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Protections When Working With Demons

The God-King

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Do you use them? All of the time? Even with demons you have a working relationship with? Why or why not? For me, I use protections each and every time I work with a spirit, demon or not. Even angels. Only spirits I don't use protections for are my ancestors. What about you?
 

The God-King

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What kind of protections do you use specifically
Preliminary protection prayers and invocations to begin with. Some may argue the act of achieving Divine Authority may provide some protections. Then the Circle and Triangle. Depending on the type of spirit being evoked, there may be an angel or two "presiding" over the working as a whole as an extra measure. Certain seals and talismans may be in use depending on which grimoire I'm using.
 

The God-King

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i use protection prayers as well but more so to deter trickster spirits than anything else. I have been fooled before.
A bit off topic but: Precisely the problem with New Age "channeling". These New Agers tend to think that every spirit you come into contact with is not only the one you intended to call, but also benevolent. Furthest thing from the truth. Trickster and imposter spirits exist And one should know how to not only identify one but also what to do if you encounter one.
 

Mart

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A bit off topic but: Precisely the problem with New Age "channeling". These New Agers tend to think that every spirit you come into contact with is not only the one you intended to call, but also benevolent. Furthest thing from the truth. Trickster and imposter spirits exist And one should know how to not only identify one but also what to do if you encounter one.
Care to make another thread going into more detail? :D
 

Grundy

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A bit off topic but: Precisely the problem with New Age "channeling". These New Agers tend to think that every spirit you come into contact with is not only the one you intended to call, but also benevolent. Furthest thing from the truth. Trickster and imposter spirits exist And one should know how to not only identify one but also what to do if you encounter one.
haha sry TGK, it is slightly off topic. I had to learn it the hard way too. Some local fae spirits in my country (we call them encanto) tricked me into believing I was channeling Inanna back when I was working my way through the Mesopotamian pantheon. Totally creeped me out too when I caught them in a lie during channeling. Basically I asked them if they were lying to me during channeling and I got a resounding yes, it felt really sinister and broke my trance. Had some light poltergeist activity for a couple days and couple of night hauntings so I had to visit a local healer (we call them mangagamot) to help me banish the spirits that were hovering around me. Since then I sage the crap out my space, place sigils of my patrons around my house before contacting new entities.
 
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A bit off topic but: Precisely the problem with New Age "channeling". These New Agers tend to think that every spirit you come into contact with is not only the one you intended to call, but also benevolent. Furthest thing from the truth. Trickster and imposter spirits exist And one should know how to not only identify one but also what to do if you encounter one.
Bruh YES! You'd think the only thing protecting those poor loonies is how ineffective their practice may be at finding an actual spirit.
 

Fausto

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Do you use them? All of the time? Even with demons you have a working relationship with? Why or why not? For me, I use protections each and every time I work with a spirit, demon or not. Even angels. Only spirits I don't use protections for are my ancestors. What about you?
It depends...but I know people who do not use any protection, however each person has its own methods.

I ask for myself...why would I make protecions for working with angels...I mean, just a doubt as for that.
 

The God-King

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I ask for myself...why would I make protecions for working with angels...I mean, just a doubt as for that.
Angels can fuck you up just as well as demons can help and heal. Entertainment media has done a phenomenal job of making angels seem like they can do no wrong and demons can only do wrong. But that is the furthest thing from the truth. What about angels such as Tartaruch who is a angel who rules over punishments. We find this angel in the Visions of Paul writings. Or the angel Za'afiel, whom we find in Enoch 3, who is an angel of destruction. In the Testament of Solomon we learn that the angels of punishment are ruled over by the Archangels of punishment who are themselves ruled by the Angel of Death. So yeah..... protections needed šŸ˜‚
 

Fausto

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Angels can fuck you up just as well as demons can help and heal. Entertainment media has done a phenomenal job of making angels seem like they can do no wrong and demons can only do wrong. But that is the furthest thing from the truth. What about angels such as Tartaruch who is a angel who rules over punishments. We find this angel in the Visions of Paul writings. Or the angel Za'afiel, whom we find in Enoch 3, who is an angel of destruction. In the Testament of Solomon we learn that the angels of punishment are ruled over by the Archangels of punishment who are themselves ruled by the Angel of Death. So yeah..... protections needed šŸ˜‚
Thanks for the insights, you are right as for working to "demons", they really help you, although their methods are a little brutal, I will take a look in the angel's mames and I will make My own research, thanks again.
 

Lemongrass00

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It depends...but I know people who do not use any protection, however each person has its own methods.

I ask for myself...why would I make protecions for working with angels...I mean, just a doubt as for that.
Which system do you use to invoke angels? Also imposter spirits can easily pretend to be angels if you use no protection.
 

Fausto

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Which system do you use to invoke angels? Also imposter spirits can easily pretend to be angels if you use no protection.
I use a simple circle for evoking demons, but, with angels I use the pendulum for asking if I need some protection, untill now, no problems as for that.
 

Lemongrass00

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I use a simple circle for evoking demons, but, with angels I use the pendulum for asking if I need some protection, untill now, no problems as for that.
I meant what system of magic do you use for invoking angels.
 

Alfher

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Do you use them? All of the time? Even with demons you have a working relationship with? Why or why not? For me, I use protections each and every time I work with a spirit, demon or not. Even angels. Only spirits I don't use protections for are my ancestors. What about you?

The system of magic I practice focuses on extensive personal development as a foundation of everything else, and the beginning spirits I work with are the ancestors and the local land spirits who I basically view and treat as neighbors. So I have several layers of basic protection that are a constant, from working on the personal magical fitness of my aura, shielding, household wards, a magical "neighborhood watch," etc.

Work beyond the regular defenses depends on who I'm dealing with. Most spirits I approach with neutrality until a relationship is cultivated. If I know someone is or might be antagonistic to me, I take extra precautions. And if I have an established relationship with someone, we work according to our mutual comfort levels, which vary as they do in all relationships and can change over time.

I've learned that, in my praxis at least, a lot of it comes down to honor and respect. I work hard to be an honorable man in every facet of life, and the spirits I work with tend to respect that and don't screw me over. Sometimes they scold me, but they haven't harmed me yet. lol
 

Grundy

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Angels can fuck you up just as well as demons can help and heal. Entertainment media has done a phenomenal job of making angels seem like they can do no wrong and demons can only do wrong. But that is the furthest thing from the truth. What about angels such as Tartaruch who is a angel who rules over punishments. We find this angel in the Visions of Paul writings. Or the angel Za'afiel, whom we find in Enoch 3, who is an angel of destruction. In the Testament of Solomon we learn that the angels of punishment are ruled over by the Archangels of punishment who are themselves ruled by the Angel of Death. So yeah..... protections needed šŸ˜‚
this is true. I tried once to work with Angels and they came off as really snobby haha. Again sry off topic hahaha.

A little more info on what protections I use tho. I made a pact with my Patron Entities and they ended up giving me some personal sigils worked in with their own that I place around my house and places where I work my craft. So far its been pretty effective. Not just in warding trickster spirits but even in keeping me focused during workings especially when some light poltergeist activity happens.
 
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Angels can fuck you up just as well as demons can help and heal. Entertainment media has done a phenomenal job of making angels seem like they can do no wrong and demons can only do wrong. But that is the furthest thing from the truth. What about angels such as Tartaruch who is a angel who rules over punishments. We find this angel in the Visions of Paul writings. Or the angel Za'afiel, whom we find in Enoch 3, who is an angel of destruction. In the Testament of Solomon we learn that the angels of punishment are ruled over by the Archangels of punishment who are themselves ruled by the Angel of Death. So yeah..... protections needed šŸ˜‚
"bE nOt aFrAiD!", as the floating eye with wheels surrounding it rips you a new asshole.
 
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