[Opinion] The Myth of O9A

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Never said they were role models, just never came across that in their documents. So thats why theyre being persecuted I take it?

 

[Xenophon]

How does one insinuate something that the group in question had openly and unambiguously proclaimed?

Actually, they've unsaid it a lot too. Some of the O9A stuff from the 2000's refers to the need to overcome the "White Hordes." Myatt/Long/Somebody talks at length about an inherent "tendency to rottenness" among we palefaces. Likewise a pretty common theme since the 90's has been that ethnicity ought not to play a role in the emerging ethos. Heck, a fair amount of the most recent stuff could have been lifted from "Project 619" screeds. The prose goes from educated Brit to post-mod white-bashing quicker than an MGB from 0 to 60.

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Never said they were role models, just never came across that in their documents. So thats why theyre being persecuted I take it?

The National Socialist phase was pretty much left in the dust years ago. More recently flirtations with "radical Islam" have been suggested, hints of ritual homicide ("culling") dropped, and a general underground subversion of the N/JWO urged. Interestingly enough, race/ethnicity/sexuality are not a preoccupation. A fair amount of their literature suggests lesbian sex is needed for some magickal works. In the face of the West's enforced tribalization, a lot of o9A literature tries to maintain ethnicity is irrelevant, the "Aryan soul" a dangerous "abstraction."

Take Aleksandr Dugin's "The Fourth Political Theory" and add a liberal dose of ritual magick. That's a start for what's afoot.

 

[Xingtian]

Never said they were role models, just never came across that in their documents. So thats why theyre being persecuted I take it?

I do get the impression that murder, pedophilia, and terrorism are frowned upon by certain sectors

 

[DiLoco_DelEted]

Well, look at the Abel and Cain story. Look at the story of Lucifer. Look at the story of Satan.
Rebellion. It's not always pretty, but that's what they're urging in their documents.
It is not for everyone.

 

[Xenophon]

I do get the impression that murder, pedophilia, and terrorism are frowned upon by certain sectors

O9A literature is pretty strongly anti-pedo. Heck, their fictional offerings often take playing Jack the Lad with adult women as possible grounds for culling. Kiddy-diddlers come off even less well.

Getting back to the "Nazi" thing, read "The Physis of the O9A: Is the O9A Neo-Nazi," and "Seven Essays Concerning the Mythos of Vindex." In the latter especially the need for non-white leadership is a persistent theme. Odd stripe of Nazi to jettison the Aryan baggage, no?

 

[Wintruz]

Is the Order of Nine Angles a myth?

No.

It was initially founded by Myatt in the early 1970s as a means of recruiting aspiring British occultists into Colin Jordan's National Socialist Movement. In that sense, the ONA has been a supremely effective magical working; under the symbols of Traditional Satanism it has introduced tens of thousands to a remanifested Völkische Bewegung who would have otherwise never encountered such ideas. It's not been far away from the recent political upswell of those ideas either, especially in the early stages of 4Chan.

In the 70s and 80s they remained a small group in Shropshire and Yorkshire but there were always more than Myatt alone. In the 90s, they were closely aligned with Stephen Cox's homoerotic-pagan group, Fraternitas Loki and many members overlapped. Myatt withdrew from all ONA connected work in 1999 when he became a "person of ongoing interest" to the British government, who suspected him of being the mastermind behind David Copeland's London nail-bombing campaign. The police could never find the smoking gun to charge Myatt which, given the content of the early ONA MS, is why he cannot admit to being their author; they'd then have their "incitement to murder" evidence. At around this time, the ONA original MS were published online at camlad9.tripod. Myatt is sincere in his Numinous Way work. He renounces the former movements with which he was involved.

I came along in the middle of the 00s as a young initiate of Fraternitas Loki. The ONA were still a mostly British based group at that point, led by, and this is not disclosing anything that's not already out there, a musician and artist called Richard Moult/Christos Beest. As is often the case in these things, the reality wasn't quite Nietzschean self-mastery but I learnt a great deal and it prepared me for my later encounter with something on a different wavelength. The ruling principle of "My Life will disclose where I am and only cowards avoid that mirror" has set me in good stead even if it makes failures all the more keenly felt.

A few years after that encounter, the internet discovered the ONA MS and they became a mandate for every non-entity to indulge in every mindless, destructive impulse they could muster (and a handful of nobles to rise). Often these were flagrantly in contradiction to the original spirit of self-overcoming that the ONA espoused and included child abuse and revelling in chaos rather than using it (as a general rule, if they call themselves O9A rather than ONA, they're not associated with the original -

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, perhaps to discredit a method of transformation). Today, the documents are public domain. Anyone can use them and add to them. Little of what has been added is of any value.

 

[WolfofWoden]

Yes, the O9A is still around and in small pockets. The Temple ov Blood was and is a rogue nexion of the Order that was run by a long time FBI informant by the name of Joshua Caleb Sutter.

 

[Galahad]

What does Satanic Sufism look like?
One relishes in the human animal and the other lets go of it to be closer to God.

Some Sufi sects honour Iblis. He would not bow to Adam, thereby refusing to acknowledge the creation ahead of the Creator. Sufis have seen in this an example for those who would be blinded by anything other Allah. Iblis would bow to Allah alone even though the cost for his action was to be hated and vilified by humanity. That Allah understood was enough for him, even to withstand the fires.

Also common in Sufism has been a kind of mystical hedonism: For the Sufi truly in love with Allah, nothing can separate them from Allah because God is immersive. This is at the root of why you'll hear some Sufis (especially in the medieval period) say things like "abandon the Qu'ran, Allah is in our kiss".

Unfortunately the antics of the Wahhabis have meant these aspect of Sufism have gone very quiet. Puritans ruin everything.

 

[8Lou1]

thats why we say lah allah illallah and o9a started out as online correspondence between kinfolk. most of them with a sethian inclination if we would talk occult and tunneling tru time and space.

i once had contact with a wahhabi from saudi and we discussed in good manners. it took a while, but in the end he agreed they are in essence sufis who took spiritual control and then made the house of saoud work for them. sort of rasputin and john dee style job. he also agreed that female mutilation and the total vealing of women is the same curse from wayyyy back. when we parted we felt both ashamed we discovered such a truth, with the other gender together. the most haram situation....

and ninja's still where penguins.

 

[Galahad]

thats why we say lah allah illallah and o9a started out as online correspondence between kinfolk. most of them with a sethian inclination if we would talk occult and tunneling tru time and space.

i once had contact with a wahhabi from saudi and we discussed in good manners. it took a while, but in the end he agreed they are in essence sufis who took spiritual control and then made the house of saoud work for them. sort of rasputin and john dee style job. he also agreed that female mutilation and the total vealing of women is the same curse from wayyyy back. when we parted we felt both ashamed we discovered such a truth, with the other gender together. the most haram situation....

and ninja's still where penguins.

Ah, but if the Wahhabis were Sufis they'd know that hearing and doing the outer forms wouldn't be enough. A bird needs two wings to fly...

 

[8Lou1]

i know, im not veiling so im not accepted as moslem. Matt's invitation to killing had more respect and now iranian women are unveiling again.

When an inner jihad ends and one wants to dance for joy, whos gonna be your dance partner? The imam you know has a sidechick, that super modest woman you know hits her kids just a bit too hard, your prayermat while you can see the unseen toying with it?

A pinguïn cant fly...

 

[Altan]

Islam and Christianity both have an Iblis or Satan. To just call it "adversarial" is a romantic notion. The actual premise is hatred of humanity itself, as well as creation, including the animal kingdom. Otherwise, we are speaking of some form of paganism. So which is it? A pagan deity of the animal nature, with its instincts adapted to its environment.

Or is it about a spirit of perverse human nature, with a level of insidious cleverness and destruction capacity no animal could match, and no environment can fully condition? Hedonism is about pleasure. The diabolical (a Greek word meaning "the distorter") is not. Otherwise, this is a revision of the religions themselves, or something else altogether. I am wondering also if this Islamic Satanism is about the

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who worship Shaitan that Islam associated with Satan/Iblis.

 

[8Lou1]

islam started out as resistance against the ruling elite, just like christianity did. to find the struggle one goes tru these things you mention. melek taus, the peacock angel is the one the yezidis revere. it is said he is the changer of religions. their holy shrines are painted with stars and an upgoing black snake at both sides of the entrance. quite the symbolism.

i think when one can hold those 2 things you mention, one can see im holding two opposing thoughts and in that sense create a personal gnosis of what is lhp or rhp. one also needs 2 points to create a current. for me thats where often 11 ignites.