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Mannimarco

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True is that some people are surrounded by an army of entities who protect them.
So?
Thats also one reason why you just cant hex leaders.
You can do whatever you want. Some things are just much, much harder than other things.
The people who are truly untouchable
There are no such people.
have an army of entities in effect or several very powerful ones who protect them form all harm,
Anyone who is difficult to attack because they have entities protecting them, is not in that great of a place. There are many ways to deal with entities.
What i am attempting to get at, is that if you used protective magick, you would not even find a need to use your baneful magick, because nothing would touch you in the first place!
Most protective magick is designed to protect the practicioner from other practicioners and unfriendly spirits. This has little to no effect on how people treat you face to face, or in business dealings. Protecting yourself from those sorts of things can be done, but I'd say glamours would be way more effective in those cases. Opportunities for mistreatment, and retaliation with baneful magick, are always going to be a possibility.
Also, i say this due to the fact that; like nearly every other revenge story in history, most of the time revenge ends up consuming the one seeking it. It is a majorly dangerous game to play, and even if you are lucky so far, as always, it is not a matter of "if" it is a matter of "when" it will backfire.
And as long as you believe that, you will experience it to the degree that you believe it. But it will be you manifesting it, because there is no universal law making it happen. If someone really believes they are free and sovereign, they will never experience some inevitable backfire.

The closest thing to a backfire i've ever found, is attacks from entities who think they own earth, and are farming humans for energy. They don't like me doing baneful magick, not because they give a rat's arse about the people i've cursed, but because they don't like me gaining confidence and improving my magick. Their attacks could have been interpreted as curses backfiring, but that was not the case at all. Divination is important to find out exactly why something is happening, and not reach for the answer that confirms your preexisting beliefs.
 

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frater_pan said:
The people who are truly untouchable
There are no such people.
Yes there are. at least from a practical perspective. Hitler, my evil stepmother, Ronald Reagan , Putin, the current WH incumbent (at least so far). There are many, many virtual untouchable people most of whom do evil. So they all eventually die but they are rarely called to justice before their death.
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have an army of entities in effect or several very powerful ones who protect them form all harm,
Anyone who is difficult to attack because they have entities protecting them, is not in that great of a place. There are many ways to deal with entities.
Yes there are. But with these people and situations it's very, very difficult.
 

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So?

You can do whatever you want. Some things are just much, much harder than other things.

There are no such people.

Anyone who is difficult to attack because they have entities protecting them, is not in that great of a place. There are many ways to deal with entities.

Most protective magick is designed to protect the practicioner from other practicioners and unfriendly spirits. This has little to no effect on how people treat you face to face, or in business dealings. Protecting yourself from those sorts of things can be done, but I'd say glamours would be way more effective in those cases. Opportunities for mistreatment, and retaliation with baneful magick, are always going to be a possibility.

And as long as you believe that, you will experience it to the degree that you believe it. But it will be you manifesting it, because there is no universal law making it happen. If someone really believes they are free and sovereign, they will never experience some inevitable backfire.

The closest thing to a backfire i've ever found, is attacks from entities who think they own earth, and are farming humans for energy. They don't like me doing baneful magick, not because they give a rat's arse about the people i've cursed, but because they don't like me gaining confidence and improving my magick. Their attacks could have been interpreted as curses backfiring, but that was not the case at all. Divination is important to find out exactly why something is happening, and not reach for the answer that confirms your preexisting beliefs.
People treating you badly face to face and in business dealings is exactly what im talking about as well! Protective magick isnt always "i did this so im untouchable" it is also performing the inner alchemy to not be psychologically effected by these interactions. The art of being indifferent to them, instead of vengeful. Those people who screw with you? Just be indifferent to it, dont waste energy on such petty things.
 

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frater_pan said:
The people who are truly untouchable
There are no such people.
Yes there are. at least from a practical perspective. Hitler, my evil stepmother, Ronald Reagan , Putin, the current WH incumbent (at least so far). There are many, many virtual untouchable people most of whom do evil. So they all eventually die but they are rarely called to justice before their death.
My my, how quickly the claim goes from people being "truly untouchable", to "truly untouchable, at least from a practical perspective."
Anyway, none of those people were/are untouchable. The existence of political figureheads, whose politics you don't like, does not in any way prove the concept of magickal untouchability.
The art of being indifferent to them, instead of vengeful. Those people who screw with you? Just be indifferent to it, dont waste energy on such petty things.
Good luck with that. I don't give a rats ass what you do, but this is not going to give you the results you think it will.

Firstly, one of the actual laws of this universe is the formation of patterns. Any way you let people treat you without retaliating, forms a pattern, and makes it easier for that treatment to happen again. This forms in both your own energy body, and the larger universe around you. If you like being abused, by all means carry on.

Secondly, if you ever wish to work with spirits, they are going to be hyper aware of how you have reacted to being mistreated in the past. And if you have responded to the past 576 instances of mistreatment with indifference, they know very well that they have a blank check to mistreat you too. This is especially true of destructive or warlike entities. Maybe jebus will be impressed by turning the other cheek, but its not a highly respected attitude generally. If you have responded to the past 576 instances of mistreatment with brutal magickal vengeance, spirits will view and treat you very differently.

So it is in no way a waste of energy, it is "training" the universe on how to relate to you.

Also this is a BLACK MAGICK sub forum, you preaching peaceful, indifferent, non resistance here is out of line.
 

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I am just curious, of those who oppose the concept of magickal attacks, which of you have actually ever taken part in at least one? I am asking because I think it is important to separate book knowledge from actual lived experience (at least in this aspect of discussion).

Not to call anyone out directly, but do you have lived experience with it? Its easy to armchair theorize most things in magick. I wonder if its worth making a new thread for a follow on discussion. Thoughts?
 

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There are no such people.

My my, how quickly the claim goes from people being "truly untouchable", to "truly untouchable, at least from a practical perspective."
Anyway, none of those people were/are untouchable. The existence of political figureheads, whose politics you don't like, does not in any way prove the concept of magickal untouchability.

Good luck with that. I don't give a rats ass what you do, but this is not going to give you the results you think it will.

Firstly, one of the actual laws of this universe is the formation of patterns. Any way you let people treat you without retaliating, forms a pattern, and makes it easier for that treatment to happen again. This forms in both your own energy body, and the larger universe around you. If you like being abused, by all means carry on.

Secondly, if you ever wish to work with spirits, they are going to be hyper aware of how you have reacted to being mistreated in the past. And if you have responded to the past 576 instances of mistreatment with indifference, they know very well that they have a blank check to mistreat you too. This is especially true of destructive or warlike entities. Maybe jebus will be impressed by turning the other cheek, but its not a highly respected attitude generally. If you have responded to the past 576 instances of mistreatment with brutal magickal vengeance, spirits will view and treat you very differently.

So it is in no way a waste of energy, it is "training" the universe on how to relate to you.

Also this is a BLACK MAGICK sub forum, you preaching peaceful, indifferent, non resistance here is out of line.
I agree.. In this Universe, we are either a prey or a predator as Carlos Castaneda wrote...
 

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In the part of the world where I was born and grew up, especially in rural areas, people are more or less sensitive to magical influences, and everyone knows something about magic, or knows someone who knows more. It so happened that I started learning the traditional magical skills of my native region. I had success in love spells and scaring certain people, but then I got into a conflict with a guy who was physically stronger than me, and I decided to remove him by magical means. For that purpose, I obtained 'funeral water,' since it is customary here to ritually wash the deceased, and I managed to get water with which the corpse had been bathed. I got some of my victim's hair and did everything I needed to do. Soon the guy fell ill, suddenly and rapidly. Of course, his mother had good intuition, she quickly alarmed some older women and they referred her to a certain older witch who was known for removing spells, witchcraft and casting evil spells. Soon, the guy I threw spells at was healed, and I suddenly fell ill, and I was on the verge of death. Then my mother did the same thing and came up with another similar witch. The witch came to us, looked at me, and I told her what had happened.

The other witch immediately knew what it was actually about and who was behind it. Then she went to that witch and negotiated with her about my life. The other witch agreed to spare me, but we had to pay her a large sum of money. Because of that, my parents took me to that witch so she could perform a ritual on me, and we also had to carry out some additional things. So, somehow I managed to get out of it, and I had to leave my native village and move to the city. The traditional magic of my country recognizes the reciprocal impact of magical actions. So, this is not about my targeted person somehow retaliating against me, but rather turning to a more powerful person for help. Through my reckless actions, I caused a wave of actions and reactions that resulted in me suffering the consequences even today. So, with my act, I did not attack just that particular guy, but also his entire family, relatives, the entire clan by attacking him. Then I realized that the best victims are lonely people, not tradicional one, interconected and rooted in magical related background. But such unprotected people are rarely a source of danger, except if they are reckless and arrogant fools. In that sense, all your arguments are valid and mine are wrong. To better understand what I am talking about, imagine finding yourself in a magical conflict with Haitians or Wallachians (my case). What would your chances be then?

Then I realized that such a type of magic should be used in a calculated manner, not just because I can. Therefore, one should first 'scan' their victim in a certain way. I do not know where you people live and in what environment, but in Third World countries, especially in rural areas, people do not practice dark magic from some grimoires or sources on the internet, but based on knowledge that is passed down generationally. I come from such an environment, and that is why I give my warning to unexperienced black magician. So, before you make any move, thoroughly, carefully, and patiently observe your victim, their habits, their energy, their social connections, their background, and only then act. Be patient and watch. Hurry and anger are not good helpers.

"Baneful magic" is just one aspect of black magic. Its real goal is not to take "revenge" on anyone but to draw vital energy from others, or if that is not the case, to make other people your willing or unwilling slaves and servants. The great beauty of dark magic is your gradual transformation into a monster.
 

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imagine finding yourself in a magical conflict with Haitians or Wallachians (my case). What would your chances be then?
I don't know, but the extensive divination I would do, would tell me EXACTLY what my chances would be, what kind of magick those people are weak or strong to, and much much more.
"Baneful magic" is just one aspect of black magic. Its real goal is not to take "revenge" on anyone but to draw vital energy from others, or if that is not the case, to make other people your willing or unwilling slaves and servants. The great beauty of dark magic is your gradual transformation into a monster.
If that's what YOU do with black magick, that is entirely on you. Anyone can do whatever they want with baneful magick. I am not transforming into a monster, I am transforming into a more powerful version of myself.
Soon the guy fell ill, suddenly and rapidly. Of course, his mother had good intuition, she quickly alarmed some older women and they referred her to a certain older witch who was known for removing spells, witchcraft and casting evil spells. Soon, the guy I threw spells at was healed, and I suddenly fell ill, and I was on the verge of death.
So to recap, you threw a death curse, without divination, and obviously without protections that would prevent it being sent back at you, AND YOU DID ALL THIS IN WALLACHIA?

You knew very well that there are witches all around you, who are way more powerful than you, and everyone believes in magick, and that people commonly/normally seek out those powerful witches help in the case of usual illnesses?

What else could have possibly happened? How else could the situation have possibly ended?

And you think that you need to tell people what to do? Based on your past good decisions?

Again, THIS IS THE BLACK MAGICK SUB FORUM. IT'S FOR PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT PRACTICING BLACK MAGICK. IF YOU DON'T THINK PEOPLE SHOULD PRACTICE BLACK MAGICK, WTF ARE YOU DOING HERE?
 

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And you think that you need to tell people what to do? Based on your past good decisions?

Again, THIS IS THE BLACK MAGICK SUB FORUM. IT'S FOR PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT PRACTICING BLACK MAGICK. IF YOU DON'T THINK PEOPLE SHOULD PRACTICE BLACK MAGICK, WTF ARE YOU DOING HERE?
Yes, my decisions have been bad and thoughtless. Maybe I am a foolish person, but essentially I want to be constructive on this forum.
I did not say that black magic should not be practiced. Also, I am interested in other people's viewpoints and experiences. You mentioned divination and protection before engaging in a magical act, so I would ask you to explain some basic instructions in that regard.
 

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I am just curious, of those who oppose the concept of magickal attacks, which of you have actually ever taken part in at least one? I am asking because I think it is important to separate book knowledge from actual lived experience (at least in this aspect of discussion).

Not to call anyone out directly, but do you have lived experience with it? Its easy to armchair theorize most things in magick. I wonder if its worth making a new thread for a follow on discussion. Thoughts?
I have done it before. It worked, and i did not like it.
I don't know, but the extensive divination I would do, would tell me EXACTLY what my chances would be, what kind of magick those people are weak or strong to, and much much more.

If that's what YOU do with black magick, that is entirely on you. Anyone can do whatever they want with baneful magick. I am not transforming into a monster, I am transforming into a more powerful version of myself.

So to recap, you threw a death curse, without divination, and obviously without protections that would prevent it being sent back at you, AND YOU DID ALL THIS IN WALLACHIA?

You knew very well that there are witches all around you, who are way more powerful than you, and everyone believes in magick, and that people commonly/normally seek out those powerful witches help in the case of usual illnesses?

What else could have possibly happened? How else could the situation have possibly ended?

And you think that you need to tell people what to do? Based on your past good decisions?

Again, THIS IS THE BLACK MAGICK SUB FORUM. IT'S FOR PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT PRACTICING BLACK MAGICK. IF YOU DON'T THINK PEOPLE SHOULD PRACTICE BLACK MAGICK, WTF ARE YOU DOING HERE?
Also, on your point about black magick, a lot of people dont view black magick as baneful magick, you will find. For some, black magick is magick that helps the self. For others, it may be magick that is considered taboo by mainstream traditions, and for some, it is just another term for the LHP.
 

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You mentioned divination and protection before engaging in a magical act, so I would ask you to explain some basic instructions in that regard.
No.
You, Accipeveldare, and frater_pan have already derailed this thread into oblivion with your off topic and irrelevant babbling. Blue Wizard has learned next to nothing compared to what they could have.
a lot of people dont view black magick as baneful magick
Yes they do. So much so that it's unhelpful.
Quit your semantic whining, you know very well what I was saying.
 
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