Book Discussion Lucifer and the Hidden Demons book It works but

[enterthedragon369]

I have been working with the book now for about three years. Theordore Rose's system of contacting demons has been working well. It's path working. A few things are changing as to how I feel about the system. For instance, today I worked with Lucifer, Ariton, Amayon and Irasomin on helping me emerge from a crisis unharmed. As soon as I did the ritual I got a "related to my situation" answer (plus a suggestion) that was perfect and resolved everything. The demon Irasomin spoke that I could hear. I thank him for the help.

Yet, this was a first time that one of the demons gave such a quick answer. The author Charlie Rose writes in the book that demons do not need offerings ,and that it is enough that the demons get a chance to use their abilities. I do give the offerings since I didn't feel connected to NOT giving. Now, today, since the answer was so quick, I felt to give an even greater offering.

The author has his own ides about demons, what they are, how to work with them. The author also has some disagreements with how westerners work with demons. I didn't get much into this part. I'm still new at doing magic. I was and am just happy the system works for me.
The path workings are pleasant to do, their old three or four lines. The rituals are short. And for me, answers come within a week, a month or even 6 months but answers have always come.

One thing I do know, I would NOT suggest to myself when I was a total, day one beginner. I came to magick a handful of years ago, and the books I started with are New Avatar Power, Mystic Grimoire and one or two of gallery of Magic books plus Lucifer and the Hidden Demons. These books gave me a way to start getting results with magick which was good. BUT without saying too much... there were some problems along the way that could have been more serous then they were. And, if I were to start this study of magick again from the beginning, I would be happy to start slow and steady, learning complete basics before jumping into using a book like " Lucifer and the Hidden Demons". And baneful work using this book, has its curious , and often dangerous complexities along with its successes.

But, we are all free to do as we want in the end, we aren't in church anymore lol.

 

[Morell]

Impressive experience. You really walked quite a bit of the path.

Looking back, I would change damn a lot of things, but that is unimportant. Important is to focus on working now and going forward on improving. We got where we are after all and as long as we can move forward, it is at least not complete waste. It's worth something.

 

[FindingTruth]

Anything (occult wise) you can find available on the web is filtered out, edited or simply hogwash. The Dark web (TOR) is the only source available that offers unredacted, unfiltered, unedited information on the occult. Government restrictions prevent anything in relation to the actual occult from being released to the public. Learn to surf the dark web (TOR browser) and when you get a hang on how to traverse. Historical context is really the only value one can acquire from studying the occult (even with the context from the dark web) as witch craft, etc is not real. There is one guy Anthony Harris, who provides edited copies of actual witch craft manuals, from actual women accused of witch craft and executed. Romani Oracle by Margareta Rhoda he has posted on Amazon (Free on KU) He edits out harmful practices but leaves in the actual practices of Cartomancy, potion making, spell casting (non harmful), etc. from the Original text Romani Oracle 1889 by Margareta Rhoda.

I do not know if Amazon allows you to contact sellers directly (unless you've purchased a product) but he also has Devil's Maleficium 1707 by Janet Horne (Scottish woman accused of witch craft) I believe he is currently editing out and waiting gov approval for public release. As well as over a dozen of other historical books and documents on witch craft. He has studied the occult over 2 decades and is one of 10 people the Vatican actually permitted into their own archives (which is the largest trove of the occult in the world). The best source of the occult is that written by actual people executed by gov/states/people/etc. who were actual practitioners. You can find unedited versions of both these books illustrated here on the dark web.

The grotesque nature of the practices will shock the conscious (child sacrifices explained in great detail, demon summoning, etc) The vast majority of witch craft practices involve animal or child sacrifice. Now a days when you read a book written by some modern author on witch craft you get three things that are utterly false A) magic isn't evil and there's good magic (no there is neutral magic and dark magic use of either condemns one's soul, neutral magic is simply magic that doesn't harm) B) what one casts has equal payment (very few actually explain whatever one casts its returned in x3) C) all practices tax the soul (eat away at your soul) or if a sacrafice is used (consumes that soul).

The older the material the better.

 

[enterthedragon369]

Impressive experience. You really walked quite a bit of the path.

Looking back, I would change damn a lot of things, but that is unimportant. Important is to focus on working now and going forward on improving. We got where we are after all and as long as we can move forward, it is at least not complete waste. It's worth something.

Thanks, I agree with you. Focus on what's working now, move forward. No, it is not a complete waste but worth something.

 

[techniquea2z]

The Dark web (TOR) is the only source available that offers unredacted, unfiltered, unedited information on the occult. Government restrictions prevent anything in relation to the actual occult from being released to the public. Learn to surf the dark web (TOR browser) and when you get a hang on how to traverse.

DM me the .onion. Just looking for grimoires here.

 

[whatever0935]

Anything (occult wise) you can find available on the web is filtered out, edited or simply hogwash. The Dark web (TOR) is the only source available that offers unredacted, unfiltered, unedited information on the occult. Government restrictions prevent anything in relation to the actual occult from being released to the public. Learn to surf the dark web (TOR browser) and when you get a hang on how to traverse. Historical context is really the only value one can acquire from studying the occult (even with the context from the dark web) as witch craft, etc is not real. There is one guy Anthony Harris, who provides edited copies of actual witch craft manuals, from actual women accused of witch craft and executed. Romani Oracle by Margareta Rhoda he has posted on Amazon (Free on KU) He edits out harmful practices but leaves in the actual practices of Cartomancy, potion making, spell casting (non harmful), etc. from the Original text Romani Oracle 1889 by Margareta Rhoda.

I do not know if Amazon allows you to contact sellers directly (unless you've purchased a product) but he also has Devil's Maleficium 1707 by Janet Horne (Scottish woman accused of witch craft) I believe he is currently editing out and waiting gov approval for public release. As well as over a dozen of other historical books and documents on witch craft. He has studied the occult over 2 decades and is one of 10 people the Vatican actually permitted into their own archives (which is the largest trove of the occult in the world). The best source of the occult is that written by actual people executed by gov/states/people/etc. who were actual practitioners. You can find unedited versions of both these books illustrated here on the dark web.

The grotesque nature of the practices will shock the conscious (child sacrifices explained in great detail, demon summoning, etc) The vast majority of witch craft practices involve animal or child sacrifice. Now a days when you read a book written by some modern author on witch craft you get three things that are utterly false A) magic isn't evil and there's good magic (no there is neutral magic and dark magic use of either condemns one's soul, neutral magic is simply magic that doesn't harm) B) what one casts has equal payment (very few actually explain whatever one casts its returned in x3) C) all practices tax the soul (eat away at your soul) or if a sacrafice is used (consumes that soul).

The older the material the better.

Anything (occult wise) you can find available on the web is filtered out, edited or simply hogwash. The Dark web (TOR) is the only source available that offers unredacted, unfiltered, unedited information on the occult. Government restrictions prevent anything in relation to the actual occult from being released to the public. Learn to surf the dark web (TOR browser) and when you get a hang on how to traverse. Historical context is really the only value one can acquire from studying the occult (even with the context from the dark web) as witch craft, etc is not real. There is one guy Anthony Harris, who provides edited copies of actual witch craft manuals, from actual women accused of witch craft and executed. Romani Oracle by Margareta Rhoda he has posted on Amazon (Free on KU) He edits out harmful practices but leaves in the actual practices of Cartomancy, potion making, spell casting (non harmful), etc. from the Original text Romani Oracle 1889 by Margareta Rhoda.

I do not know if Amazon allows you to contact sellers directly (unless you've purchased a product) but he also has Devil's Maleficium 1707 by Janet Horne (Scottish woman accused of witch craft) I believe he is currently editing out and waiting gov approval for public release. As well as over a dozen of other historical books and documents on witch craft. He has studied the occult over 2 decades and is one of 10 people the Vatican actually permitted into their own archives (which is the largest trove of the occult in the world). The best source of the occult is that written by actual people executed by gov/states/people/etc. who were actual practitioners. You can find unedited versions of both these books illustrated here on the dark web.

The grotesque nature of the practices will shock the conscious (child sacrifices explained in great detail, demon summoning, etc) The vast majority of witch craft practices involve animal or child sacrifice. Now a days when you read a book written by some modern author on witch craft you get three things that are utterly false A) magic isn't evil and there's good magic (no there is neutral magic and dark magic use of either condemns one's soul, neutral magic is simply magic that doesn't harm) B) what one casts has equal payment (very few actually explain whatever one casts its returned in x3) C) all practices tax the soul (eat away at your soul) or if a sacrafice is used (consumes that soul).

The older the material the better.

I don't agree with you on this point, because many practitioners achieve results without sacrificing the things you mentioned. The only sacrifices they truly make are their time, their relationships, and their personal pleasures.
What about Bardon practitioners, Golden Dawn practitioners, Stephen Skinner (who practices Goetia and Solomonic magic—many people consider that "black magic"), and Enochian magicians? None of them typically make the kind of offerings or sacrifices you're talking about.
Regarding giving material sacrifices to spirits: many experienced practitioners debunk that idea. Spirits don't need physical offerings. That's precisely why we constrain and command them to do what we want. The grimoires you're referring to are a minority among dozens of others. They do not represent a universal rule that magic only works if you do the disturbing or "disgusting" things you described. A grimoire is essentially just a personal journal—highly subjective, written by one individual. It is not objective truth.
Moreover, no matter what kind of magic you practice, its influence is limited—maximum 80% effectiveness at best. So many external factors control outcomes. Do you really think you can just do whatever you want and always get results? Do you think you're the center of the universe?
Second, are you actually a practicing magician yourself, or are you just an armchair occultist?
About ethics: yes, magic involves ethics, but it's a metaphysical ethics, not the artificial moral codes imposed by human society. Some things humans label as "evil" are actually good or necessary from the perspective of higher realms—for example, natural disasters and wars serve a larger purpose. A lot of people get influenced by Nietzsche and then claim to have "transcended good and evil," but the good/evil Nietzsche criticized was specifically Christian slave morality, not the basic ethical principles shared across all human cultures.
Finally, regarding "modern" grimoires: what do you even mean by modern? The last 20 years, or the last 200 years?

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