[Opinion] Qliphoth, atavisticism and rejection of civilization.

[Centh]

Just use what works, right? Keep your relationships liquid by not being a dick to people. Find the support you need in people. I have never met another person who was totally independent, and I would not expect people to easily learn a daunting practice or procedure with no guidance from people.

I say just be compassionate, if you can choose yourself.

 

[Sitrah_Ahra_Gloria]

Just use what works, right? Keep your relationships liquid by not being a dick to people. Find the support you need in people. I have never met another person who was totally independent, and I would not expect people to easily learn a daunting practice or procedure with no guidance from people.

I say just be compassionate, if you can choose yourself.

No man is an island unto himself.

But let's consider do we have the society and rulership we deserve?

It's ok to go with the flow sometimes and other times to go against it.

I just do me anyway.

 

[Centh]

No man is an island unto himself.

But let's consider do we have the society and rulership we deserve?

It's ok to go with the flow sometimes and other times to go against it.

I just do me anyway.

It's not all or nothing. I don't really like our society right now. I can still find warmth and mentorship in others.

I mean, the government isn't stopping me from being a neurosurgeon, nor is society. But I can't really expect to help someone with the know-how I have available to me now. If I never had a teacher from this day until I died, I wouldn't be a very good neurosurgeon.

You deserve the best humanity can give us: the best humanity can give you. You deserve assistance, just like everyone else.

 

[Centh]

No man is an island unto himself.

But let's consider do we have the society and rulership we deserve?

It's ok to go with the flow sometimes and other times to go against it.

I just do me anyway.

I get what you're saying, though. If we were apart of a larger collective, it would be much larger than what we have on this dimension of understanding.

 

[Sitrah_Ahra_Gloria]

It's not all or nothing. I don't really like our society right now. I can still find warmth and mentorship in others.

I mean, the government isn't stopping me from being a neurosurgeon, nor is society. But I can't really expect to help someone with the know-how I have available to me now. If I never had a teacher from this day until I died, I wouldn't be a very good neurosurgeon.

You deserve the best humanity can give us: the best humanity can give you. You deserve assistance, just like everyone else.

Well you're right we do deserve that, and myself I think if we truly are made in the image of God ( which we are) we deserve better on many levels. I wonder when we collectively will come to expect more...

 

[Centh]

Well you're right we do deserve that, and myself I think if we truly are made in the image of God ( which we are) we deserve better on many levels. I wonder when we collectively will come to expect more...

We already have.

I read recently that education without liberation leads the oppressed to strive towards becoming the oppressor.

 

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

Last weekend I went with my girlfriend to a Pride festival with Halloween theme at a church in the nearby city, Ypsilanti MI.
There were dozens or artists and vendors selling stuff, live entertainment, everyone was at peace, no-one with a chip on their shoulder.
Thats the kind of new world and civilization I could dig - costume of you want to and you're not a laughingstock, just peace abiding and coexisting.

 

[Mider2009]

I think many people try to let go of the world in various ways

some Kabbalists or Rabbis seem to study 24/7, some monks live in monetary‘s praying and working all day as do nuns. There are Hindus who are ascetics

i think to a point even the non ascetic is called to separate from the world or its worldly ways, theres A teaching that man disconnected from God and nature via living in the big cities, Cain haging built the first city, having been the first murderer

The point I guess is living in civilization, respecting nature, living an honest life and above all honoring God, it’s not needed to be without sex, meat, booze...though some go that far

 

[Mider2009]

Here's the problem with the angels and the "holy" side of the equation. The angels have agendas just like demons do. Consider the conflict between Sitra Ahra and kedusha, light and dark, angelic and demonic. All of this takes place ok the inner planes ( usually) and within the human heart.

Not only do angels have agendas, they seek to glorify YHVH ( tetragrammaton) in all words, thoughts and deeds.

Angels have another function keeping this universe ( universe A) clean and running properly. That means seeking out the spirits and entities of Sitra ahra that got free ( typically from working with a LHP magician) and escorting them back to Sitra ahra before they can throw a monkey wrench into the gears that move everything.

I don't want or need angelic meddling or scheming in my practice. I do not work with angels hardly ever.

There's nothing wrong with picking a side and staying in your lane.

I'm happy with Qlippoth.

There is no “agenda” Angels are servants, some are like robots. Demons are also just created beings

don't fall into the trap thinking that there are warring powers in heaven...this universe is just something God created. Everything is from God, under Gods control etc

 

[Mider2009]

Here's the problem with the angels and the "holy" side of the equation. The angels have agendas just like demons do. Consider the conflict between Sitra Ahra and kedusha, light and dark, angelic and demonic. All of this takes place ok the inner planes ( usually) and within the human heart.

Not only do angels have agendas, they seek to glorify YHVH ( tetragrammaton) in all words, thoughts and deeds.

Angels have another function keeping this universe ( universe A) clean and running properly. That means seeking out the spirits and entities of Sitra ahra that got free ( typically from working with a LHP magician) and escorting them back to Sitra ahra before they can throw a monkey wrench into the gears that move everything.

I don't want or need angelic meddling or scheming in my practice. I do not work with angels hardly ever.

There's nothing wrong with picking a side and staying in your lane.

I'm happy with Qlippoth.

Having said that...if you choose the Qlippoth they wont stop you

 

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

I think many people try to let go of the world in various ways

some Kabbalists or Rabbis seem to study 24/7, some monks live in monetary‘s praying and working all day as do nuns. There are Hindus who are ascetics

i think to a point even the non ascetic is called to separate from the world or its worldly ways, theres A teaching that man disconnected from God and nature via living in the big cities, Cain haging built the first city, having been the first murderer

The point I guess is living in civilization, respecting nature, living an honest life and above all honoring God, it’s not needed to be without sex, meat, booze...though some go that far

I can agree with all that.

 

[Centh]

I'd make a sexy god.

jk lol but seriously, the many people who reject monotheism all have their own reasons. I just find the idea of an omnipotent, omniscient god who both fatalistically created me and is disappointed with me odd.

 

[Sitrah_Ahra_Gloria]

There is no “agenda” Angels are servants, some are like robots. Demons are also just created beings don't fall into the trap thinking that there are warring powers in heaven...this universe is just something God created. Everything is from God, under Gods control etc

While I do agree it's all under gods control I reject that concept of there is no war, all is love and peace. I'm not buying it. Sorry.

 

[Mider2009]

While I do agree it's all under gods control I reject that concept of there is no war, all is love and peace. I'm not buying it. Sorry.

I don’t know what you mean, I never said there’s no war, I’m just saying there is no battling for control of heaven of Gods place, that’s a myth

 

[Roma]

it's all under gods control

It is common to encourage human parents to let their children have some freedom to experience. Is God as good as human parents?

 

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

Two sets of parents based on my upbringing (theoretically)
1. My Baptist family, kind, generous, hard working, responsible, educational, loving, taught me what it means to be a man, even if society doesn't cooperate with me.
2. Parents of friends who didn't care what they did, kicked them out to make them homeless.

Which set of freedom would you enjoy more? Which would make you a more whole person?
More importantly, which set of parents would encourage the Qlippoth, and would you really want to see that become the norm?

Which option would you have come from as far as parents go?

 

[Centh]

Two sets of parents based on my upbringing (theoretically)
1. My Baptist family, kind, generous, hard working, responsible, educational, loving, taught me what it means to be a man, even if society doesn't cooperate with me.
2. Parents of friends who didn't care what they did, kicked them out to make them homeless.

Which set of freedom would you enjoy more? Which would make you a more whole person?
More importantly, which set of parents would encourage the Qlippoth, and would you really want to see that become the norm?

Which option would you have come from as far as parents go?

None of my parents would encourage the Qliphoth because it's fuckin' weird as hell. Even my older sibling (who is atheist/agnostic leaning) would probably be like "Heyyy, if those demons ARE real then that sounds like you're opening yourself up to unsavory experiences"

 

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

Exactly.
I recall debating with a friend while I was endorsing The Satanic Bible list of commandments.
He effectively trashed each one without use of the Bible.

To be a complete and utter chaotic and anarchistic world does not seem to me to be fulfilling. But that is my own opinion.

Let us first contemplate Gemalia (?) and Lilith. The Obscene Ones. The Bloody Ones. STD, Rape, etc. Not valuable in our society.

 

[Centh]

Exactly.
I recall debating with a friend while I was endorsing The Satanic Bible list of commandments.
He effectively trashed each one without use of the Bible.

To be a complete and utter chaotic and anarchistic world does not seem to me to be fulfilling. But that is my own opinion.

Let us first contemplate Gemalia (?) and Lilith. The Obscene Ones. The Bloody Ones. STD, Rape, etc. Not valuable in our society.

I do not see the Qliphoth in such ways. I see the paths, Sephiroth and Qliphoth, and masteries of different sides of the same coin. When I went into the Qliphoth, I wasn't thinking "ooh! im gonna be so profane and vile!"
actually, in both paths, I only thought of power. So power is what I saw on those paths, then. I saw some symbolisms of mastering one's darker impulses, but none of mine are hidden. I'm fairly certain that even those are masks to the greater knowledge that's even harder to understand raw for humans.

All paths seem eerily the same, and that is because they share an origin. How you choose to develop the power can be as specified into different traditions and practices, so much so that you may have different results.

I fear, although I am not sure, that it is not within the nature of humans to experience a path to power that has ideal efficiency, or the least amount of symbolism.

 

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

I see your points.

However, there is a term in modern society, "Toxic Male". Now my interpretation and opinion on that is likely to start a major flame war.
However, let's consider that as we open the Qlippoth up. How many of us have skeletons in our closet? I have several. If the Qlippoth were opened up, I would not be a role model for the current society, but possibly one for that world.

Powerful. Yes. Pretty or stable, no.