Order of the 9 Angles (no typo, Angles, not Angels) - real life crazy cultists of the "Dark Gods"

[silencewaits]

Word. Being an old geezer myself, and being around a lot in the occult "scene" and, to use a modern term, "occulture", I fully second your statement and would go even further by saying that 99% of the so called left hand path is made up bullshit. Consider the 218 and 182 "currents": a mix of a ripoff of gnostic christian Weltanschauung and misunderstood Santa Muerte and San La Muerte cults, with a pinch of fantasy interpretation of Genesis and complete ripoff of Quimbanda Exu and Pomba Gira sigils. Consider also the impossible to obtain ritual ingredients for the majority of senseless rituals, combine with that wishful thinking and skyrocketing ego and you have a recipe for disaster. The real magic is, as the movie title goes, everything everywhere all the time. Terry Pratchett also said it when he wrote about wizards sitting in their ivory (or black) towers, oblivious to real magic flowing all around them.

They also have in their origins in a mix of different so-called "Left-Hand Path" traditions. One of them you can guess. I agree with your last two sentences. I often get the same feelings I get from a successful working from weirdly synchronicity-laden moments. A lot of 'occult insight' I get is from sources people would never expect; some of the best curses don't involve cursing at all, as well as the best bindings.

I'm a bit unfamiliar--what are some of the ritual ingredients?

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Well, that makes it even odder to me. Achieving spiritual immortality through the ONA then suddenly believing in allah and salvation by proxy. I can think of something much likelier being the case.

Spiritual immortality necessitates the passing away of your physical life; otherwise you are (by definition) living a mortal existence. It's achieved through your own work. If your existence is dependent on frail, feeble, temporal underpinnings it will pass away just the same. I've observed some people continuing their existence through their folk--their familial relations being one obvious example. But that too is liable to pass away just the same. If you are no longer known, how can anyone recognize you in a more concrete form? If your name passes from memory, the ripples of your deeds calm, then you are no longer existent past your death. If you build an existence for yourself past this world, past the places in-between it, then perhaps you can live on.

But (and this is entirely personal conjecture) there may be something beyond the in-between. The astral. The so-called higher dimensions. What people have called theos, Source, or God. The ninth sphere beyond the eighth, whereby the ogdoadic physis once achieved is transcended. Immortality then is just a bus pass, or a lottery ticket. If you manage to perpetuate your existence, there is no guarantee there aren't more hurdles you have to jump through. More knowledge of the realms beyond this realm you must accumulate. You may still fade away, consumed into (or by) something greater than yourself. You may still, in a way, have transcended your mortal existence. But you will not have reached that singularity some hint at.

But death is not so bad. There are people who trying to become immortal or enlightened fail to even be mortal. Firewood, living dust, walking corpses. The idea of someone who seeks out all that life has to offer (one who wishes to know their own limits, and the truth) might be terrifying, or even silly. A lot of people balk at things like 'extremism', experiencing different religions, or physical/moral/whatever challenges because they like the easy and comfortable answers, an easy and comfortable life. They do not possess a skill for learning (which requires direct experience), or they do not have a personal character that is unsatisfied by what others tell them is right/wrong/true/false/heresy/orthodox. Which is not to say I'm advocating for that, of course, but I am saying that the confusion that results from the kind of life he has lived is only confusing because it is misunderstood.

Do people seek out salvation or immortality because they are scared of death or Hell? That's weakness. Have you ever considered that he doesn't care about the things you or others care about? That he is seeking out knowledge, or a glimpse of what he terms 'the numinous', or a greater future--by whatever standards he personally judges that to be? That he believes things can only be learned through direct experience of them, and puts his money where his mouth is?

I could tell you what it was like to experience something on the edge of existence, where few people have dared to tread, but it will not carry over much of anything if you have not lived it or something similar to that experience. Instead of familiarity one would have to rely on foreign experiences, subconscious prejudices, or programming. The finer details, the differences, the actual content or identity of the various factors or motivations would not be properly understood.

 

[Cleric]

They also have in their origins in a mix of different so-called "Left-Hand Path" traditions. One of them you can guess. I agree with your last two sentences. I often get the same feelings I get from a successful working from weirdly synchronicity-laden moments. A lot of 'occult insight' I get is from sources people would never expect; some of the best curses don't involve cursing at all, as well as the best bindings.

I'm a bit unfamiliar--what are some of the ritual ingredients?

Post automatically merged: Friday at 11:20 PM

Spiritual immortality necessitates the passing away of your physical life; otherwise you are (by definition) living a mortal existence. It's achieved through your own work. If your existence is dependent on frail, feeble, temporal underpinnings it will pass away just the same. I've observed some people continuing their existence through their folk--their familial relations being one obvious example. But that too is liable to pass away just the same. If you are no longer known, how can anyone recognize you in a more concrete form? If your name passes from memory, the ripples of your deeds calm, then you are no longer existent past your death. If you build an existence for yourself past this world, past the places in-between it, then perhaps you can live on.

But (and this is entirely personal conjecture) there may be something beyond the in-between. The astral. The so-called higher dimensions. What people have called theos, Source, or God. The ninth sphere beyond the eighth, whereby the ogdoadic physis once achieved is transcended. Immortality then is just a bus pass, or a lottery ticket. If you manage to perpetuate your existence, there is no guarantee there aren't more hurdles you have to jump through. More knowledge of the realms beyond this realm you must accumulate. You may still fade away, consumed into (or by) something greater than yourself. You may still, in a way, have transcended your mortal existence. But you will not have reached that singularity some hint at.

But death is not so bad. There are people who trying to become immortal or enlightened fail to even be mortal. Firewood, living dust, walking corpses. The idea of someone who seeks out all that life has to offer (one who wishes to know their own limits, and the truth) might be terrifying, or even silly. A lot of people balk at things like 'extremism', experiencing different religions, or physical/moral/whatever challenges because they like the easy and comfortable answers, an easy and comfortable life. They do not possess a skill for learning (which requires direct experience), or they do not have a personal character that is unsatisfied by what others tell them is right/wrong/true/false/heresy/orthodox. Which is not to say I'm advocating for that, of course, but I am saying that the confusion that results from the kind of life he has lived is only confusing because it is misunderstood.

Do people seek out salvation or immortality because they are scared of death or Hell? That's weakness. Have you ever considered that he doesn't care about the things you or others care about? That he is seeking out knowledge, or a glimpse of what he terms 'the numinous', or a greater future--by whatever standards he personally judges that to be? That he believes things can only be learned through direct experience of them, and puts his money where his mouth is?

I could tell you what it was like to experience something on the edge of existence, where few people have dared to tread, but it will not carry over much of anything if you have not lived it or something similar to that experience. Instead of familiarity one would have to rely on foreign experiences, subconscious prejudices, or programming. The finer details, the differences, the actual content or identity of the various factors or motivations would not be properly understood.

Oh, the range of ingredients varies; you have to find, for example, a black crow with a single white feather and offer it as blood sacrifice; also there's the little finger from the left (of course!) hand from the corpse or skeleton of a convicted and executed murderer buried in hallowed ground. And when you can't, for the life of you, obtain said finger without the risk of being caught and commited to a mental institution for life, the authors of said rituals will tell you that you're not commited enough, or that the dark powers that be don't fancy you.
And people fall for such bullshit; it's easier to, say, listen to an individual proclaiming that he can make you a living god, while he's still living in his mum's basement, than to commit oneself to half an hour of meditation a day, or keep a daily magical diary, or performing a lowly lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram, or any such uncool activity. Sad, really, but there you have it.

 

[BachausMaximus]

The internet, video games, apathy, laziness and the lack of a meaningful attention span have definitely impacted most people's willingness to engage in social organizations, church, esoteric orders or even politics. The attendance and engagement at my city has declined precipitously since the late 2000's. Even gang membership and youth crime have declined for the most part. It reminds me of The Electric State by Stalenhag except wireless. It seems like most folks now are just tic toc zombies and sheep now. Although this does present a whole host of opportunities for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

 

[Beyond Everything]

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But death is not so bad. There are people who trying to become immortal or enlightened fail to even be mortal. Firewood, living dust, walking corpses. The idea of someone who seeks out all that life has to offer (one who wishes to know their own limits, and the truth) might be terrifying, or even silly. A lot of people balk at things like 'extremism', experiencing different religions, or physical/moral/whatever challenges because they like the easy and comfortable answers, an easy and comfortable life. They do not possess a skill for learning (which requires direct experience), or they do not have a personal character that is unsatisfied by what others tell them is right/wrong/true/false/heresy/orthodox. Which is not to say I'm advocating for that, of course, but I am saying that the confusion that results from the kind of life he has lived is only confusing because it is misunderstood.

I think this is all quite irrelevant.

He propagated teachings that explicity include the achievement of immortality. I'm saying he's full of shit.

 

[silencewaits]

I think this is all quite irrelevant.

He propagated teachings that explicity include the achievement of immortality. I'm saying he's full of shit.

Are you immortal?