[Help] The Failed Magician

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

Where do they end up in the afterlife?
What do they do in normal waking life henceforward?

 

[OrdinaryTourist]

Where do they end up in the afterlife?
What do they do in normal waking life henceforward?

I'd imagine if there is reincarnation, they'd be born slightly more attuned to the practice and then maybe they'd get a second shot. If not, well, then it depends on what you believe. They could burn in hell for eternity for even attempting it. Or they could just go to new age abstract DMT astral plane land with everyone else. You won't know until you die.

 

[NamKra]

their work and properties ends up being owned by facility divines, and if they are accepted by divine female, they can have reincarnation, but they lose everything, and getting care from feminine is not that easy job anyway, i wouldnt look after every "brother" if it would be up to me..

 

[Öwnchef]

The Dark Brothers. They are respected, though.

 

[Öwnchef]

Do not mix up with the Blues Brothers!

 

[Ancient]

What constitutes failure as a magician? If there’s a divine rulebook stating you’ve gotta reach the ultimate goal in this life someone forgot to give me my copy.

Experience can only be gained, never lost.

 

[league]

I agree with Ancient. There is no rulebook. And failure in some cases people learned more than success. So there is no Pass or fail there is do or don't.

 

[KjEno186]

 

[KjEno186]

What do they do in normal waking life henceforward?

Sell books about magick on Amazon?

 

[Mider2009]

Your negative thoughts etc effect your afterlife

as do your positive, it’s what the Kabbalah calls creating angels and demons

 

[William66]

Where do they end up in the afterlife?
What do they do in normal waking life henceforward?

What do you mean with ”failed” magicians? I just want to understand your question more deeply!

 

[Erosphore]

After death you either get tricked into the light (let's hope not), or be free and explore/create your own worlds. If you have debts then you go and pay them. You don't get punished unless you think you deserve it, and there is no punishment for being a failed magician.

 

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

Okay. My impression was that they would be sent to hell to be the punishment for violating commandments. If they failed in the Great Work or switched sides (oaths and consequences).
Otherwise, if they continued their course and accomplished the Great Work, the HGA and the Stone, then they passed into wherever they pleased.
Ive no idea where I got all this from however.

 

[Mider2009]

Okay. My impression was that they would be sent to hell to be the punishment for violating commandments. If they failed in the Great Work or switched sides (oaths and consequences).
Otherwise, if they continued their course and accomplished the Great Work, the HGA and the Stone, then they passed into wherever they pleased.
Ive no idea where I got all this from however.

What commandments ?

 

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

Not to do sorcery, divine, pass the the fire, make images, etc.
Magic is from a white perspective, cooperating with the Divine. Recognizing the one power that creates and destroys is the one to work with, to work its will on Earth.
So, in failing, you sorta lose legal protection.

 

[Mider2009]

Not to do sorcery, divine, pass the the fire, make images, etc.
Magic is from a white perspective, cooperating with the Divine. Recognizing the one power that creates and destroys is the one to work with, to work its will on Earth.
So, in failing, you sorta lose legal protection.

many sages worked with angels to have command over demons...

second you’re not a Jew the non Jews has 7 laws not the hundreds or thousands Jews do. if you feel youve sinned then repent n stop doing whatever “sin” you’ve committed

 

[Öwnchef]

As I mentioned above there is one thing you can fail at and that only happens in the OTO/GD. It is to fail at the crossing of the Abyss. Ron L. Hubbard failed, to give one prominent example.
There are no concepts of failing and often not even of an afterlife in magic. So mostly no, nothing will happen.

 

[William66]

Okay. My impression was that they would be sent to hell to be the punishment for violating commandments.

I do believe so, if you evoke a demon in the name of the Most High for evil, yes there will be punishment, but with good intend, maybe not? What do yall think?

 

[Öwnchef]

I do believe so, if you evoke a demon in the name of the Most High for evil, yes there will be punishment, but with good intend, maybe not? What do yall think?

I read the Abramelin again, now in the newest translation by Georg Dehn. I must say bad intend is ruled out. BUT the author, Yaakov ben Moshe HaLevi Moelin, the Maharil, Rabbi of Mainz, most certainly had issues or fears with bad intend. There is a text where he states his oldest son lusted after low magic. So he wrote another text, the 6th and 7th books of Moses, worthless in his eyes. He had to give the oldest the first choice and indeed he went for the dumb rituals. The book Abramelin went to his youngest son who had respect and no bad intent at all.

 

[Diluculo_DelFuego]

So Mysticism and aspiration to meet the HGA, and with inner alchemy, complete the work? Or is this misplaced lust still?