Magick practising Christians?

[Konsciencia]

I'm not a Christian but I admire the Jesus arquetype.

 

[MorganBlack]

. Would you be able to expand a bit more for each?

Sure thing. But this a simply gigantic, globe-spanning topic. Just to hit a few highlights.

There's this weird persistent myth among Protestants and "ex" Protestants that because the Catholic Church has a centralized administrative bureaucracy in Rome, all two billion Catholics across the earth are operating in lockstep. Anyone who has actually spent time inside Catholic culture, even down to the town and parish level, knows the reality is completely chaotic and deeply local.

Why there is a blind spot, I am not really sure. I think most occultists think in (bad) Neoplatonic terms and forget they have a body. At the level of the loca, where you have a body , is where you find spirits - of the land, culture, place, and books. And they live through us, and we are not the same cultures, and so we all resonate with different daimons and spirits predicated on our own local culture, history, climate, expectation, and temperament.

Suffice to say, I think the contact between the type of cultures exported from cold Northern countries puts a mark on people they can’t see. So, the chaotic sorcery and mysticism of Latin America Catholicism is almost totally different from the historical "Pay, Pray, and Obey" model of Irish Catholicism, particularly the version exported to the US in the 19th and 20th centuries , which is austere, heavily legalistic, and focused on institutional compliance.

Haitian, Brazilian, and Filipino Folk Catholicism are very similar to Mexican Catholicism. Whereas Bavarian/Austrian Alpine Catholicism is a hyper-traditional, highly entrenched establishment Kultur Catholicism. It’s tied to regional identity, folk festivals, and brass bands, and is similar to other European religious expressions like Irish Catholicism. The Sub-Saharan African, and Asian Catholicisms I've heard of but know little about

And then there is the Catholic Economic Left of Marxist Liberation Theology. Which adds yes another whole other dimension. Hardcore worker rights advocates there, which is why trans-national finance power really hates Catholics, not that they really care about "the gays". That's just PR. . The MIC is not a friend either, with their" gay-friendly" hellfire missiles. Catholics are also mostly anti-war and anti-death penalty. Oh no! But again this is encouraged by culture, not a straitjacket.

Then when you start diving down to the local level into a single parish in a single town . Even in the same pew, Catholics are very different. Sit in the back row of any local church on a Sunday and look at the people sharing the same bench:

One person is an old-school mystic who reads 16th-century Spanish Carmelites and treats the faith as an internal mystical castle. The person next to them is a political activist who views the entire Gospel strictly through the lens of structural liberation theology and class struggle. The person next to them is a hyper-rationalist who treats Thomas Aquinas like a programming language, while their own spouse is there purely for Mass nd maybe, more recently, some are TradCath ex-Protestants looking to turn the Church into a blood-and-soil European expressions. We are not the same.

 

[cormundum]

Traditional Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy are very magickal religions. The whole structure of pre-Reformation Christianity is initiatic and it is a direct descendant of the Graeco-Egyptian Mystery Cults. The main difference is that in our Mystery Cult, the Logos put on human flesh and initiated the Apostles who then went on to initiate everybody else.

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The crack like effects, for the maximum you have to be really connected to this system, or have super good overall openness. Then it hits really hard. The first time I thought I was going to collapse. This high lasts for about a week, maybe 2W. Consecutive days increase it. There is a problem, you can overload the whole system.

1) To get really connected to this system you have to work with the JP, gospels and psalms doing the big 1 to 150 method. Then it will connect you in a huge way.

2) Super-mega overall openness, aka the "chaotic exploding state", this can be achieved by working with 2 different systems, so let's say Christianity and islam mixed. This stacks, dissolves, replaces, connects, switches, until everything cracks completely open. You might regret the state because of instability. 50/50 approach and readings without solid structures break the overall connection open. Structured readings are like 1 to 150 psalms or full gospels, Quran cover to cover. Without structure, let's say reading one psalm 30x, random others, then taking random Quran chapters and spamming them. No system, no order. It will break the psyche as well over time.


The JP, 99 names and dhikr. Yes there is a huge difference. I perceive them as something completely different. When I take the Quran and dhikr and work with them for a while then it somewhat takes over the other connection. There is a lot of heat and some highly specific energy. Together, If I do it right, they complement each other.

Your references to dhikr remind me of praying the Jesus Prayer (Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me) over and over. You get to high enough numbers and you start tripping haaard.

 

[MorganBlack]

it is a direct descendant of the Graeco-Egyptian Mystery Cults.

Agreed!

I keep waiting for the hard link from Catholicism to Orphism to show up eventually. I mean it's all sitting right there. The damn things both look like the same religion just communicated using very surface-level but different cultural vernaculars.

We also don't have to wait for a theological and shamanic equivalent to Piltdown Man to link them up. The current consensus among modern historians of religion suggests Orphic and Catholicism represent the same shifts in human consciousness in the Mediterranean basin we are still "in" today.

Until then the classic civic Greek pagan religion was transactional. You sacrifice a bull to Zeus so he doesn't strike your crops with lightning. Orphism, emerged around the 6th century BCE introduced an entirely new vocabulary of the soul that early Christian theologians naturally adopted. We're still living in that same world.

 

[slim116]

Sure thing. But this a simply gigantic, globe-spanning topic. Just to hit a few highlights.

There's this weird persistent myth among Protestants and "ex" Protestants that because the Catholic Church has a centralized administrative bureaucracy in Rome, all two billion Catholics across the earth are operating in lockstep. Anyone who has actually spent time inside Catholic culture, even down to the town and parish level, knows the reality is completely chaotic and deeply local.

Why there is a blind spot, I am not really sure. I think most occultists think in (bad) Neoplatonic terms and forget they have a body. At the level of the loca, where you have a body , is where you find spirits - of the land, culture, place, and books. And they live through us, and we are not the same cultures, and so we all resonate with different daimons and spirits predicated on our own local culture, history, climate, expectation, and temperament.

Suffice to say, I think the contact between the type of cultures exported from cold Northern countries puts a mark on people they can’t see. So, the chaotic sorcery and mysticism of Latin America Catholicism is almost totally different from the historical "Pay, Pray, and Obey" model of Irish Catholicism, particularly the version exported to the US in the 19th and 20th centuries , which is austere, heavily legalistic, and focused on institutional compliance.

Haitian, Brazilian, and Filipino Folk Catholicism are very similar to Mexican Catholicism. Whereas Bavarian/Austrian Alpine Catholicism is a hyper-traditional, highly entrenched establishment Kultur Catholicism. It’s tied to regional identity, folk festivals, and brass bands, and is similar to other European religious expressions like Irish Catholicism. The Sub-Saharan African, and Asian Catholicisms I've heard of but know little about

And then there is the Catholic Economic Left of Marxist Liberation Theology. Which adds yes another whole other dimension. Hardcore worker rights advocates there, which is why trans-national finance power really hates Catholics, not that they really care about "the gays". That's just PR. . The MIC is not a friend either, with their" gay-friendly" hellfire missiles. Catholics are also mostly anti-war and anti-death penalty. Oh no! But again this is encouraged by culture, not a straitjacket.

Then when you start diving down to the local level into a single parish in a single town . Even in the same pew, Catholics are very different. Sit in the back row of any local church on a Sunday and look at the people sharing the same bench:

One person is an old-school mystic who reads 16th-century Spanish Carmelites and treats the faith as an internal mystical castle. The person next to them is a political activist who views the entire Gospel strictly through the lens of structural liberation theology and class struggle. The person next to them is a hyper-rationalist who treats Thomas Aquinas like a programming language, while their own spouse is there purely for Mass nd maybe, more recently, some are TradCath ex-Protestants looking to turn the Church into a blood-and-soil European expressions. We are not the same.

Thanks for taking the time. Dayum, Catholicism is so vast.

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The crack like effects, for the maximum you have to be really connected to this system, or have super good overall openness. Then it hits really hard. The first time I thought I was going to collapse. This high lasts for about a week, maybe 2W. Consecutive days increase it. There is a problem, you can overload the whole system.

1) To get really connected to this system you have to work with the JP, gospels and psalms doing the big 1 to 150 method. Then it will connect you in a huge way.

2) Super-mega overall openness, aka the "chaotic exploding state", this can be achieved by working with 2 different systems, so let's say Christianity and islam mixed. This stacks, dissolves, replaces, connects, switches, until everything cracks completely open. You might regret the state because of instability. 50/50 approach and readings without solid structures break the overall connection open. Structured readings are like 1 to 150 psalms or full gospels, Quran cover to cover. Without structure, let's say reading one psalm 30x, random others, then taking random Quran chapters and spamming them. No system, no order. It will break the psyche as well over time.


The JP, 99 names and dhikr. Yes there is a huge difference. I perceive them as something completely different. When I take the Quran and dhikr and work with them for a while then it somewhat takes over the other connection. There is a lot of heat and some highly specific energy. Together, If I do it right, they complement each other.


JP and working with gospels/communion, the effects are longer lasting, this energy high is profound. I feel more depth. Maybe this is because I have done a lot more work with the Christian stuff. There is also more stability compared to Quran. Quran and dhikr worked stronger when I was in the #2 state "super mega overall openness" but I had to stop it because it turned way too chaotic.
I still do blend them together but really carefully, not to repeat the mistakes ever again.

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Yes, in the Orthodox churches. Somebody sells candles, incense, icons, books, beads, maybe even oils.

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Yes exactly, tons of them. People who have gone completely crazy. I like to visit the churches during off times when nobody is there. Maybe after the morning service. Different churches, cathedrals, they might be open all days long.

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Yes many really screwed up priests, deacons. Some of them are quite nice though. I just dislike their attitudes towards other faiths and beliefs. The power and control. Silly people believe in whatever they say and follow everything word to word without thinking on their own. I just went there only to cultivate energy, for the benefits, discarding all the useless whatever was thrown at me.

Thanks for sharing your practices. Super interesting methods, and using both religions is hardcore. The psyche split must be immense. Im AuDHD and i tend to start 5 different currents then burn out, then purge, then start from scratch again with one current again... then eventually i start more. Probably different from what your talking about since it seems you go deep into 2 religions, instead of scattering with 5.

Been doing jesus prayers with my own modified prayer beads, i got to say, i am addicted. Instead of checking my phone in down times, i just smash out a 100 JPs. Its not like a hard hit ofenergy, but i feel strangely peaceful and want more.

I am also doing mantra alongside to attain siddhi, doing 1000x "shreem" for 10 days. I hit a block where my mind just didnt want to do it anymore around 700, but i pushed on, then eventually it became a mean rush.

 

[solxyz]

Ive worked with Demons, Pagan Gods, and all sorts of spirits. But never really felt the immense grounding compared to Christ, so i recently reconnected with the Spirit of Christ.

I don't consider myself a Christian anymore, but I know what you mean here. The Eucharist is one of the most powerful magics I have experienced, and extraordinarily beautiful. Somehow, despite all the failings of the church, something incredibly pure and selflessly loving still lives at the heart of it all. I just can't deal with any of the rest of it anymore.

 

[Elydrasil]

I'm also Christian and into magic. I even studied theology and wanted to become a priest. Is it an Opposition? I wouldn't answer that too quickly. Many would justify themselve (what all people do all the time) by stating: It's Not opposition. There are radical Christian opinions, but they aren't true. I don't think so according to the bible. It's still at least some contradiction. And that's OK.

 

[Amadeus]

Your references to dhikr remind me of praying the Jesus Prayer (Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me) over and over. You get to high enough numbers and you start tripping haaard.

A great idea is to try different languages, Latin, Greek, Old Slavonic. The Greek short version is very strong. Yes the tripping is interesting, very nice meditative state. Each one of them might need some time though.

Probably different from what your talking about since it seems you go deep into 2 religions, instead of scattering with 5.

I did it with 5 too, random Hindu and Buddhist whatever practices. It was not really going that well though, too much error 404 brain not found. There were times everything was fine but then the bad effects kicked in. If you do 2 then better stick to 80-90% and 10-20%.

Its not like a hard hit ofenergy, but i feel strangely peaceful

This will get a lot more intense over time. Counting is not really necessary, in fact it can make things harder because you focus on the numbers.
Another good idea is to get a small water bottle and hold it while reciting, then drink it. This charges it.

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The most profound effects come if you do it around the clock, very long sessions but this should not be approached right away, after 3/4/5/6/7 years. The biggest game changers are retreat mode spam fests. Let's say at first when you want to establish a strong connection recite it from morning to midnight. It goes through like fire but then after some point you feel so one with the energy that it cannot overload anymore. With the JP it can be done. With psalms I noticed it cannot, they will overload something.

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It has all the good effects. You learn to focus on something. You process both the energy and information by endlessly reciting the line. By shutting down thoughts you can get into very interesting states. It relaxes the mind, makes you feel peace and harmony.
It also seems to bring very clear dreams, easier to remember them. A better refreshed feeling in the mornings. This happens once you have cleared yourself and the JP goes right through. Before it can stack behind the barrier.
One indicator is feeling how a champagne bottle explodes. Then you become in a higher connection with it, with everything.

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The relaxing mind part, at first the processing of energy and text can be overwhelming. Then something will click. I call them hidden milestones. It has something to do with the neuro pathways in brain.

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It seems to clear out the middle energy channel, from bottom to top chakras. Then something inside the third eye and crown chakras. The energy penetrates through the third eye and top sides both at once. This is where the effects will become very intense.
The more pressure you apply the faster these things get cleared out but doing it too fast will make you feel too much. This is why it's a good idea to gradually increase and once the time is right, blast through in retreat mode.

 

[Shade]

Christianity is a lot of repetition and inner belief, I think the early Christians borrowed a lot from Hermeticism as Ennoia and Sophia is very reminiscent of "Life and Light" Pymander communicated to Hermes when asked how the righteous and wise gain eternal life. in the text "the thought of Norea" it speaks of making two names into one.
If you look at their rendition of the fall of Sophia mimics the aspect of Eve taking a bite of the forbidden fruit, only they took everything and made it into a very rudimentary story and externalized everything when Yeshua clearly states the kingdom of Heaven is within, they let greed and materialism weaken the spirit and inner actualization.

Many of the psalms like psalm 91 and in verse 13 it mentions trampling the lion and serpent which in early Christian gnostic versions are the 2 creatures that make up the image of Yaldabaoth. "On the Creation of the world" text it says that Sabaoth was an archon that defied the Demiurge and was rewarded with a place in heaven which he felt he was undeserving of but The true God was pleased with his actions against the demiurge through the use of discernment, and to make up for his sins it says "Sabaoth" sent his son as a sacrifice. In the PGM (Papyri Grecae Magicae) you can even find references to "Sabaoth Yhwh".
^ I say this to point out all the inner workings of Christianity that was hid and has misguided the church by limiting the ineffable God.

In short, there are esoteric Christian belief systems like the Rosicrucian tradition.
Prayer and repitition works a lot on belief as Yeshua even said to the woman who claimed he healed her that it was not him who healed her but her belief in him.

There is a lot to do with the number 7 like opening of the 7 scrolls, Mary having 7 Demons cast out of her ect that seems to relate to Hinduism or at least eastern chakra systems.
Esoteric Christianity is about purifying the Mind and Heart, reciting psalms, Prayer, Fasting and other acts of abstinence or obedience is a good way to reinforce your beliefs, thus gaining more control of your inner self and outward circumstances.

For further Hindu/Early Christian comparison I will leave this exceprt from the upanishads and after reading that, you can go to gnosis .org to look up "The Sophia of Jesus Christ" and see it is speaking about the same concept except Christ refers to the self as Adama and the Upanishads use the name "Atman"

"The realization of Atman.

(...) I am of the nature of consciousness.
I am made of consciousness and bliss.
I am nondual, pure in form, absolute knowledge, absolute love.
I am changeless, devoid of desire or anger, I am detached.
I am One Essence, unlimitedness, utter consciousness.
I am boundless Bliss, existence and transcendent Bliss.
I am the Atman, that revels in itself.
I am the Sacchidananda that is eternal, enlightened and pure."

— Tejobindu Upanishad, 3.1-3.12 (Abridged)[36][37]

 

[Brandon123]

I think Jerry Alan Johns

Heya, bit of a rant.

I was raised pretty hardcore Pentecostal Christian.

Ive had pretty amazing encounters with the Spirit of Christ, but left the church anyway because of a lot of hypocrisy, money focus, and a straight lack of spirituality. It was whole lotta performance, ego feeding, inner circle, cliquey, poetry competition disguised as prayer imo. And a whole bunch of other junk I'd rather not even get started on.

Funnily enough, my Christ experiences were the strongest when i left the church.

But years later i end up in the occult and magick, as i believe a lota exoteric (religion, church) is just community building and emphasis on keeping the machine (church) alive. I felt the esoteric may be a better shot at alignment with Divine, hence why the shift.

Ive worked with Demons, Pagan Gods, and all sorts of spirits. But never really felt the immense grounding compared to Christ, so i recently reconnected with the Spirit of Christ.

Still gonna practice magick, still gonna stay away from Churchianity. But dang it seems my church background has given me A LOT of fuel for magickal correpondences. So why waste something i already got? Might as well create a magickal practice on correspondences already hardwired in my brain.

I mean I'm the kind of person that believes the church does practise magick, just doesnt say it does. I mean the reverence and sacred silence you can feel at crescendo point of a Eucharist in Catholic and Eastern Orthodox, is amazing!

Eh no real point to the story, but I'm jist curious how many of you used to be or still are christian and practice magick?

Is your magick different to your church practice? (ie Pagan Gods for magick, the Trinity for church).

Do you hide your magick from your church associates?

And other ponderings or interesting things you've picked up in your travels, from this unique path.

I believe Jerry Alan Jo

Heya, bit of a rant.

I was raised pretty hardcore Pentecostal Christian.

Ive had pretty amazing encounters with the Spirit of Christ, but left the church anyway because of a lot of hypocrisy, money focus, and a straight lack of spirituality. It was whole lotta performance, ego feeding, inner circle, cliquey, poetry competition disguised as prayer imo. And a whole bunch of other junk I'd rather not even get started on.

Funnily enough, my Christ experiences were the strongest when i left the church.

But years later i end up in the occult and magick, as i believe a lota exoteric (religion, church) is just community building and emphasis on keeping the machine (church) alive. I felt the esoteric may be a better shot at alignment with Divine, hence why the shift.

Ive worked with Demons, Pagan Gods, and all sorts of spirits. But never really felt the immense grounding compared to Christ, so i recently reconnected with the Spirit of Christ.

Still gonna practice magick, still gonna stay away from Churchianity. But dang it seems my church background has given me A LOT of fuel for magickal correpondences. So why waste something i already got? Might as well create a magickal practice on correspondences already hardwired in my brain.

I mean I'm the kind of person that believes the church does practise magick, just doesnt say it does. I mean the reverence and sacred silence you can feel at crescendo point of a Eucharist in Catholic and Eastern Orthodox, is amazing!

Eh no real point to the story, but I'm jist curious how many of you used to be or still are christian and practice magick?

Is your magick different to your church practice? (ie Pagan Gods for magick, the Trinity for church).

Do you hide your magick from your church associates?

And other ponderings or interesting things you've picked up in your travels, from this unique path.

I believe Jerry Alan Johnson wrote a book about Christin Mysticism.

 

[Shade]

I'm not a Christian but I admire the Jesus arquetype.

Hasidic Judaism has a unique take on some of his miracles like at the “wedding” (Some esoteric minded people think this was more like a bridal chamber ceremony instead of an actual wedding) turning water into wine is an act of revealing the spirit within oneself. They think the persons essence is made of 3 parts
Water-Wine-Oil
Turning water into wine would be an alchemizatiin process of learning about a deeper aspect of themselves, this is kind of mimicked in another gospel I forget which one, where Yeshua asks
his disciples to describe him and thru all did except for Thomas and Thomas said forgive me but I am at a loss for words I cannot describe what you are like” and Yeshua said “you do not need to apologize for you have become drunk from the water of the stream you have been drinking from” meaning.. he has been understanding the teaching Yeshua has been teaching and it has resonated with his spirit leaving him at a loss for words.
So that is to say… the more I learn and understand the deeper my beliefs and understanding of him not just as the archetype but as a man who knew the light intimatelyc
and he was trying to explain what was beyond the cave by people distracted by shadows,

 

[MageJohn183]

slim116 said "But when i disconnect, i feel homeless in a soul level, like im in the frontier with no allies, wild west crap shoot, making dodgy alliances to survive, always looking over my shoulder."

Hello, I think what you are describing is the feeling that you get when you are 'deconstructing'. Your spiritual safety net is gone and you feel vulnerable. I was also hardcore Pentecostal for many years and just loved it, except for the church and everything else, lol. So trust me when I say I COMPLETELY understand this feeling. Your response was to go back to Jesus and I understand that. But Jesus has problems that will never be resolved so I did not want to do that for myself. My solution, which was damn scary at first, was to ground with the Earth. After I became comfortable with the Earth I later decided to trust my afterlife to Mother Earth. Is Mother Earth going to do you wrong? No way! You can ask her for allies that are NOT dodgy and she will help you, as a Mother would. Another option is to instead of thinking "Where will they send me when I die?" is to rather think 'Where have I decided that I want to go?" In other words, take charge of your afterlife and pursue the place you want to be. Yeah, I spent many years flowing in ALL the gifts of the HS. I get it. You tried 'Father God' already, see how Mother Earth is different. She is comforting in a way that that I never felt in church.

 

[Amadeus]

Here's something I've figured out over the years. I wrote about some but here's a longer reply.

This is useful if you're doing practices and visiting say Orthodox churches for whatever reasons.

The church is kind of loaded with the lamest, weirdest and also nastiest people you could possibly find. The negative energy can be very high. People who have good lives don't generally go there. There's a risk of catching problems without knowing what is going on. Especially in the Slavic churches.
Some churches melt the used candles, ones maybe somebody used for weird requests, they won't do anything good. This isn't always so common but I heard it's done more in Russia.
Old bats might attempt to do something not so nice. Attempting to do their craft on you.

Never under any circumstances answer to questions like what's the time, how many domes does the church have or take anything like items left there, icons, crosses, jewelry. People leave items on the table. Never buy candles if some old bat approaches you and asks for help cause she's tired or something.

Before entering mentally say, I came in health I leave in health.
If somebody pushes,.."what you sent me, take for yourself" also this one is another important phrase.
"I don't take what's not mine, I won't give what's mine"
Under no circumstances do not light any candles somebody left in the holder. They put them in but won't light. Don't light candles from other people's candles, use the central flame.
It's better to visit churches while there's nearly nobody there. Some places are open daily and others on the weekends, all days long.
Using headscarves they keep there, a bad idea.

It can be a place of power but you have to take precautions.