No more colored texts

[Morell]

Yeah, why would you ever want to do this?

Look, i think we've all wanted to go out into the woods and tame a pack of wolves to do our bidding but it's hard enough trying to tame even one, why on earth would you ever think that trying to tame a whole pack - while being mentally fragile, mind you (no shade, just the nature of trauma) - is at all a reasonable idea to pursue????

i am in no way any expert in spirits and more, but i have a lot of respect for them, even ones i might perceive as negative, or "evil". I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU DON'T!!!!

that being said.... if you simply must.... please share your results with us, it'd be like the journal equivalent of supernatural Live Leak.

What are you saying there? I can't read that, that blue is very dark, almost no contrast to the background.

 

[tetradicTendencies]

honestly, if you truly feel willing to throw yourself under the bus for the sake of furthering the fields of the supernatural, you could make a Schmidt Pain Index of sorts for anyone trying to do what you want to do, or perhaps some other charts and scales for people not actively trying but accidentally ended up in your desired situation

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What are you saying there? I can't read that, that blue is very dark, almost no contrast to the background.

hmm, you're the second person to say that there's low contrast, i see quite a high contrast here, i honestly cannot understand why
are you on mobile?

if you can, you can highlight my text as that should help in the meanwhile, i'll dm the admin about it

 

[Morell]

Some users just love to use dark or low-contrast color of the text. While on itself artistic, it ruins readability. I call for banning of coloring entire texts. In Forum the art of text should be in the content, not in how it looks. Artistic expression can be also in the content of the text. Artistic calligraphy is not really a good thing for the forum.

 

[Morell]

Why don't you just use basic text without formatting? Why it has to be blue and in typescript, that is less easy to read than modern script?

 

[tetradicTendencies]

Why don't you just use basic text without formatting? Why it has to be blue and in typescript, that is less easy to read than modern script?

i like to use a monospace font for consistency's sake, just personal readability taste, so that's why the Courier New.
regarding the colour, darker colours and blues are more likely to bring me good tidings, so i'd rather use that than white text :/

 

[tetradicTendencies]

highlight the text below if you can't read it for some reason please
this has a high contrast for me, even down to level 2/100 on my laptop's backlight, and i usually keep it at 10~50/100
i don't understand how it's so low contrast for some people, do you have a different theme on or something? is that a feature the website has?

is it the browser? i'm using chrome
are you using a mobile device? does that make a difference with the website's formatting and themeing at all?

 

[Morell]

i like to use a monospace font for consistency's sake, just personal readability taste, so that's why the Courier New.
regarding the colour, darker colours and blues are more likely to bring me good tidings, so i'd rather use that than white text :/

That's the problem. You are not talking to copies of you, you are talking to other people. In case of communication it's of higher value to be approachable and feeling connection with others rather than just yours satisfaction. Do you get what I mean?

 

[tetradicTendencies]

That's the problem. You are not talking to copies of you, you are talking to other people. In case of communication it's of higher value to be approachable and feeling connection with others rather than just yours satisfaction. Do you get what I mean?

i consider monospace fonts to be more legible, personally, and sometimes i'd like to post some unicode symbols and for the sake of presentational consistency, i try to stick with mono fonts

regarding colour though, there's multiple factors that could go into why it's difficult for you to read with them enabled, could be a software issue, could be a hardware issue, or it could be a personal quirk of your body's visual processing (which in no way can i blame and that is completely understandable) but it is a feature in the website, it's one of the default colours, and it looks clearly differentiable from the background, i have definite visual contrast here, i really don't see how it's a problem

 

[Yazata]

I moved some posts into this thread, it changed the OP though because of chronology.
Morell's 2nd post here is the OP of this thread...

 

[Morell]

highlight the text below if you can't read it for some reason please
this has a high contrast for me, even down to level 2/100 on my laptop's backlight, and i usually keep it at 10~50/100
i don't understand how it's so low contrast for some people, do you have a different theme on or something? is that a feature the website has?

is it the browser? i'm using chrome
are you using a mobile device? does that make a difference with the website's formatting and themeing at all?

You are not first person here who keeps coloring their posts and thinks it cool and self-expresive. It keeps angering me for some time now. You were just last drop. I really don't want to bother with selecting entire texts every time I want to read.

Also, your HW is not the norm, nor are your eyes. A lot of people actually have slightly limited color seeing, some have noticeable limitations, some rare cases are colorblind. What will you tell to them?

My intention with this is that the texts on the forum should be easy to read and approachable to everyone. I'm an artist myself and honestly, the way of art that makes things harder for other people is art I do not respect.

 

[SkullTraill]

Some users just love to use dark or low-contrast color of the text. While on itself artistic, it ruins readability. I call for banning of coloring entire texts. In Forum the art of text should be in the content, not in how it looks. Artistic expression can be also in the content of the text. Artistic calligraphy is not really a good thing for the forum.

I will at least consider this. @tetradicTendencies posts are obnoxious and difficult to read.

At the same time though, stuff like this should be self-moderating/community moderated.

Like, if you hate the way this guy types, just ignore him. If I am to implement a rule to ban full color/attention seeking obnoxious text formatting, then I need a good argument as to why simply ignoring a person who does that is not good enough.

 

[tetradicTendencies]

You are not first person here who keeps coloring their posts and thinks it cool and self-expresive. It keeps angering me for some time now. You were just last drop. I really don't want to bother with selecting entire texts every time I want to read.

I feel like the fact that a benign aspect of the reality you live in causing you anger is more of a you thing than anything else? the nearly white text on the dark background searing into my retinas hurts a bit but it doesn't make me angry, it's just a fact of life and i accept that - if you can't then i'm sorry for you, but i'd rather not limit myself when i have tacit permission to express myself

Also, your HW is not the norm, nor are your eyes. A lot of people actually have slightly limited color seeing, some have noticeable limitations, some rare cases are colorblind. What will you tell to them?

(i assume HW means hardware) this laptop is actually pretty old and i also checked on my computer monitor and my phone and they all look like they have reasonable contrast.
it is true that many people have colour deficiency to some degree, but blue colour deficiency/anomaly/blindness is more rare than others, and even without that, the colour i was using would still stimulate brightness detecting rod cells even if there were colour anomaly present and the blue is of a higher brightness than the background, the value for the blue is practically 3 times brighter than the background, so your eyes should still be able to see it to some degree, are you sure your system settings have your screen calibrated correctly?

what will i tell them?
double check your screen is calibrated correctly, check your browser/system's theme settings, and if needed due to colour blindness/anomaly, get a contrast app/plugin as that will just make your life easier all over the internet, not just on 1 forum with like, 2 people expressing a freedom that is granted to them

My intention with this is that the texts on the forum should be easy to read and approachable to everyone. I'm an artist myself and honestly, the way of art that makes things harder for other people is art I do not respect.

and as i mentioned above, i feel as though the silver text has too high a contrast for my eyes, even with my lowered brightness settings, it actually burns my retinas a bit, so what about people like me? should i feel burning in the back of my eyes any time i want to try and double check what i've written?
how about trying to find a message written by somebody else at a glance? sure pfp's exist, but a block of text is less easy to miss when scrolling and having a unique colour and font to look for can expedite the process

i am also a visual artist, i also really enjoy getting into the philosophy of aesthetics and differing fields of thought on art-
"the way of art that makes things harder for other people is art i do not respect"
that's your opinion and that's fine, but personally i enjoy art that challenges, art that can be difficult to swallow, even art that can be painful sometimes, because the world we live in can be just those things, and if art is to reflect our feelings, or truth in the reality we find ourselves in, then it should be able to reflect most any kind of truth, no?

but maybe we just have differing philosophies on this and i think that's fine, but i do think you're putting a lot of stake into something that ultimately isn't actually hurting anybody

 

[SkullTraill]

I feel like the fact that a benign aspect of the reality you live in causing you anger is more of a you thing than anything else? the nearly white text on the dark background searing into my retinas hurts a bit but it doesn't make me angry, it's just a fact of life and i accept that - if you can't then i'm sorry for you, but i'd rather not limit myself when i have tacit permission to express myself


(i assume HW means hardware) this laptop is actually pretty old and i also checked on my computer monitor and my phone and they all look like they have reasonable contrast.
it is true that many people have colour deficiency to some degree, but blue colour deficiency/anomaly/blindness is more rare than others, and even without that, the colour i was using would still stimulate brightness detecting rod cells even if there were colour anomaly present and the blue is of a higher brightness than the background, the value for the blue is practically 3 times brighter than the background, so your eyes should still be able to see it to some degree, are you sure your system settings have your screen calibrated correctly?

what will i tell them?
double check your screen is calibrated correctly, check your browser/system's theme settings, and if needed due to colour blindness/anomaly, get a contrast app/plugin as that will just make your life easier all over the internet, not just on 1 forum with like, 2 people expressing a freedom that is granted to them


and as i mentioned above, i feel as though the silver text has too high a contrast for my eyes, even with my lowered brightness settings, it actually burns my retinas a bit, so what about people like me? should i feel burning in the back of my eyes any time i want to try and double check what i've written?
how about trying to find a message written by somebody else at a glance? sure pfp's exist, but a block of text is less easy to miss when scrolling and having a unique colour and font to look for can expedite the process

i am also a visual artist, i also really enjoy getting into the philosophy of aesthetics and differing fields of thought on art-
"the way of art that makes things harder for other people is art i do not respect"
that's your opinion and that's fine, but personally i enjoy art that challenges, art that can be difficult to swallow, even art that can be painful sometimes, because the world we live in can be just those things, and if art is to reflect our feelings, or truth in the reality we find ourselves in, then it should be able to reflect most any kind of truth, no?

but maybe we just have differing philosophies on this and i think that's fine, but i do think you're putting a lot of stake into something that ultimately isn't actually hurting anybody

Posting your stupid multicolored text does nothing to combat eye strain for you because 99% of the posts on WF are still the grey on black. So stfu with that excuse. Unless you literally use WF as a journal to just type in and never read anyone’s posts that’s not a valid reason.

 

[AlfrunGrima]

At the same time though, stuff like this should be self-moderating/community moderated.

Like, if you hate the way this guy types, just ignore him. If I am to implement a rule to ban full color/attention seeking obnoxious text formatting, then I need a good argument as to why simply ignoring a person who does that is not good enough.

My 2-cents: things can be self-moderating or community moderated, but creative unreadable posts are no standalones but part of a discussion. This creates the problem that people can't follow that discussion anymore if they have to ignore more and more persons because of colored posts. (And yes, there seem to be more persons with colored posts than before)

That goes beyond the feeling of irritation. A good discussion is readable for everyone, not just for those who are willing to not ignore the colored posts. A good quality of WF is that information is accessible for everyone, this sets WF apart from other forums. For journals and introduction-posts I think that can be different, these are highly personal posts and for such posts there should be space for designing things.

 

[tetradicTendencies]

I will at least consider this. @tetradicTendencies posts are obnoxious and difficult to read.

At the same time though, stuff like this should be self-moderating/community moderated.

Like, if you hate the way this guy types, just ignore him. If I am to implement a rule to ban full color/attention seeking obnoxious text formatting, then I need a good argument as to why simply ignoring a person who does that is not good enough.

pretty much agree, even if it is a bit harsh
(also i'm a she but you couldn't have known that)

Posting your stupid multicolored text does nothing to combat eye strain for you because 99% of the posts on WF are still the grey on black. So stfu with that excuse. Unless you literally use WF as a journal to just type in and never read anyone’s posts that’s not a valid reason.

actually what i said was "should i feel burning in the back of my eyes any time i want to try and double check what i've written?"
especially given that it takes me a while to type stuff, i'd personally like to not have my eyes hurt when i'm looking at that
as i also said, i put up with the pain from others' text anyways, it's not a lot of pain, it's just noticeable enough for me to try and avoid it, hence the low brightness of my screen
wasn't an excuse, just literally pointing out that, yes, it is for a selfish reason, i'm aware of that, that's pretty much what personal freedom is all about, no?

My 2-cents: things can be self-moderating or community moderated, but creative unreadable posts are no standalones but part of a discussion. This creates the problem that people can't follow that discussion anymore if they have to ignore more and more persons because of colored posts. (And yes, there seem to be more persons with colored posts than before)

That goes beyond the feeling of irritation. A good discussion is readable for everyone, not just for those who are willing to not ignore the colored posts. A good quality of WF is that information is accessible for everyone, this sets WF apart from other forums. For journals and introduction-posts I think that can be different, these are highly personal posts and for such posts there should be space for designing things.

i think this post is actually quite reasonable and i'd accept that state of affairs

 

[Morell]

I will at least consider this. @tetradicTendencies posts are obnoxious and difficult to read.

At the same time though, stuff like this should be self-moderating/community moderated.

Like, if you hate the way this guy types, just ignore him. If I am to implement a rule to ban full color/attention seeking obnoxious text formatting, then I need a good argument as to why simply ignoring a person who does that is not good enough.

Fair.

My arguments:
1 - it can cause unfair disadvantage - if the posts are hard to read, the poster is pushing himself towards the edge of the community as the posts are more often ignored even if they contain very valuable information.

2 - it can also cause unfair advantage - colored posts stand out and are not always harder to read, though they attract the eye more that the rest of the posts. It makes them look more important than the other posts. They stand out, sometimes just like eye catching advertisements.

 

[Clear]

What are you saying there? I can't read that, that blue is very dark, almost no contrast to the background.

Its a rather poor attempt at subconscious manipulation. Questionable ethics, at the very least.

 

[tetradicTendencies]

Its a rather poor attempt at subconscious manipulation. Questionable ethics, at the very least.

wait, who's manipulating whom?