New Pope new hope?

[Yazata]

the pope has died and they are going to choose a new pope. the new pope has great influence in the spheres our interests lay, so who would one want like to see as the new pope? i ask cause for example in tarot cards there are pope cards. these are subconscious doors. the real pope rules from the vatican, the religious center of the earth

From another thread, but a good question. Not everybody here will want to see a new Pope at all, but if a new one is going to be elected: what would you hope he is going to bring to the chair?

 

[beardedeldridge]

I’m pro social justice and everything but deep down I want to see a more esoteric focused pope.

*not Catholic

 

[Yazata]

I quickly looked at the st Malachy list again. Franciscus seems to have tried to be the last one but thankfully he is not. I think another direction (more esoteric or rather more old fashioned) would be the quality I hope to see in the new Papa

 

[Anziel_Merkaba]

Honestly, I don't really have much opinion other than I hope the next Pope actually follows the book instead of all the stuff Francis did to support things that the Bible explicitly said was wrong. Not a Christian but one would think the spiritual leader of a major religion's actions and policies wouldn't contradict the doctrine they are supposed to be the final arbiter of.

 

[MidnightProphet]

I hope the new Pope is the antichrist.

 

[beardedeldridge]

I went and read the short bio of the 5-6 front runners and they all hit me as meh.

Any followers of this process have a favorite? We got one down for the AC lol.

But I did see a comment that 5/10 of the popes chosen in the 20-21st centuries have been complete surprises. So here’s hoping….

 

[Yazata]

I hope the new Pope is the antichrist.

Was your nickname Ed G. in Highschool?
According to the list of Malachy the last Pope will leave the Vatican in flames after he's done, so maybe. There's a Dutch candidate as well. I don't know anything about any of them.

 

[MidnightProphet]

Ed G. as in Edward Gein? No. My nick-name in high school was Leon Phelps, a.k.a The Ladies Man, a.k.a. I'm a 42-year-old virgin who conducts high magick from my mother's basement and shaves everything EXCEPT the part of my beard beneath my chin.

As for the new Pope, maybe my response seemed inflammatory, but it's just because I haven't been taking my Ibuprofen.

 

[Thee Nightfool]

I'm slightly shocked anyone on here would give a shit about this subject.

 

[MidnightProphet]

I'm slightly shocked anyone on here would give a shit about this subject.

Likewise.

 

[beardedeldridge]

I'm slightly shocked anyone on here would give a shit about this subject.

I’m always a bit shocked that everyone isn’t just a little curious about just about everything tbh. (I don’t much care for sports, politics, or reality TV but parts of them I still find at least a little fascinating.)

Now as for as the current subject, whether we like it or not, many parts of the occult are steeped in Catholicism (and vice versa). Not to mention the indirect sway it still holds over a lot of the world (for good or bad) that’s simply fact. But for me, it’s more the history and tradition of it (regardless of how bad some of that is).

*not to mention if Yazata had asked who wanted to start a pool betting on the results , I would have also jumped on that

-Eld

 

[Sabbatius]

I won't hold my breath on any Cardinal becoming someone significant enough to actually give any hope for a positive change in the RCC.

 

[Yazata]

I'm slightly shocked anyone on here would give a shit about this subject.

More or less the same as who is president of one of the major countries. I don't live in the US, Russia or China but the whole world feels some effect of actions / policies of these countries.
As for the Pope: the attitude he will have towards other religions, as well as the doctrines of the Church will have an impact that everybody is going to feel in varying degrees.

 

[Frater Barritus]

I have to confess I’m mostly just annoyed at the original commenter’s assertion that the Vatican is the religious centre of the Earth!? There’s just a few billion people practicing eastern religions who would disagree.

Personally, “here comes the new boss, same as the old boss” springs to mind. One man isn’t going to force the church to turn over its trillions in assets and wealth to enact genuine change in the world, and we aren’t going to see justice for those innocents preyed upon by the priesthood which the Vatican protects, two things I would dearly love to see and would give me actual respect for the position

I also think anyone who places an intercessor between themselves and The Divine is acting out our society’s deeply repressed domination fetish. St. Paul and St. Peter have a lot to answer for when it comes to perverting the teachings of Christ.

That said, I’m not anti-Catholic (despite my Northern Irish prod family). I think as with all things, when we move away from the top-down pomp and ceremony to eg. Veneration of local saints a genuine connection to a divine tradition can be felt. And maybe the power in that connection is somehow bound up with the tension between what resides at the top and that which comes from the ground up.

 

[8Lou1]

@Frater Barritus: there are several centers is the world .
city of the vatican: religion
city of london: finance
forgot the city in usa: military
dont know the city in china: production
and of course city of love: paris
africa doesnt seem to have a city, we just all come from there.
its not to be liked is, its how the world works. with ley lines, taken holy places and all.

its the only reason i asked the question. if everybody who is spiritual inclined says, no not the church., you think they care? look at history and see they will attack. (hence the english church being different cause they tried). but even in our little lives we get that. the minister came to ask why i only had 1 brother and my parents had a huge fight with him and kicked him out. for the reminder of my life i cant see them, they are made evil unto me, im spiritually attacked, etc.

so, dont think i like what is, but over the years ive found that people who are interested in the divine, spiritual things, etc. can have an influence on how the world works and looks. the simplest form is reading a bit about the topic and asking the spirits to help get the intent out to the pope egregore.

btw our dutch king decided not to go to his burial, but is going to party whole day with his cuntry. in this case im on his side.

for myself id love to see a pope who is willing to share more stolen religious artifacts, who isnt setting up silencers for a country in dispair (we had that here in the 80ies) and who dares to take out the silk route (they never will).

 

[Frater Barritus]

@Frater Barritus: there are several centers is the world .
city of the vatican: religion
city of london: finance
forgot the city in usa: military
dont know the city in china: production
and of course city of love: paris
africa doesnt seem to have a city, we just all come from there.
its not to be liked is, its how the world works. with ley lines, taken holy places and all.

its the only reason i asked the question. if everybody who is spiritual inclined says, no not the church., you think they care? look at history and see they will attack. (hence the english church being different cause they tried). but even in our little lives we get that. the minister came to ask why i only had 1 brother and my parents had a huge fight with him and kicked him out. for the reminder of my life i cant see them, they are made evil unto me, im spiritually attacked, etc.

so, dont think i like what is, but over the years ive found that people who are interested in the divine, spiritual things, etc. can have an influence on how the world works and looks. the simplest form is reading a bit about the topic and asking the spirits to help get the intent out to the pope egregore.

btw our dutch king decided not to go to his burial, but is going to party whole day with his cuntry. in this case im on his side.

for myself id love to see a pope who is willing to share more stolen religious artifacts, who isnt setting up silencers for a country in dispair (we had that here in the 80ies) and who dares to take out the silk route (they never will).

With all due respect, I have to disagree, at least in part. I agree that one could make the case for these cities as archetypes like you say, but how can you speak with such utter certainty and in such definitive ways, as if they were fixed and immutable?

One’s perspective is always coloured and filtered by the lenses of geographical, cultural and temporal placement.

Eg. What would these “centres” look like 2000 years ago? What about former urban centres that no longer fulfil their previous roles? If we concede that historical context changes the nature of a site’s psychogeography, surely the location of the observer in space/time also changes their relation to an urban centre?

Personally, I’m distrustful of anything which claims to be immutable and capital “T” True for all, because the only constant I can observe is change.

 

[8Lou1]

as i wrote, my parents are made evil unto me although i love them. when i read your post, it gives a similar reaction which confuses me.

 

[Frater Barritus]

as i wrote, my parents are made evil unto me although i love them. when i read your post, it gives a similar reaction which confuses me.

If I’ve offended or upset you, I apologise, it was never my intention although I think you may have misconstrued what I’m saying. I certainly am not placing value judgments on you.

I have to confess to not understanding some of your writing and how it follows on from what we are talking about, I think there’s a language barrier barring us from making ourselves understood to one another.

It’s ok, only a difference in opinion. Pay it no mind.

 

[8Lou1]

youve not upset of offended me at all. thats why i get confused at the fact that i seem to have feelings while reading a text and they arent external.
thank you very much for such an experience. subconsciously i was looking for just that.

 

[Konsciencia]

No Pope is no hero. The only thing they care about is what's beneath the Vatican, and touching and sacrificing little kids especially the Altar boys. Sorry for them.