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But an abrahamic, islamic, magician, a havass, said that on a forum: god didn't create the hell to punishment. He created it like heaven, a place. But the hell's dweller's (demons etc) frequance is low. But heaven's (angels and god etc) is high. So, after died, if a person got low frequance during his or her lifetime, that person goes to the hell. But if he or she has high frequance, that person goes to the heaven.
I personally don't want to be too invested in Abrahamic traditions myself. I prefer just seeing it like nature. I say all that because I think that completely stopping discussion about heaven, heII, and all other manner of Abrahmic concepts will actuaIIy let these concepts bite back.
It would be nice to discuss other things beside an Abrahamic framework since its everywhere but completely stopping discussing it might let these concepts do something worse. It would let them fester at least to my mind.
Which brings me back to heII. HeII I think is only scary to me atleast when I try to completely deny it as an idea. Shut it out of mind and hide from it. Even how its seen in most places though I don't think I lived a life that warrants it. I think if these concepts exist somehow I'd go to medium purgatory place. Even still when I push it completely out of mind it makes it scarier and bigger than it probably is.
For one the question of heII brings up what you do in the worst of circumstances. And when I think on it I realize there's stiII things people might be able to do and it makes these Abrahamic concepts less bigger in my mind. It makes it feel like I can move on just talking about it. Unfortunately I think by completely stopping conversation on it it could retroactively make these concepts bigger and scarier than they are. Talking about it could help moving onto to other frameworks and I personally kind of want to move on and talking about I think can help that.
Not to mention peopIe still practice it and how big it is. Maybe by talking about it others that practice can have more heaIing reintreprations of the source material or understand it more. In fact a lot of Abrahamic reIigions might have misconceptions about what its even about and thus perpetuate harm by not talking about it.
I do agree though that it would be nice to see more variety here beside Abrahmic frameworks.
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Thought I will add on its understandable if you personally don't want to talk about it. I do since talking about it helps me move on from this framework that was ever present in cuIture.
I think HeII is then stagnation. Never being able to move forward with your life or move on to something else. Life to me is all about adapting, changing, and I think the ultimate heIIish scenario would be forever stagnating and never being able to change.
Hell is kind of stupid in my opinion. It is barely mentioned in the Bible, and so much of the imagery associated with it comes from Dante that to me its clear its been made up. It also open so many cans of worms within theological discussions that I wonder why so many Christians bother with it.
Why would an all loving God allow Hell to exist?
If God makes you choose between worshipping him or eternal punishment, do you even really have a choice? That's like saying a shop assistant has a genuine choice between giving up all the money in the till or getting shot by a robber.
Has any human committed a serious enough crime on earth to warrant eternal torture? I would argue that even some of earth's most terrible people dont deserve eternal punishment, meanwhile people get sent to Hell for way less (being an athiest, being gay, lying, disrespecting your mom etc.)
How can we suffer torture without a body?
Hell is often described as an absence of God. If God is everything, then is Hell just the void? Doesn't sound that bad tbh.
How does time work in Hell?
I would argue that anything becomes a Hell if you do it long enough. Eating ben and jerrys is great but I wouldnt want to do it for eternity.
Lots more arguments against Hell but here are a few that ive wondered about ever since i was a kid.
i see the opposite, people being quick to demonise angels and go straight for devils or fallen angels. The truth is the primordial beings (not fallen angels but often called demons), respect power but dont really like the fallen angels, except that for a while the fallen angels were dominating here. Angels are one of the main topics misinformed everywhere, such as the occult, religion and many places. People also dont like that i demonise pseudo science or fake science. When you can see what angels see and learn from them, its easy to see bs pitched with pseudoscience. Many in the occult talk about frequencies but they're not related to you in any supernatural way, basically the entire topic about frequencies, total bs.
I know and understand the science and logic behind everything in the occult to know what people should and shouldnt be doing. Take astrology for example, its a bit like using the friend of a friend privilege, might as well go direct if you can.
But yes religions tend to chain people given their actual origin which is also mentioned in the demonic bible. Basically you can pick religion or you can pick the devil directly, they're both the same.
You are doing it yourself - "Basically you can pick religion or you can pick the devil directly, they're both the same".
Who's this devil guy? You are still spouting Abrahamic b/s, and they are by no means both the same.
