[Opinion] Qliphoth, atavisticism and rejection of civilization.

[Parallax]

I am curious on the thoughts of those that work with the qliphoth.

I have come to conclude that ultimately, the qliphoth Is the path of avatistic evolution.

That being the total rejection of collective society and the development of the individual in a animalistic, intuitive new consciousness. This is of course my own gnosis so feel free to disagree.

Anyone else who may be doing work with the qliphoth, how is/was your experience in it.

 

[Roma]

The dark (out-breath) and light (in-breath) are implicit in the non-religious version of Tsimtsum - and of course the Yin-Yang.

There are however entities that go out of balance having either too much light or too much dark. When such entities have no hope of recovery they may have the divine life withdrawn from them - as a form of mercy.

So who wishes to live off and in the discarded forms on the various planes?

 

[Parallax]

The dark (out-breath) and light (in-breath) are implicit in the non-religious version of Tsimtsum - and of course the Yin-Yang.

There are however entities that go out of balance having either too much light or too much dark. When such entities have no hope of recovery they may have the divine life withdrawn from them - as a form of mercy.

So who wishes to live off and in the discarded forms on the various planes?

This really doesn’t address the question or even the concept I’ve put forth.
Why even comment if it’s not related to the topic, if you are anti-qliphoth then don’t read the thread.
Please and thank you

 

[KjEno186]

It sounds fascinating. I'm sorry I have nothing meaningful to contribute at this time other than saying it's always been a fantasy of mine to 'escape' civilization. The adventures of Thor Heyerdahl in the Marquesas Islands convinced my teenaged self how utterly dull my suburban childhood was by comparison. Of course, his book, Fatu Hiva, wasn't exactly a description of paradise on Earth, though I did eventually live for several years in the Caribbean.

That said, I recently downloaded Thomas Karlsson's Qabalah, Qliphoth and Goetic Magic. I've not had the time to read it yet. For that matter, I've also yet to read Evola's Revolt Against the Modern World.

 

[8Lou1]

I think one might call it that, yes. Although i prefer to call it the natural state of a human in this time.

I dont know how it worked for others, but one of the main problems i encountered was the freedom of my sexuality. It seems women encounter that problem more often then men when traversing the abyss and certain shells.

Ive also had the pleasure to show some of the entities of the qliffoth how life is now and here. Some i taught what a pc is. They were freakin confused at first, but now...

And still every now and then i show some that for example dresscode can be different, but we mean the same thing.

I quite like it.

 

[Sitrah_Ahra_Gloria]

I am curious on the thoughts of those that work with the qliphoth.

I have come to conclude that ultimately, the qliphoth Is the path of avatistic evolution.

That being the total rejection of collective society and the development of the individual in a animalistic, intuitive new consciousness. This is of course my own gnosis so feel free to disagree.

Anyone else who may be doing work with the qliphoth, how is/was your experience in it.

I think that's a very good description of it. I think Qlippoth embraces new ideas in the calcified world of traditional RHP spirituality.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

If qlippothoc invocation opens the floodgates for spillover, I could see a battle on society of a spiritual and physical nature.
It would be the glorification of the nephesh?
I don't really knowuch about the qlippoth except excerpts from karlssoms book and attempted evocations a half decade ago.

 

[Sitrah_Ahra_Gloria]

Spill over....you'll have that in some of your bigger jobs.

Fuego the choice between two impulses of the two souls of man, are a moment by moment expression of free will in the truest spiritual sense of the words. The battle between kedusha and Sitra Ahra takes place in the heart,mind and soul of every man and woman all day every day bud.

 

[Parallax]

That’s a

Spill over....you'll have that in some of your bigger jobs.

Fuego the choice between two impulses of the two souls of man, are a moment by moment expression of free will in the truest spiritual sense of the words. The battle between kedusha and Sitra Ahra takes place in the heart,mind and soul of every man and woman all day every day bud.

That’s a good concept.
I’m not sure, the community I’ve witness holds a strong hostility to the general Christian concepts and idea of angels.
Now if these forms truly represent a spiritual archons of a demiurge entity, it’s totally warranted.
But the concept of the demiurge is the creation of men that masks that of a divine fullness or oneness of all things.
So I’m not sure if I would outright reject any concept of working with lighter forces, only ones that are guided to me through my spiritual work with the dark.
as such that the forces aren’t in conflict but harmony.

 

[Roma]

The battle between kedusha and Sitra Ahra

I am not sure that a binary perspective is complete.

Even in the physical world, most objects on two legs/supports are likely to fall over. A third (neutral?) point allows stability without constant effort

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

I am curious on the thoughts of those that work with the qliphoth.

I have come to conclude that ultimately, the qliphoth Is the path of avatistic evolution.

That being the total rejection of collective society and the development of the individual in a animalistic, intuitive new consciousness. This is of course my own gnosis so feel free to disagree.

Anyone else who may be doing work with the qliphoth, how is/was your experience in it.

I think this was tried through LaVeys writings, long before many of the contemporary authors of qlippoth were in diapers at the time. To be animalistic, to live through the satanic laws, is to actually defy nature. We aren't meant, as the writings say, to be animals but to be man. An übermensch.
I guess it means more expansion on your concept.

 

[Centh]

The qlipphoth is a very personal thing.

 

[Sitrah_Ahra_Gloria]

That’s a

That’s a good concept.
I’m not sure, the community I’ve witness holds a strong hostility to the general Christian concepts and idea of angels.
Now if these forms truly represent a spiritual archons of a demiurge entity, it’s totally warranted.
But the concept of the demiurge is the creation of men that masks that of a divine fullness or oneness of all things.
So I’m not sure if I would outright reject any concept of working with lighter forces, only ones that are guided to me through my spiritual work with the dark.
as such that the forces aren’t in conflict but harmony.

Here's the problem with the angels and the "holy" side of the equation. The angels have agendas just like demons do. Consider the conflict between Sitra Ahra and kedusha, light and dark, angelic and demonic. All of this takes place ok the inner planes ( usually) and within the human heart.

Not only do angels have agendas, they seek to glorify YHVH ( tetragrammaton) in all words, thoughts and deeds.

Angels have another function keeping this universe ( universe A) clean and running properly. That means seeking out the spirits and entities of Sitra ahra that got free ( typically from working with a LHP magician) and escorting them back to Sitra ahra before they can throw a monkey wrench into the gears that move everything.

I don't want or need angelic meddling or scheming in my practice. I do not work with angels hardly ever.

There's nothing wrong with picking a side and staying in your lane.

I'm happy with Qlippoth.

 

[Centh]

Here's the problem with the angels and the "holy" side of the equation. The angels have agendas just like demons do. Consider the conflict between Sitra Ahra and kedusha, light and dark, angelic and demonic. All of this takes place ok the inner planes ( usually) and within the human heart.

Not only do angels have agendas, they seek to glorify YHVH ( tetragrammaton) in all words, thoughts and deeds.

Angels have another function keeping this universe ( universe A) clean and running properly. That means seeking out the spirits and entities of Sitra ahra that got free ( typically from working with a LHP magician) and escorting them back to Sitra ahra before they can throw a monkey wrench into the gears that move everything.

I don't want or need angelic meddling or scheming in my practice. I do not work with angels hardly ever.

There's nothing wrong with picking a side and staying in your lane.

I'm happy with Qlippoth.

I've worked with both angels and demons without much issue in the past. I've done the Sephiroth and the Qliphoth.

I always actually wondered if the spirits that guided me were imposters, but it doesn't feel like they are. If I'm just following my intuition, then this is what I feel. I just feel like a lot of good can be done with open source mentoring, and there's a great risk of mental collapse to the practitioner who draws lines between good and bad spirits. If that were a real thing, it would be a lot easier to choose partners and patrons.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

But what of society would be rejected? Im still trying to get at the original thought behind it. In what ways would Qlippoth improve over the Sepheroth, or vice versa? I see the point about corralling the freed demons and escorting them back to where they belong. I also see the point that the qlippoth beings and demons have their own personalities, were once angels watchers or gods/goddesses. I dont wanna sing sympathy for the devil, but it rocks and the lyrics have merit.

 

[Sitrah_Ahra_Gloria]

Fuego what would be different if qlippoth had more influence I think is people would be harder and stronger, more self aware and self sufficient.

In the book of Sitra Ahra the author recommends the practicioner be like wolf living among sheep.

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Is the argument essentially Only The Strong Survive? In what sense if so, physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually?

Scratch this, Mike already answered it.

 

[Centh]

Fuego what would be different if qlippoth had more influence I think is people would be harder and stronger, more self aware and self sufficient.

In the book of Sitra Ahra the author recommends the practicioner be like wolf living among sheep.

Wolves don't really even give off the "independence" vibe cause they're absolutely pack animals that rely on each other. What does "being like a wolf among sheep" even imply?

 

[Sitrah_Ahra_Gloria]

Wolves don't really even give off the "independence" vibe cause they're absolutely pack animals that rely on each other. What does "being like a wolf among sheep" even imply?

I don't know, and you've got a point. I didn't understanding a great deal of the book of Sitra Ahra. I don't have enough skill with gematria.

 

[Sitrah_Ahra_Gloria]

Wolves don't really even give off the "independence" vibe cause they're absolutely pack animals that rely on each other. What does "being like a wolf among sheep" even imply?

I think the book of Sitra Ahra was a little edgelordish. Just my opinion.