Transgender & Chaos Magick

[S.ROB]

I tend to consider myself both male and female anyone got any aspects on this related to chaos magic and ritual magic just curious on other peoples outlooks on feminine and masculine energies in one vessel.

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[Ohana]

I'll talk about what I think divine masculine and divine feminine energies are.

I think the divine masculine is the facts itself like a servant to the world and what the world is.

And I think the divine femine is the lack of care to the facts. The feelings. The emotional truth.

Because take for an example losing in the game monopoly. The facts/divine masculine state that yes it is not that big deal that someone lost in the game monopoly. It is just a game and it is does not define your worth as a person. It is monopoly there has to be a winner and a loser because it is a board game.

But the feelings/divine feminine says I have been betrayed by my closest friends in a game of lies. I have been tricked by a shiny hat piece. I have been lied to by the very same people I place my trust in. I cannot trust in a shiny hat piece now. I must sulk in a corner.

Both are right in a way. But the divine feminine feels as if its unbalanced now. That just my take though.

 

[Ananda]

There are two genders - male and female.

No, the Vedic religion and Buddhism recognizes the existence of transgenders. Buddhism considers it a result of bad karma, same as birth as a female. 'Two spirited' people are acknowledged in native american religious traditions.

 

[BBBB]

No, the Vedic religion and Buddhism recognizes the existence of transgenders. Buddhism considers it a result of bad karma, same as birth as a female. 'Two spirited' people are acknowledged in native american religious traditions.

Bad karma - that makes sense, actually (not as a prerequisite for being a female, though). But two-spirited people - this is brilliant. With that concept you don't "identify" with a gender, you demonstrate the ability. You are no less male or female, but you're also beyond that. This is big for occult work. And for understanding society. You can relate to both genders and their perspectives. And you have no problem with Hermetic work and two-gendered spirits (some spirits prefer one, while others can be either).
What they did in the West (and expanding it to the rest of the world aggressively) is a no-gender policy, actually: no genders have any rights, recognition and protection; men can't act manly, women can't act womanly, any can "identify" as they like, but that only leads to cringe and traumas for the real ones. And it doesn't help homosexuals, because since being one is a political statement and often leads to benefits, you have a lot of fake ones, and people tend to hate the priviliged, so real ones have it even worse.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

This, and I want to add, you don't have to be transgender or genderqueer in any way to actually harness feminine or masculine energies within you to do the work you need to do.

As Prince put it: "I got two sides and they both friends"

 

[Aldebaran]

The entire universe, everything, operates on a polarity - positive/negative, masculine/feminine, light/dark, etc. The foundation of this is the masculine and feminine. If you can harness the qualities of both, that would be very rare and special. I would assume you could then tap into both energies for your magic. However, I suspect, perhaps wrongly, that both are diluted. A feminine woman is not masculine, and vice versa with a man. I am not presenting this as good or bad but merely as an awareness for your magic. What is diminished in one area will probably need to be compensated for in another.

 

[Morell]

The entire universe, everything, operates on a polarity - positive/negative, masculine/feminine, light/dark, etc. The foundation of this is the masculine and feminine. If you can harness the qualities of both, that would be very rare and special. I would assume you could then tap into both energies for your magic. However, I suspect, perhaps wrongly, that both are diluted. A feminine woman is not masculine, and vice versa with a man. I am not presenting this as good or bad but merely as an awareness for your magic. What is diminished in one area will probably need to be compensated for in another.

I would not say that basic is polarity, rather cycles, a rhythm. a music, if you wish. Energy is a shaky wavelength and energy is base of everything.
Polarity of genders is just part of very long cycle of reproduction.

 

[Sabbatius]

No, the Vedic religion and Buddhism recognizes the existence of transgenders. Buddhism considers it a result of bad karma, same as birth as a female. 'Two spirited' people are acknowledged in native american religious traditions.

Two-Spirit (Ojibwa - ni'izh manidoowag) is not taught traditionally. It was eventually spoken of in the late 1980's. it is a creation of the times. Only gender role switching that ever happened beforehand was done when one was found to be gay(Sauk - (berdache), and it was mostly seen among males. When woman were found to be more masculine (Navajo - nádleehi) happened as well, but was still uncommon.

I will be blunt. It was frowned upon until the late 1980's. Most cases where it was seen as a distraction within the Tribe, the member was usually taken out and killed, then never spoken of afterward. If the individual was not a distraction and was consistent in working for the Tribe, that individual was accepted and people were fine. The issues were a matter of Tribal harmony. If Tribal harmony was disrupted, the ni'izh manidoowag was dealt with.

 

[Ananda]

Two-Spirit (Ojibwa - ni'izh manidoowag) is not taught traditionally. It was eventually spoken of in the late 1980's. it is a creation of the times. Only gender role switching that ever happened beforehand was done when one was found to be gay(Sauk - (berdache), and it was mostly seen among males. When woman were found to be more masculine (Navajo - nádleehi) happened as well, but was still uncommon.

I will be blunt. It was frowned upon until the late 1980's. Most cases where it was seen as a distraction within the Tribe, the member was usually taken out and killed, then never spoken of afterward. If the individual was not a distraction and was consistent in working for the Tribe, that individual was accepted and people were fine. The issues were a matter of Tribal harmony. If Tribal harmony was disrupted, the ni'izh manidoowag was dealt with.

Those interested can read references from anthropological research provided in the thread below.

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1. The bow and the burden strap : a new look at institutionalized homosexuality in native North America

Every culture, present and past, have people (usually men) presenting as transgenders, even where it can commonly lead to being disowned by one's family, ostracization, poverty, murder, having to live in the margins of society eking out a living as a prostitute, as in any muslim country in the present.

 

[Sabbatius]

Those interested can read references from anthropological research provided in the thread below.

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1. The bow and the burden strap : a new look at institutionalized homosexuality in native North America

Every culture, present and past, have people (usually men) presenting as transgenders, even where it can commonly lead to being disowned by one's family, ostracization, poverty, murder, having to live in the margins of society eking out a living as a prostitute, as in any muslim country in the present.

Interesting stuff - nothing contradictory, but just a different lens.
For the last 30 years, too much anthropological study has been agenda driven. This link is not that bad.
All I know is from oral tradition and Tribal histories which also are oral.
Thank you for the share.