The Gateway Process

[canaryincoalmine123]

Hello, here is a list of different tapes from The Monroe Institute if anybody is interested.

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I use this one for the Gateway tapes

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I use this one for other things like H-Plus, Metamusic, Mindfood, etc... Also this has SyncCreation series by Joe Gallenberger which I had some trouble finding.

Thank you

 

[jbyer]

I am currently stuck in a reality where everyone is mind controlled, is there anyone outside that reality here?

 

[Beyond Everything]

The gateway tapes were made in the 70s by Tom Campbell, Robert Monroe and many other, since then there has been significant advances in the procedure of projection. It has been discovered that the human body is just an avatar body and this whole universe is an information based system, a simulated virtual reality game called Life on Earth. Our soul/high self/IUOC Individual Unit of Consciousness as Tom Campbell calls it in his Trilogy My Big TOE released in 2003 exists outside of this SVR game. Therefore the human avatar body doesn't have to perform any rituals in order to project other realities, in fact its as easy as think a thought, see the projected reality scene in your head aka thru the mind aka with the eyes of the IUOC looking at another screen, then interacting in the new projected reality. This is as easy as thinking of yourself performing an actions, seeing that thought scene and controlling the avatar you in the scene. Just as we control these human avatar bodies in this Life on Earth reality. Everytime we see something in our head, we are observing another reality. If we cann't interact with a reality with our physical body, it must be another reality.

lol no, just visualizing shit in your head is NOT equivalent to an out of body experience. That's complete nonsense for people who don't want to do serious work.

And Tom Campbell is a flagrant fool. He says endless reincarnation is the best a human can hope for. Can't fathom transcendence.

 

[visitor]

lol no, just visualizing shit in your head is NOT equivalent to an out of body experience. That's complete nonsense for people who don't want to do serious work.

And Tom Campbell is a flagrant fool. He says endless reincarnation is the best a human can hope for. Can't fathom transcendence.

Hello,

I will have to disagree with you on couple of the things you mentioned, so that new people will not be discouraged by your message from trying out different programs that The Monroe Institute offers.

lol no, just visualizing shit in your head is NOT equivalent to an out of body experience. That's complete nonsense for people who don't want to do serious work.

Out-of-body-experience will most likely not be achieved by a person who just started The Gateway Tapes. Very often it takes time to achieve it, therefore constant work needs to be done.

I do agree with the fact that some tapes from The Monroe Institute do emphasise visualisation which you might mistake for an attempt to achieve Out-of-body-experience.

And Tom Campbell is a flagrant fool. He says endless reincarnation is the best a human can hope for. Can't fathom transcendence.

I don't think that Tom says that reincarnation is the only thing that happens after death, transcendence beyond physical body is indeed possible according to him, it's that just humans after death choose not to.

(going off the topic a little bit) I personally really liked Robert Monroe's explanation of why people reincarnate after death. According to Rob a soul/consciousness (or whatever you want to call it), will very often reincarnate because people really liked their experience here on earth, whether it will be sex, spending time with their loved ones, etc... and are pulled into reincarnation because they did not detach themselves from the physical world whilst they were there, but there are also consciousnesses that will indeed transcend and continue their journey within the universe. Also you might think, so are they pulled or do they choose to be reincarnated ? Rob's idea is that once a person die's and is in this state of nor transcendence nor descendence, if they aren't detached from the physical world and start thinking about physical world, they will be pulled back in physical world, choice happens by the consciousness, pull happens by the choice. (This is a very simplified version of what's Robert's idea was what happens after death, so take it with a grain of salt)

Maybe you are too advanced into meditation and/or have different way of achieving the your meditation goal, therefore the programs that The Monroe Institute offer are not compatible for you. But for me personally when I just started meditation, the experiences I had provided immense proof that there is something beyond what I previously believed in. Also, as a devout Catholic, I used to reject teachings that differed from Christ's. But because The Monroe Institute avoids dogmatic language, it didn't feel 'scary' to try.

(I do not have any association with The Monroe Institute nor do I receive any money from them; I'm just sharing my personal experience)

 

[Beyond Everything]

I do agree with the fact that some tapes from The Monroe Institute do emphasise visualisation which you might mistake for an attempt to achieve Out-of-body-experience.

I didn't say training with visualization is bad. What I said is that anyone saying simply experiencing something with your eyes shut is the same as going out of body doesn't know what they are talking about.

I don't think that Tom says that reincarnation is the only thing that happens after death, transcendence beyond physical body is indeed possible according to him, it's that just humans after death choose not to.

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Campbell says there is no last reincarnation right in that video. He possesses no special insight into spiritual ascension, yet he has amassed a large undiscerning following. When one has fully transcended flesh, there is no 'entropy' endangering one. That is the entire point of transmuting into a higher subtle body- of which he is oblivious.

 

[visitor]

Campbell says there is no last reincarnation right in that video. He possesses no special insight into spiritual ascension, yet he has amassed a large undiscerning following. When one has fully transcended flesh, there is no 'entropy' endangering one. That is the entire point of transmuting into a higher subtle body- of which he is oblivious.

Well I guess the message that Tom is saying is useless to you then.

Yes, Tom says that you are never truly 'done' because, though you can still transcend the body, the work continues beyond the physical universe/system. Tom's view is that the universe is an ever-evolving system, so you can never be truly finished. That's why he puts this emphasis on entropy; because the universe is constantly evolving, the only way to keep reducing entropy is by moving forward towards ascension. Even staying in the same spot is considered descendance, because the system around you keeps moving.

If I'm not mistaken you believe in the idea that once you transcend flesh, you merge with the light/creator and that's it - you're done. If that's the case, Robert Monroe had somewhat similar view. The idea of 'I-There' cluster, basically once you are 'done' in the physical reality, you transcend. But Rob's idea, once transcended you don't merge with the creator/light, you continue your journey beyond this physical universe. Unlike Tom, Rob rejects the idea that once transcended you can be pulled back into physical world, because transcendence is basically like graduating the school of physical life.

As you can see two close friends and early members of The Monroe Institute, share different views. And that's by design, The Monroe Institute purpose is to provide tools to achieve different method's of expanding consciousness. What experience you get is completely up to you.

yet he has amassed a large undiscerning following

Agree with this one, but who am I to judge.

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I didn't say training with visualization is bad. What I said is that anyone saying simply experiencing something with your eyes shut is the same as going out of body doesn't know what they are talking about.

Agreed

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I didn't say training with visualization is bad. What I said is that anyone saying simply experiencing something with your eyes shut is the same as going out of body doesn't know what they are talking about.

Oh I thought you were talking about different TMI's programs and that they only lead to visualisation. I now saw the post from another person from which your answer stemmed from.

Yes, visualisation is not out-of-body-experience.

 

[Beyond Everything]

Yes, Tom says that you are never truly 'done' because, though you can still transcend the body, the work continues beyond the physical universe/system. Tom's view is that the universe is an ever-evolving system, so you can never be truly finished.

He was specifically asked about one's final reincarnation. He said there is no such thing, one just continues on with it. He's an ignoramus in higher initiatic reality- the transformation into a higher subtle body.

That's why he puts this emphasis on entropy; because the universe is constantly evolving, the only way to keep reducing entropy is by moving forward towards ascension. Even staying in the same spot is considered descendance, because the system around you keeps moving.

He doesn't talk about ascension at all. In another video he just talks about endless refining within the process of reincarnation. It's a Zeno paradox of never reaching a truly higher goal.

 

[canaryincoalmine123]

Well I guess the message that Tom is saying is useless to you then.

Yes, Tom says that you are never truly 'done' because, though you can still transcend the body, the work continues beyond the physical universe/system. Tom's view is that the universe is an ever-evolving system, so you can never be truly finished. That's why he puts this emphasis on entropy; because the universe is constantly evolving, the only way to keep reducing entropy is by moving forward towards ascension. Even staying in the same spot is considered descendance, because the system around you keeps moving.

If I'm not mistaken you believe in the idea that once you transcend flesh, you merge with the light/creator and that's it - you're done. If that's the case, Robert Monroe had somewhat similar view. The idea of 'I-There' cluster, basically once you are 'done' in the physical reality, you transcend. But Rob's idea, once transcended you don't merge with the creator/light, you continue your journey beyond this physical universe. Unlike Tom, Rob rejects the idea that once transcended you can be pulled back into physical world, because transcendence is basically like graduating the school of physical life.

As you can see two close friends and early members of The Monroe Institute, share different views. And that's by design, The Monroe Institute purpose is to provide tools to achieve different method's of expanding consciousness. What experience you get is completely up to you.


Agree with this one, but who am I to judge.

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Agreed

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Oh I thought you were talking about different TMI's programs and that they only lead to visualisation. I now saw the post from another person from which your answer stemmed from.

Yes, visualisation is not out-of-body-experience.

Definitely different experiences for sure