the dark web) as witch craft, etc is not real. There is one guy Anthony Harris, who provides edited copies of actual witch craft manuals, from actual women accused of witch craft and executed. Romani Oracle by Margareta Rhoda he has posted on Amazon (Free on KU) He edits out harmful practices but leaves in the actual practices of Cartomancy, potion making, spell casting (non harmful), etc. from the Original text Romani Oracle 1889 by Margareta Rhoda.
I do not know if Amazon allows you to contact sellers directly (unless you've purchased a product) but he also has Devil's Maleficium 1707 by Janet Horne (Scottish woman accused of witch craft) I believe he is currently editing out and waiting gov approval for public release. As well as over a dozen of other historical books and documents on witch craft. He has studied the occult over 2 decades and is one of 10 people the Vatican actually permitted into their own archives (which is the largest trove of the occult in the world). The best source of the occult is that written by actual people executed by gov/states/people/etc. who were actual practitioners. You can find unedited versions of both these books illustrated here on the dark web.
The grotesque nature of the practices will shock the conscious (child sacrifices explained in great detail, demon summoning, etc) The vast majority of witch craft practices involve animal or child sacrifice. Now a days when you read a book written by some modern author on witch craft you get three things that are utterly false A) magic isn't evil and there's good magic (no there is neutral magic and dark magic use of either condemns one's soul, neutral magic is simply magic that doesn't harm) B) what one casts has equal payment (very few actually explain whatever one casts its returned in x3) C) all practices tax the soul (eat away at your soul) or if a sacrafice is used (consumes that soul).
Impressive experience. You really walked quite a bit of the path.
Looking back, I would change damn a lot of things, but that is unimportant. Important is to focus on working now and going forward on improving. We got where we are after all and as long as we can move forward, it is at least not complete waste. It's worth something.
The Dark web (TOR) is the only source available that offers unredacted, unfiltered, unedited information on the occult. Government restrictions prevent anything in relation to the actual occult from being released to the public. Learn to surf the dark web (TOR browser) and when you get a hang on how to traverse.
Anything (occult wise) you can find available on the web is filtered out, edited or simply hogwash. The Dark web (TOR) is the only source available that offers unredacted, unfiltered, unedited information on the occult. Government restrictions prevent anything in relation to the actual occult from being released to the public. Learn to surf the dark web (TOR browser) and when you get a hang on how to traverse. Historical context is really the only value one can acquire from studying the occult (even with the context from the dark web) as witch craft, etc is not real. There is one guy Anthony Harris, who provides edited copies of actual witch craft manuals, from actual women accused of witch craft and executed. Romani Oracle by Margareta Rhoda he has posted on Amazon (Free on KU) He edits out harmful practices but leaves in the actual practices of Cartomancy, potion making, spell casting (non harmful), etc. from the Original text Romani Oracle 1889 by Margareta Rhoda.
I do not know if Amazon allows you to contact sellers directly (unless you've purchased a product) but he also has Devil's Maleficium 1707 by Janet Horne (Scottish woman accused of witch craft) I believe he is currently editing out and waiting gov approval for public release. As well as over a dozen of other historical books and documents on witch craft. He has studied the occult over 2 decades and is one of 10 people the Vatican actually permitted into their own archives (which is the largest trove of the occult in the world). The best source of the occult is that written by actual people executed by gov/states/people/etc. who were actual practitioners. You can find unedited versions of both these books illustrated here on the dark web.
The grotesque nature of the practices will shock the conscious (child sacrifices explained in great detail, demon summoning, etc) The vast majority of witch craft practices involve animal or child sacrifice. Now a days when you read a book written by some modern author on witch craft you get three things that are utterly false A) magic isn't evil and there's good magic (no there is neutral magic and dark magic use of either condemns one's soul, neutral magic is simply magic that doesn't harm) B) what one casts has equal payment (very few actually explain whatever one casts its returned in x3) C) all practices tax the soul (eat away at your soul) or if a sacrafice is used (consumes that soul).
Anything (occult wise) you can find available on the web is filtered out, edited or simply hogwash. The Dark web (TOR) is the only source available that offers unredacted, unfiltered, unedited information on the occult. Government restrictions prevent anything in relation to the actual occult from being released to the public. Learn to surf the dark web (TOR browser) and when you get a hang on how to traverse. Historical context is really the only value one can acquire from studying the occult (even with the context from the dark web) as witch craft, etc is not real. There is one guy Anthony Harris, who provides edited copies of actual witch craft manuals, from actual women accused of witch craft and executed. Romani Oracle by Margareta Rhoda he has posted on Amazon (Free on KU) He edits out harmful practices but leaves in the actual practices of Cartomancy, potion making, spell casting (non harmful), etc. from the Original text Romani Oracle 1889 by Margareta Rhoda.
I do not know if Amazon allows you to contact sellers directly (unless you've purchased a product) but he also has Devil's Maleficium 1707 by Janet Horne (Scottish woman accused of witch craft) I believe he is currently editing out and waiting gov approval for public release. As well as over a dozen of other historical books and documents on witch craft. He has studied the occult over 2 decades and is one of 10 people the Vatican actually permitted into their own archives (which is the largest trove of the occult in the world). The best source of the occult is that written by actual people executed by gov/states/people/etc. who were actual practitioners. You can find unedited versions of both these books illustrated here on the dark web.
The grotesque nature of the practices will shock the conscious (child sacrifices explained in great detail, demon summoning, etc) The vast majority of witch craft practices involve animal or child sacrifice. Now a days when you read a book written by some modern author on witch craft you get three things that are utterly false A) magic isn't evil and there's good magic (no there is neutral magic and dark magic use of either condemns one's soul, neutral magic is simply magic that doesn't harm) B) what one casts has equal payment (very few actually explain whatever one casts its returned in x3) C) all practices tax the soul (eat away at your soul) or if a sacrafice is used (consumes that soul).
I don't agree with you on this point, because many practitioners achieve results without sacrificing the things you mentioned. The only sacrifices they truly make are their time, their relationships, and their personal pleasures.
What about Bardon practitioners, Golden Dawn practitioners, Stephen Skinner (who practices Goetia and Solomonic magic—many people consider that "black magic"), and Enochian magicians? None of them typically make the kind of offerings or sacrifices you're talking about.
Regarding giving material sacrifices to spirits: many experienced practitioners debunk that idea. Spirits don't need physical offerings. That's precisely why we constrain and command them to do what we want. The grimoires you're referring to are a minority among dozens of others. They do not represent a universal rule that magic only works if you do the disturbing or "disgusting" things you described. A grimoire is essentially just a personal journal—highly subjective, written by one individual. It is not objective truth.
Moreover, no matter what kind of magic you practice, its influence is limited—maximum 80% effectiveness at best. So many external factors control outcomes. Do you really think you can just do whatever you want and always get results? Do you think you're the center of the universe?
Second, are you actually a practicing magician yourself, or are you just an armchair occultist?
About ethics: yes, magic involves ethics, but it's a metaphysical ethics, not the artificial moral codes imposed by human society. Some things humans label as "evil" are actually good or necessary from the perspective of higher realms—for example, natural disasters and wars serve a larger purpose. A lot of people get influenced by Nietzsche and then claim to have "transcended good and evil," but the good/evil Nietzsche criticized was specifically Christian slave morality, not the basic ethical principles shared across all human cultures.
Finally, regarding "modern" grimoires: what do you even mean by modern? The last 20 years, or the last 200 years?
I don't agree with you on this point, because many practitioners achieve results without sacrificing the things you mentioned. The only sacrifices they truly make are their time, their relationships, and their personal pleasures.
What about Bardon practitioners, Golden Dawn practitioners, Stephen Skinner (who practices Goetia and Solomonic magic—many people consider that "black magic"), and Enochian magicians? None of them typically make the kind of offerings or sacrifices you're talking about.
Regarding giving material sacrifices to spirits: many experienced practitioners debunk that idea. Spirits don't need physical offerings. That's precisely why we constrain and command them to do what we want. The grimoires you're referring to are a minority among dozens of others. They do not represent a universal rule that magic only works if you do the disturbing or "disgusting" things you described. A grimoire is essentially just a personal journal—highly subjective, written by one individual. It is not objective truth.
Moreover, no matter what kind of magic you practice, its influence is limited—maximum 80% effectiveness at best. So many external factors control outcomes. Do you really think you can just do whatever you want and always get results? Do you think you're the center of the universe?
Second, are you actually a practicing magician yourself, or are you just an armchair occultist?
About ethics: yes, magic involves ethics, but it's a metaphysical ethics, not the artificial moral codes imposed by human society. Some things humans label as "evil" are actually good or necessary from the perspective of higher realms—for example, natural disasters and wars serve a larger purpose. A lot of people get influenced by Nietzsche and then claim to have "transcended good and evil," but the good/evil Nietzsche criticized was specifically Christian slave morality, not the basic ethical principles shared across all human cultures.
Finally, regarding "modern" grimoires: what do you even mean by modern? The last 20 years, or the last 200 years?
I don't agree with you on this point, because many practitioners achieve results without sacrificing the things you mentioned. The only sacrifices they truly make are their time, their relationships, and their personal pleasures.
What about Bardon practitioners, Golden Dawn practitioners, Stephen Skinner (who practices Goetia and Solomonic magic—many people consider that "black magic"), and Enochian magicians? None of them typically make the kind of offerings or sacrifices you're talking about.
Regarding giving material sacrifices to spirits: many experienced practitioners debunk that idea. Spirits don't need physical offerings. That's precisely why we constrain and command them to do what we want. The grimoires you're referring to are a minority among dozens of others. They do not represent a universal rule that magic only works if you do the disturbing or "disgusting" things you described. A grimoire is essentially just a personal journal—highly subjective, written by one individual. It is not objective truth.
Moreover, no matter what kind of magic you practice, its influence is limited—maximum 80% effectiveness at best. So many external factors control outcomes. Do you really think you can just do whatever you want and always get results? Do you think you're the center of the universe?
Second, are you actually a practicing magician yourself, or are you just an armchair occultist?
About ethics: yes, magic involves ethics, but it's a metaphysical ethics, not the artificial moral codes imposed by human society. Some things humans label as "evil" are actually good or necessary from the perspective of higher realms—for example, natural disasters and wars serve a larger purpose. A lot of people get influenced by Nietzsche and then claim to have "transcended good and evil," but the good/evil Nietzsche criticized was specifically Christian slave morality, not the basic ethical principles shared across all human cultures.
Finally, regarding "modern" grimoires: what do you even mean by modern? The last 20 years, or the last 200 years?
@whatever0935, You do not have to agree with me on any point, unless you A) have navigated the DarkWeb (TOR) then you have no Idea what is out there, in comparison to whats available on the regular web and B) Your argument of "Many practitioners" is also moot as you will be unable to provide a single practitioner who can actually perform magic. Each group in which you make reference A) does not live today (Golden Dawn was founded in 1887 and identified as Cerimonial practitioners and all information available has been filtered and edited by later editors after the order was disolved. A fun exercise on this is ask ChatGPT or Gemini "are there any authentic books on the golden dawn available today?" the response you will get is "Yes — there areauthentic books available today that contain the teachings, rituals, and foundational material of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, though much of what’s published is filtered through later editors, reconstructions, or materials released after the original order dissolved" then ask who was the later editors who edited the material and you will see the earliest available published material was by Israel Regardie in 1937 (so one must ask themselves if the published material is authentic why was it published in 1937? and not when the order existed?) Israel Regardie was jewish. He was not a practitioner of the dark arts but studied jewish mysticism. Then we get to another later editor R. A. Gilbert, member of the English Church, again not a practitioner of the dark arts. He was a Librarian/historian/bibliographer So once again, Dark arts material being filtered, edited and reconstructed by a non-practitioner in connection with the church. The same goes for every single group and all their published materials (which is a vast majority to cover, but as I have already studied each and every one I can attest, they all have been edited/reconstructed/filtered by someone connected to the church (Christian/Catholic) by non practitioners. The purpose of this is to eliminate actual practices (child sacrafices/etc) from those practices in order to dilute and missinform any potential readers. The original manuscripts from the Golden dawn order are held by the Museum of freemasonry in London UK which schollars (such as myself) can view under strict supervision. Can you take a guess what the orginal manuscripts illustrate in ritual practices? go ahead guess? Thats right, child sacrafice and animal sacrafice. You're argument is "the edited/filtered and reconstructed versions available today do not illustrate child sacrafice" while completely ignoring one cannot publish any material that illustrates how-to on child or animal sacrafices, its illegal. So the modern books in which you can find, will not illustrate such, because once again, it is illegal to publish said material (do not believe me as AI). The Museum of Freemasonry, is in and of itself not a religious orgnanization (on paper) however to be a member you must believe in a supreme being (God) regardless of whatever faith you are. Kind of a religious requirement. The original manuscripts cannot be accessed by any means other than in person viewing, by a certified schollar. every other group you illustrate are the same both in editing and in requirements to view original documentation/manuscripts for which I have personally viewed. I have studied the occult for over 2 decades, I have a Masters in Theology, PdH in Psychology, as well as various other degrees of note, but in unrelated fields. Every single group, in its orginal unedited teachings illustrate child sacrafice or animal sacrafice in ritualistic/Spiritual practices. None of which has ever been proven to be effective or actually work. There are no practitioners today who can perform magic, etc. As A) none claiming they can can prove it and B) its not real. I agree with you on the two examples are a minority in the vast volume of information out there, the difference however is both the original copies from the original witches are available on the dark web unedited (as well as a vast trove of other information) where as the examples you provide (all) published material available has been edited/reconstructed/filtered/etc a multitude of times. That in and of itself is proof the materials available are not A) Original and B) excludes text or information from the original writtings. Its like the childhood game telephone, you have 20 children standing in a circle and whisper something in one childs ear and have them do the same down the line, by the time the original person hears word from the last person, it is not what was originally said. I have traveled all over the world in search of actual magic/practitioners/etc, to see Magic performed or to debunk said practitioners. Never once Have I seen actual magic performed. I have seen illusion performed (that in the art of illusion by magicians (magic tricks)) as I learned magic tricks under the tutelage from Lance Burton and Doug Henney (two Magicians (TV/stage magicians). This allowed me a unique perspective in spotting scams and scam artists (which every single "practitioner" was). Lastly, I Did perform every single spell, ritual, etc illustrated by every group studied in the publicly available information, none work. I have never attempted any spell, ritual, etc that required child sacrafice or animal sacrafice as its practice is illegal. Yet as a child my fascination with magic drove me to search for it, my failure to find it, simply illustrated the undeniable fact, it doesn't exist. My research has been funded by church groups, LeVayan Satanist church, private benefactors, etc. Modern is arguably anything from the last 100 years however anything that has been reconstructed/edited/filtered/etc from its original text is modern.
