Planting illness and diseases into enemies

[Mannimarco]

True is that some people are surrounded by an army of entities who protect them.

So?

Thats also one reason why you just cant hex leaders.

You can do whatever you want. Some things are just much, much harder than other things.

The people who are truly untouchable

There are no such people.

have an army of entities in effect or several very powerful ones who protect them form all harm,

Anyone who is difficult to attack because they have entities protecting them, is not in that great of a place. There are many ways to deal with entities.

What i am attempting to get at, is that if you used protective magick, you would not even find a need to use your baneful magick, because nothing would touch you in the first place!

Most protective magick is designed to protect the practicioner from other practicioners and unfriendly spirits. This has little to no effect on how people treat you face to face, or in business dealings. Protecting yourself from those sorts of things can be done, but I'd say glamours would be way more effective in those cases. Opportunities for mistreatment, and retaliation with baneful magick, are always going to be a possibility.

Also, i say this due to the fact that; like nearly every other revenge story in history, most of the time revenge ends up consuming the one seeking it. It is a majorly dangerous game to play, and even if you are lucky so far, as always, it is not a matter of "if" it is a matter of "when" it will backfire.

And as long as you believe that, you will experience it to the degree that you believe it. But it will be you manifesting it, because there is no universal law making it happen. If someone really believes they are free and sovereign, they will never experience some inevitable backfire.

The closest thing to a backfire i've ever found, is attacks from entities who think they own earth, and are farming humans for energy. They don't like me doing baneful magick, not because they give a rat's arse about the people i've cursed, but because they don't like me gaining confidence and improving my magick. Their attacks could have been interpreted as curses backfiring, but that was not the case at all. Divination is important to find out exactly why something is happening, and not reach for the answer that confirms your preexisting beliefs.

 

[frater_pan]

frater_pan said:
The people who are truly untouchable

There are no such people.

Yes there are. at least from a practical perspective. Hitler, my evil stepmother, Ronald Reagan , Putin, the current WH incumbent (at least so far). There are many, many virtual untouchable people most of whom do evil. So they all eventually die but they are rarely called to justice before their death.

frater_pan said:
have an army of entities in effect or several very powerful ones who protect them form all harm,

Anyone who is difficult to attack because they have entities protecting them, is not in that great of a place. There are many ways to deal with entities.

Yes there are. But with these people and situations it's very, very difficult.

 

[Accipeveldare]

So?

You can do whatever you want. Some things are just much, much harder than other things.

There are no such people.

Anyone who is difficult to attack because they have entities protecting them, is not in that great of a place. There are many ways to deal with entities.

Most protective magick is designed to protect the practicioner from other practicioners and unfriendly spirits. This has little to no effect on how people treat you face to face, or in business dealings. Protecting yourself from those sorts of things can be done, but I'd say glamours would be way more effective in those cases. Opportunities for mistreatment, and retaliation with baneful magick, are always going to be a possibility.

And as long as you believe that, you will experience it to the degree that you believe it. But it will be you manifesting it, because there is no universal law making it happen. If someone really believes they are free and sovereign, they will never experience some inevitable backfire.

The closest thing to a backfire i've ever found, is attacks from entities who think they own earth, and are farming humans for energy. They don't like me doing baneful magick, not because they give a rat's arse about the people i've cursed, but because they don't like me gaining confidence and improving my magick. Their attacks could have been interpreted as curses backfiring, but that was not the case at all. Divination is important to find out exactly why something is happening, and not reach for the answer that confirms your preexisting beliefs.

People treating you badly face to face and in business dealings is exactly what im talking about as well! Protective magick isnt always "i did this so im untouchable" it is also performing the inner alchemy to not be psychologically effected by these interactions. The art of being indifferent to them, instead of vengeful. Those people who screw with you? Just be indifferent to it, dont waste energy on such petty things.

 

[Mannimarco]

frater_pan said:
The people who are truly untouchable

There are no such people.

Yes there are. at least from a practical perspective. Hitler, my evil stepmother, Ronald Reagan , Putin, the current WH incumbent (at least so far). There are many, many virtual untouchable people most of whom do evil. So they all eventually die but they are rarely called to justice before their death.

My my, how quickly the claim goes from people being "truly untouchable", to "truly untouchable, at least from a practical perspective."
Anyway, none of those people were/are untouchable. The existence of political figureheads, whose politics you don't like, does not in any way prove the concept of magickal untouchability.

The art of being indifferent to them, instead of vengeful. Those people who screw with you? Just be indifferent to it, dont waste energy on such petty things.

Good luck with that. I don't give a rats ass what you do, but this is not going to give you the results you think it will.

Firstly, one of the actual laws of this universe is the formation of patterns. Any way you let people treat you without retaliating, forms a pattern, and makes it easier for that treatment to happen again. This forms in both your own energy body, and the larger universe around you. If you like being abused, by all means carry on.

Secondly, if you ever wish to work with spirits, they are going to be hyper aware of how you have reacted to being mistreated in the past. And if you have responded to the past 576 instances of mistreatment with indifference, they know very well that they have a blank check to mistreat you too. This is especially true of destructive or warlike entities. Maybe jebus will be impressed by turning the other cheek, but its not a highly respected attitude generally. If you have responded to the past 576 instances of mistreatment with brutal magickal vengeance, spirits will view and treat you very differently.

So it is in no way a waste of energy, it is "training" the universe on how to relate to you.

Also this is a BLACK MAGICK sub forum, you preaching peaceful, indifferent, non resistance here is out of line.

 

[FireBorn]

I am just curious, of those who oppose the concept of magickal attacks, which of you have actually ever taken part in at least one? I am asking because I think it is important to separate book knowledge from actual lived experience (at least in this aspect of discussion).

Not to call anyone out directly, but do you have lived experience with it? Its easy to armchair theorize most things in magick. I wonder if its worth making a new thread for a follow on discussion. Thoughts?

 

[juanitos]

There are no such people.

My my, how quickly the claim goes from people being "truly untouchable", to "truly untouchable, at least from a practical perspective."
Anyway, none of those people were/are untouchable. The existence of political figureheads, whose politics you don't like, does not in any way prove the concept of magickal untouchability.

Good luck with that. I don't give a rats ass what you do, but this is not going to give you the results you think it will.

Firstly, one of the actual laws of this universe is the formation of patterns. Any way you let people treat you without retaliating, forms a pattern, and makes it easier for that treatment to happen again. This forms in both your own energy body, and the larger universe around you. If you like being abused, by all means carry on.

Secondly, if you ever wish to work with spirits, they are going to be hyper aware of how you have reacted to being mistreated in the past. And if you have responded to the past 576 instances of mistreatment with indifference, they know very well that they have a blank check to mistreat you too. This is especially true of destructive or warlike entities. Maybe jebus will be impressed by turning the other cheek, but its not a highly respected attitude generally. If you have responded to the past 576 instances of mistreatment with brutal magickal vengeance, spirits will view and treat you very differently.

So it is in no way a waste of energy, it is "training" the universe on how to relate to you.

Also this is a BLACK MAGICK sub forum, you preaching peaceful, indifferent, non resistance here is out of line.

I agree.. In this Universe, we are either a prey or a predator as Carlos Castaneda wrote...