[Opinion] Usage of Dissociatives (possibly deliriants)

[Sukhoi]

I see alot of usage of LSD,Psilocybin,Mescaline,DMT and other psychedelics for spiritual experiences, but as someone who has tried multiple psychedelics, and a few Dissociatives and deliriants i dont see why they arnt more frequently discussed for such things,

I have tried heroic LSD doses 450ug as my record, same with psilocybin and ketamine. I believe that with for example ketamine, when you are out of your body you are just as prone to visuals or experiences that you would be prone to on psychedelics, however the nature of these experiences seems to be different and more often negative than insightful. You can have a ego death on ketamine and there are still some experiences id say you can not achieve on psychedelics.

About deliriants, i have only tried a medium dose of benadryl once. i had a horrid experience, im curious if anyone had a good one.

 

[Lu_CiD]

without the cultural context and knowledge that shamans train their who lives to attain the use of psychedelic medicines isnt as useful as you would think. it could be dangerous even. with any tool not having proper guidance in its use won't usually have good results.

as for deleriants they are the same even more so however that only goes for the plant based ones usually in the scoplamine family derives from devils trumpets, short apples and belladonna. diphenhydramine is useless and insanely bad your you besides increasing your risk for neurological disorders it.
all of them have a high risk for death or other permanent damage. and since we lost most of the knowledge on their use its just not worth dealing with.

ketamine. is the one thing that im more ok with its exploration since you cannot od on it and it doesn't really damage your body unless you take really high doses for a long time. may want tk look into Dr John C Lilys experiments. just be careful with anything you do and its often better to use the slow route because the journey itself is just as rewarding if not more so than the goal.

 

[Sukhoi]

without the cultural context and knowledge that shamans train their who lives to attain the use of psychedelic medicines isnt as useful as you would think. it could be dangerous even. with any tool not having proper guidance in its use won't usually have good results.

as for deleriants they are the same even more so however that only goes for the plant based ones usually in the scoplamine family derives from devils trumpets, short apples and belladonna. diphenhydramine is useless and insanely bad your you besides increasing your risk for neurological disorders it.
all of them have a high risk for death or other permanent damage. and since we lost most of the knowledge on their use its just not worth dealing with.

ketamine. is the one thing that im more ok with its exploration since you cannot od on it and it doesn't really damage your body unless you take really high doses for a long time. may want tk look into Dr John C Lilys experiments. just be careful with anything you do and its often better to use the slow route because the journey itself is just as rewarding if not more so than the goal.

Yes about deliriants i just added that partially just to add it, Benadryl is extremely toxic and deliriants in general are a very iffy class of drugs. About the guidance alot of people do this improperly but you need to learn of proper integration and i believe then it would be beneficial to use even when solo. I do agree the journey is quite rewarding but in my opinion the path with using substances for assistance does not mean it is rushed, and the journey with it is is still a long and complicated one.

 

[Lu_CiD]

the stated you get to with psychics are the same you can getto with breathing and meditation that type of thing but psychedelics are instantaneous as oped to the time it takes with other methods and by its nature you are skipping to effort and growth need to get their thats kinda what I mean. where as use in indigenous cultures has had decades and generations to learn how to properly navigate that kind of medicine.

it also depends on what your doing with them or using them for. to contact ancestors? talk with spirits? to heal or harm? all of this stuff has rules that keep you and anyone else safe that just arnt able to be taught in a short time hence why shamanic parationers are usually chose year young and have to go through a process of overcoming a "sickness" of sorta that weeds out those that are unable to face what's to come.

Crowley in his later years experimented with drugs and Magick. he also kinda got into some other extreme stuff at that time and I think he had lost his shit maybe the failing the abramelin ritual at the lockness house came to roost idk.

also the dmt dimensions are being mapped by psyhonauts as well as the beings they encounter so research is being done now but its in the early stages

what are you proposing specifically? what kind of exploitation are you interested in?

 

[Sukhoi]

the stated you get to with psychics are the same you can getto with breathing and meditation that type of thing but psychedelics are instantaneous as oped to the time it takes with other methods and by its nature you are skipping to effort and growth need to get their thats kinda what I mean. where as use in indigenous cultures has had decades and generations to learn how to properly navigate that kind of medicine.

it also depends on what your doing with them or using them for. to contact ancestors? talk with spirits? to heal or harm? all of this stuff has rules that keep you and anyone else safe that just arnt able to be taught in a short time hence why shamanic parationers are usually chose year young and have to go through a process of overcoming a "sickness" of sorta that weeds out those that are unable to face what's to come.

Crowley in his later years experimented with drugs and Magick. he also kinda got into some other extreme stuff at that time and I think he had lost his shit maybe the failing the abramelin ritual at the lockness house came to roost idk.

also the dmt dimensions are being mapped by psyhonauts as well as the beings they encounter so research is being done now but its in the early stages

what are you proposing specifically? what kind of exploitation are you interested in?

Self exploration for me primarily, different people tolerate these substances differently and for me personally i have had practically no negative experiences on heroic doses, i had mostly increased insight into myself due to the auto bibliographical enhancements LSD particularly gives. In my opinion i guess it really depends on the individual on the end, some people just cant tolerate even low lsd doses some people can. And i guess you are right in the first part where you said you are skipping a bit, if you mean skipping in that way then i agree.

I am not proposing anything specific i just wanted to hear other peoples opinions on this.

 

[Lu_CiD]

Self exploration for me primarily, different people tolerate these substances differently and for me personally i have had practically no negative experiences on heroic doses, i had mostly increased insight into myself due to the auto bibliographical enhancements LSD particularly gives. In my opinion i guess it really depends on the individual on the end, some people just cant tolerate even low lsd doses some people can. And i guess you are right in the first part where you said you are skipping a bit, if you mean skipping in that way then i agree.

I am not proposing anything specific i just wanted to hear other peoples opinions on this.

just for self exploration yea its great for that I thought you were talking about in an occult sense.

I've used many psychedelics for that. originally I just wanted to use them as part drugs but after an experience with an of golden teachers I changed my veins on what the purpose of these things were. I also have some ancestral history with them being part Mexican and Apache the use specifically in mesoamerica for mushrooms especially has been well documented. after that I used them as medicine. for instance having a specific intent or something I wanted to work on before I took anything.
as for heroic doses I've hade many. I think the largest with lsd was 35 hits(not sure how much each dose mcg was) and 10 hits of presses 230mg mdma.
the experiences I've had with dmt were extremely interesting.