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Michael Cecchetelli Sentenced To 4 Years In Prison (Aug 2022)

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Michael Cecchetelli, the author of my preferred grimoire The Crossed Keys as well as Chasing the Dragon, The Book of Abraxas, Holy Guardian Angel, and several chapters in anthologies like Conjure Codex was sentenced back in August (2022) to 4 years in prison. Some of you may remember his initial arrest back in 2019. He had admitted to being gang affiliated in the intro to Crossed Keys but stated it was behind him. Seems that was not the case as both he and his mob affiliated uncle were arrested in 2019. He was sentenced in Aug to 4 years. On another platform some were mocking Cecchetelli asking why didn't his magic save him. Well, I'd say it did save him. 4 years in prison after admitting to ordering hits on enemies and snitches and drug trafficking along with racketeering, is a pretty light sentence. I'm willing to bet his magic (or the magic of someone close to him) helped him get the soft sentencing. Thoughts?

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People are complex beings because they are affected by a thousand dynamics, personal, Social and cultural.
It is always difficult to walk with your head held high and it is always a sacrifice to get to the situation in order to do so. It is life, inevitable in its history and in its course that leaves you no escape and does not allow you to forget or pretend. Here I do not want to enter into the judgment of the person as I do not know enough and personally I have never known him.
Nevertheless, I can definitely attest that as an occultist, he is really brilliant. One of the best works that in my short experience I have had the opportunity to read is the book by Abrasax, it has really put effort and research, all things that I can not help but appreciate.
 

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Michael Cecchetelli, the author of my preferred grimoire The Crossed Keys as well as Chasing the Dragon, The Book of Abraxas, Holy Guardian Angel, and several chapters in anthologies like Conjure Codex was sentenced back in August (2022) to 4 years in prison. Some of you may remember his initial arrest back in 2019. He had admitted to being gang affiliated in the intro to Crossed Keys but stated it was behind him. Seems that was not the case as both he and his mob affiliated uncle were arrested in 2019. He was sentenced in Aug to 4 years. On another platform some were mocking Cecchetelli asking why didn't his magic save him. Well, I'd say it did save him. 4 years in prison after admitting to ordering hits on enemies and snitches and drug trafficking along with racketeering, is a pretty light sentence. I'm willing to bet his magic (or the magic of someone close to him) helped him get the soft sentencing. Thoughts?

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I believe magick certainly helped him along the way in the sentencing.
 
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Michael Cecchetelli, the author of my preferred grimoire The Crossed Keys as well as Chasing the Dragon, The Book of Abraxas, Holy Guardian Angel, and several chapters in anthologies like Conjure Codex was sentenced back in August (2022) to 4 years in prison. Some of you may remember his initial arrest back in 2019. He had admitted to being gang affiliated in the intro to Crossed Keys but stated it was behind him. Seems that was not the case as both he and his mob affiliated uncle were arrested in 2019. He was sentenced in Aug to 4 years. On another platform some were mocking Cecchetelli asking why didn't his magic save him. Well, I'd say it did save him. 4 years in prison after admitting to ordering hits on enemies and snitches and drug trafficking along with racketeering, is a pretty light sentence. I'm willing to bet his magic (or the magic of someone close to him) helped him get the soft sentencing. Thoughts?

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Why didn't he just use his magic to do the hits instead of ordering hitters?

Then he'd have nothing to admit to lol.

All of his enemies should have died in accidents or something.

On another note, his books must not have sold very well if he was still involved in crime.
 
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Why didn't he just use his magic to do the hits instead of ordering hitters?

Then he'd have nothing to admit to lol.

All of his enemies should have died in accidents or something.

On another note, his books must not have sold very well if he was still involved in crime.
By and large, occult books don’t make a ton of money for the author.
 

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Wtf....a mgcn in the prison....(?)....HGA ,it's a great book.....but why does a mgcn need to deal with with things outside the law.....Operation Throne Down. Are you shure that it is not someone with the same name?
 

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Wtf....a mgcn in the prison....(?)
Just a very few research examples of Magi who ran into serious legal problems up to and including imprisonment or worse:
Apuleius of Madaura
Cornelius Agrippa
Jerome Cardan
John Dee
Edward Kelley
Girodano Bruno
Tomasso Campanella
Cagliostro
Eliphas Levi
 

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Why didn't he just use his magic to do the hits instead of ordering hitters?

Then he'd have nothing to admit to lol.

All of his enemies should have died in accidents or something.

On another note, his books must not have sold very well if he was still involved in crime.
What do you think this is, Harry Potter and Secret Chambers of Elementriloquist? You are a sad case.
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Its so hillarious to see someone who can't even manage to keep their thoughts in line knows so much about what real magick is sonehow.... Grow up.
 

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OK... Eliphas Levi, what he did?
He wrote a book on Christian Revolutionary Socialism called "The Bible of Freedom." The authorities didn't like it. Got him 8 months in jail.
 

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Well, I'd say it did save him. 4 years in prison after admitting to ordering hits on enemies and snitches and drug trafficking along with racketeering, is a pretty light sentence. I'm willing to bet his magic (or the magic of someone close to him) helped him get the soft sentencing. Thoughts?
Yes i believe so, if it weren't for magick his sentence would prob be higher.

And i wasn't aware that the author was a gangboii.
How did the gang members react to him realising such books? That is what strikes me. Does Michael have contact with EA?
 

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This guy had a big operation. King Merlin is a suitable nickname. When you do stuff like this sooner or later you will get caught. Word just gets around. Even if you're clean, some cops will plant evidence if they think you're guilty.
 
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What do you think this is, Harry Potter and Secret Chambers of Elementriloquist? You are a sad case.
Oh no, here it comes lol.

More BS rationalizations of:
"Magic can't do that. You can only do mundane things without a time constraint, that can more easily be attributed to personal effort or random chance (luck), and conveniently cannot be observed or tested"

Its so hillarious to see someone who can't even manage to keep their thoughts in line knows so much about what real magick is sonehow.... Grow up.
What's your idea of "real magick"?

Does my description in bold text above fit?
 

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Does my description in bold text above fit?
Not at all. But if you really think magic will open every single door out there for you ...

I mean, its clear you think that way, hell, all you do is think anyways. If you could clear your mind for a second maybe you would experience what real magick is... But maybe I expect too much from you.

Nevermind the maybe part, in second thought.
 
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Not at all. But if you really think magic will open every single door out there for you ...
If you could clear your mind for a second maybe you would experience what real magick is..
If you could improve your gaslighting skills, maybe lines like this would work in getting the person to forget the important question they asked you that you clearly want to dodge lol. Nice attempt at deflecting but you're not as smart as you think you are.

I'll ask again (quoting myself), and I'll be even more specific this time.
What's your idea of "real magick"?
  • How does it work
  • What are the limitations seeing as it won't "open every single door out there for you"

Don't even bother replying to me if you don't answer the question, I'll just add you to my ignore list if you do, I didn't come here to interact with trolls, and your response reads like an obvious troll.

All you did was try to tip toe away from the main question and gaslight to bait me into some kind of "insult contest", go try that with somebody else.

That first line from you that I quoted is the definition of a "non-answer". Instead of simply stating what "doors" magic can't "open" (an actual answer), you decide to post some useless drivel with some pause for dramatic effect (which just makes you look like some kind of larp obsessed with theatrics).
 
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To change by your will your consciousness to adapt to manipulated energy through thought and word.
I Am employed already.
I am going to get my work clothes ready.
I Am going to the workplace.
I am going to talk with the manager.
I have the job already.
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Doors it most likely won't open:
The RM/DM/GM jobs.
Probably not the job someone currently employed holds.
Jobs at competitors without same approach.
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Now, someone was sentenced to prison. Someone with enough of a rep to be noticed by the forum. 2600 probably took notice of him and zlib. Point is, magic works well, so does penetration work. The question is how far can the magic work in some cases.
But I can only go so far without encountering resistance of a force of some kind .. one perhaps I am not familiar with.
 
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If you could improve your gaslighting skills, maybe lines like this would work in getting the person to forget the important question they asked you that you clearly want to dodge lol. Nice attempt at deflecting but you're not as smart as you think you are.

I'll ask again (quoting myself), and I'll be even more specific this time.

  • How does it work
  • What are the limitations seeing as it won't "open every single door out there for you"

Don't even bother replying to me if you don't answer the question, I'll just add you to my ignore list if you do, I didn't come here to interact with trolls, and your response reads like an obvious troll.

All you did was try to tip toe away from the main question and gaslight to bait me into some kind of "insult contest", go try that with somebody else.

That first line from you that I quoted is the definition of a "non-answer". Instead of simply stating what "doors" magic can't "open" (an actual answer), you decide to post some useless drivel with some pause for dramatic effect (which just makes you look like some kind of larp obsessed with theatrics).
You tell me that I am a larper, while believing magick can do anything.

Magick can not make impossible, possible. Sorry, thats not how it works. Does your tiny mind not get that?

Your enemies won't just drop dead because you used magick. All of this is probability manipulation.

You are living in a weird fantasy that you will do anything with magick and live the life like Andrew Tate for a while or something.

No, mundane effort isn't always neccesary. Mundane effort does help, however. One hand vs two hands.

Peter Carroll said 35% of his attempts work.

Physical realm is limitation. A persons willpower, their occult skills, what kind of an operation was used, probability of the event happening, how resistant the other people are....

Satisfied? Do keep me on your ignore list. I couldn't be more happier.
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To change by your will your consciousness to adapt to manipulated energy through thought and word.
I Am employed already.
I am going to get my work clothes ready.
I Am going to the workplace.
I am going to talk with the manager.
I have the job already.
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Doors it most likely won't open:
The RM/DM/GM jobs.
Probably not the job someone currently employed holds.
Jobs at competitors without same approach.
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Now, someone was sentenced to prison. Someone with enough of a rep to be noticed by the forum. 2600 probably took notice of him and zlib. Point is, magic works well, so does penetration work. The question is how far can the magic work in some cases.
But I can only go so far without encountering resistance of a force of some kind .. one perhaps I am not familiar with.
The best feat of magick I have seen in my research was the Burning monk. The guy just kept a meditating posture until he turned into a pile of charcoal. Google it. This is one undeniable feat that can't be debunked as a video trick or anything, since the guy burned to his death while sitting in peace.

If there is real magick that right there is the one. And to get that point I am sure you need to devote your entire life, in solitude, leaving everything behind.
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Now it would be weird to think magick can not get you riches or kill someone.

But there is a difference between it 'may' and it 'will' which implies it works every single time, nothing will stop it. Common sense will dictate thats not true.
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Elementriloquist, I am gonna put you on my ignore list as well since call me a gaslighter asshole or whatever man (I admit being one) but when I tell you that you don't know what real magick is I don't really think you are in a state to debate what it is, when your accomplishment is zero (but I admire you have the self honesty to admit this, whether I like you or not.

One of us is in a dire suprise, as in you really will become a millionaire in just third step of Initiation Of Hermetics, or you will find out magick is also limited.

But calling me a larper when you are the one living in the fantasy world? Maybe you should use the 'bs rationalization' you accuse me using of.
 
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You tell me that I am a larper, while believing magick can do anything.
No, I told you that you sound like a larper because you avoided answering direct questions and decided to be theatrical instead.

Your enemies won't just drop dead because you used magick. All of this is probability manipulation.
Probability manipulation sounds like a type of magic, not all magic period. Seems like you are putting magic in a box to fit whatever abilities you believe you have.

You are living in a weird fantasy that you will do anything with magick and live the life like Andrew Tate for a while or something.
He's too extroverted, I'd never want to live like that.

No, mundane effort isn't always neccesary. Mundane effort does help, however. One hand vs two hands.
Anything that you are attempting to do with magic that requires "extra help" through your own efforts, is something you should have just done through your own efforts to begin with.

You don't shoot a bear with a gun and then run up to it while it's on the ground and start trying to punch it to death lol. If you had that kind of strength to begin with where you could kill a bear with punches, you wouldn't need a gun from the start, which makes you learning how to shoot, getting ammunition, etc, absolutely pointless.

There is nothing I want to do with magic that could be achieved through personal effort, else I'd just put in extra effort and get it done myself.

Peter Carroll said 35% of his attempts work.
He uses Chaos magic, and there's a reason I avoided even going down that path, because all descriptions of that kind of magic seemed to be devoid of any kind of "direct control" (hence why it's called "chaos" magic).

It just sounded like a "set it and forget it" kind of magic where you just "hope for the best". To me, that doesn't sound any more different to praying to God and hoping that he grants your wish, and grants it to the degree you wanted that prayer to work.

Magic like that is too vague and open to interpretation. Of that 35% there are probably results that he interpreted as a success simply because his intent was something that could have been granted in various ways and in different degrees.

For example. He could do magic to have a specific persons apartment set on fire, and the entire apartment building goes up in flames along with their apartment. Or that specific persons apartment is set on fire and is immediately extinguished by the person. Either outcome could be interpreted as a "successful attempt" in chaos magic.

I don't consider either of those outcomes a successful attempt. To me, that kind of "magic" is nothing more than throwing knives at a target while blindfolded, and hoping something sticks. A successful attempt to me would be someone creating an elementary that specifically goes to that persons apartment, and specifically burns away the interior and furnishings of that apartment (or a specific item of choice), and even if they extinguish the fire it starts back up again, and the apartment building doesn't burn down.

Physical realm is limitation. A persons willpower, their occult skills, what kind of an operation was used, probability of the event happening, how resistant the other people are....
Magic itself is an impossibility, that's the irony of drawing these arbitrary lines in the sand of what you can't do with magic. Why not take that logic to it's conclusion, and assume that the limitation of the physical realm means that no magic is possible?

The best feat of magick I have seen in my research was the Burning monk. The guy just kept a meditating posture until he turned into a pile of charcoal. Google it. This is one undeniable feat that can't be debunked as a video trick or anything, since the guy burned to his death while sitting in peace.
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The irony of you telling me I am a "sad case" when your example of the best feat of magic, is a guy burning himself to death without screaming in pain. Talk about setting the bar low, what's sad is that your mental concept of magic is that it's ABSOLUTELY USELESS :ROFLMAO:

The BEST feat you can think of is a guy killing himself?

REALLY!?

Imagine if he had instead........ IDK, stayed alive and helped some people instead. That would ironically be a greater feat of magic even though it requires no magic to pull off.

But nah, killing yourself in protest is definitely a great feat of magic, oh yeah.

Not to mention that he could have drugged himself beforehand, one drug to numb the pain and another to kill him shortly after he ignited the fire so he only had to resist the urge to scream for a few minutes. You said he burned into charcoal so I doubt there was anything left to do an accurate blood test to check for drug use (very convenient).

Elementriloquist, I am gonna put you on my ignore list as well
I said I'd add you to my ignore list if you didn't answer the question, which you did.

But calling me a larper when you are the one living in the fantasy world? Maybe you should use the 'bs rationalization' you accuse me using of.
Once again, I said you sound like one, not that you are one. But notice you are giving direct answers now instead of wasting time on BS theatrics. If you could respond like this off the bat I wouldn't have said what I said.




Magick can not make impossible, possible.
You are now contradicting yourself from when you said your definition of magic doesn't fit what I said here:
"Magic can't do that. You can only do mundane things without a time constraint, that can more easily be attributed to personal effort or random chance (luck), and conveniently cannot be observed or tested"

1. Your response doesn't make any sense because magic itself is seen as impossible, and that's any form of magic regardless of the limitations. So your response is like saying "magic can't make itself possible".

Magic by default is already considered an impossibility.

Astral projection should be impossible, can you astral project?

If you say yes, you are contradicting yourself. In fact any feat of magic you claim you can do is a contradiction, because it should all be impossible.

Let me guess your next response - "It's impossible to the up to an arbitrary line that I get to decide for everyone else"

Lol, how convenient.


2. You're doing what 99% of people on occult forums do. They know they've never done anything "impossible" themselves so they project that perceived limitation onto magic itself.

Since they can only achieve the mundane, they redefine magic as the mundane so that their "feats" and their believed limitations of magic all line up.
 

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No, I told you that you sound like a larper because you avoided answering direct questions and decided to be theatrical instead.


Probability manipulation sounds like a type of magic, not all magic period. Seems like you are putting magic in a box to fit whatever abilities you believe you have.


He's too extroverted, I'd never want to live like that.


Anything that you are attempting to do with magic that requires "extra help" through your own efforts, is something you should have just done through your own efforts to begin with.

You don't shoot a bear with a gun and then run up to it while it's on the ground and start trying to punch it to death lol. If you had that kind of strength to begin with where you could kill a bear with punches, you wouldn't need a gun from the start, which makes you learning how to shoot, getting ammunition, etc, absolutely pointless.

There is nothing I want to do with magic that could be achieved through personal effort, else I'd just put in extra effort and get it done myself.


He uses Chaos magic, and there's a reason I avoided even going down that path, because all descriptions of that kind of magic seemed to be devoid of any kind of "direct control" (hence why it's called "chaos" magic).

It just sounded like a "set it and forget it" kind of magic where you just "hope for the best". To me, that doesn't sound any more different to praying to God and hoping that he grants your wish, and grants it to the degree you wanted that prayer to work.

Magic like that is too vague and open to interpretation. Of that 35% there are probably results that he interpreted as a success simply because his intent was something that could have been granted in various ways and in different degrees.

For example. He could do magic to have a specific persons apartment set on fire, and the entire apartment building goes up in flames along with their apartment. Or that specific persons apartment is set on fire and is immediately extinguished by the person. Either outcome could be interpreted as a "successful attempt" in chaos magic.

I don't consider either of those outcomes a successful attempt. To me, that kind of "magic" is nothing more than throwing knives at a target while blindfolded, and hoping something sticks. A successful attempt to me would be someone creating an elementary that specifically goes to that persons apartment, and specifically burns away the interior and furnishings of that apartment (or a specific item of choice), and even if they extinguish the fire it starts back up again, and the apartment building doesn't burn down.


Magic itself is an impossibility, that's the irony of drawing these arbitrary lines in the sand of what you can't do with magic. Why not take that logic to it's conclusion, and assume that the limitation of the physical realm means that no magic is possible?


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The irony of you telling me I am a "sad case" when your example of the best feat of magic, is a guy burning himself to death without screaming in pain. Talk about setting the bar low, what's sad is that your mental concept of magic is that it's ABSOLUTELY USELESS :ROFLMAO:

The BEST feat you can think of is a guy killing himself?

REALLY!?

Imagine if he had instead........ IDK, stayed alive and helped some people instead. That would ironically be a greater feat of magic even though it requires no magic to pull off.

But nah, killing yourself in protest is definitely a great feat of magic, oh yeah.

Not to mention that he could have drugged himself beforehand, one drug to numb the pain and another to kill him shortly after he ignited the fire so he only had to resist the urge to scream for a few minutes. You said he burned into charcoal so I doubt there was anything left to do an accurate blood test to check for drug use (very convenient).


I said I'd add you to my ignore list if you didn't answer the question, which you did.


Once again, I said you sound like one, not that you are one. But notice you are giving direct answers now instead of wasting time on BS theatrics. If you could respond like this off the bat I wouldn't have said what I said.





You are now contradicting yourself from when you said your definition of magic doesn't fit what I said here:


1. Your response doesn't make any sense because magic itself is seen as impossible, and that's any form of magic regardless of the limitations. So your response is like saying "magic can't make itself possible".

Magic by default is already considered an impossibility.

Astral projection should be impossible, can you astral project?

If you say yes, you are contradicting yourself. In fact any feat of magic you claim you can do is a contradiction, because it should all be impossible.

Let me guess your next response - "It's impossible to the up to an arbitrary line that I get to decide for everyone else"

Lol, how convenient.


2. You're doing what 99% of people on occult forums do. They know they've never done anything "impossible" themselves so they project that perceived limitation onto magic itself.

Since they can only achieve the mundane, they redefine magic as the mundane so that their "feats" and their believed limitations of magic all line up.
I have a single question for you.

What have you achieved with magick?

If your answer is nothing, I will go back to calling you an idiot.
 
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