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I’d like you to try and understand the heart behind what and why I said what I did.Concepts of trinity as being three concepts combined in one are much older then the Christian theology that got crafted onto this ancient concept . If you want to see some of my collations and understandings on that , I have written extensively on it and have a post on the forum about it .
So it isnt that I am not comprehending the difficulty of the concept at all . Its just that you are unaware of its otherwise existence and projecting some type of ignorance about it on to me .
and that is one of those points I am making ; do you understand what a self-referential argument is ?
Agreed , this does not 'sound wise' at all . What you are saying basically is, you believe what scripture tells you to believe ... if you get to a point where it seems ridiculous , certain 'clauses' are invoked in an attempt to over rule that . I have to say that the 'because that is what scripture says ' position has no validity outside of the circles that ascribe to that indoctrination.
I hope you realize my above 'observations' were a joke and making fun of the 'standard explanations ' which, to an outsider, seem equally ludicrous .
and analogically I can say the same about physics, electro magnetism , etc . etc .
No, we are not wrong ! and the Bible is not our Litmus test .
This is getting close to proselytizing .
No need to , as that would just send you further into a 'self-referential argument ' .
Like arguing that the Bible is true because it says in the Bible it is true . . . and then quoting it from the Bible .
Maybe not . You are giving divine credit to a book that is clearly composed as a political move of cultist Yahwehists , orchestrated by Josiah in an attempt, from Judah, to take over the worship at the temple at Jerusalem and the north Kingdom of Israel which had been decimated by invasion, war and deportations - with many fleeing to Judah and suddenly boosting its population .
And clearly there is absolutely no evidence of a united great kingdom, before this and no great Solomon as depicted in the Bible .
But of course you will not accept that , as it doesn't say that in the Bible .
I can quote you from the Jewish BIble where it says Pharoah was speaking for God , the words of God came out of Phaoahs mouth , Josiah opposed him and God caused Josiah to be killed as punishment . Curious !
But I suppose you choose not to believe in that 'version ' .
Certainly ! ... and that, is why I looked into this , in depth, from many angles and sources and looked at the truth of the matter instead of just following along with my indoctrination and studying what was written in the Bible and not validly questioning it .
This is me sharing what I believe.
This is not me condemning you for not sharing what I believe.
As for specifying in each segment of my post that I hold these beliefs and opinions and so forth and acknowledge that they are my own, that seems overkill. I feel I acknowledged substantially enough for the sentiment to come across adequately.
We can agree to disagree, hold completely divergent perspectives, that is fine. Most people on here have many positions I disagree with, and I have zero issues with that. I also happen to love tact and realize that communication—especially via writing—is complex. Things can go awry very easily.
I will argue against the assertion that I am projecting anything negative or unseemly onto you as opposed to sharing in what I desired to be a mutually respectful manner. Frankly, I do not think you are being respectful. I feel you are offended and are crossing or tiptoeing along that invisible line. This is a discussion, not an interrogation of perspectives, and not even a discussion wherein people must state their source/s.
Clearly you have a different perspective than I do—and again, that’s fine, and I prefaced for this specific reason—but that is not a valid or good reason for antagonizing or speaking harshly to me on a personal level. I’d rather not be condemned for posting what I felt was relevant in a manner that I know had no ill intent.