What do you do after the LBRP ?

[Lion]

I just read this in an account about the LBRP after the ritual had been descrobed in detail: "

At this point, the invocation is effectively complete. You have finished setting up the conditions for a response from the astral light; now you must give that response a chance to occur. This is an utterly vital part of any invocation you will ever do; you may get some response while performing the ritual, but the most important, the most vital, revealing, and consciousness-expanding part of the response nearly always takes place in the quiet time after the active work has ended.

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Do you do this? what is the thinking behind it? I havent seen this in other accounts of the LBRP... but maybe I just didnt read (or remember) these parts?

 

[r4zorenigma]

It's all using your imagination to evoke god names, cast a circle of protection and call upon the archangels.. Whether its the LBRP or LRP (which is the original ritual.. the banishing one was added later because people are idiots and felt they needed to draw other types of pentagrams to banish.. when in reality, these rituals are not effective in banishing powerful spirits but may still protect the magician from harm.

But to answer your question.. It can be used in the beginning of any magickal works and after .. ideally first you want to do the LRP and then the LBRP after.. but its all silly western magick nonsense.. flawed system, goofy shit. Good for beginners though to get them to understand the proper headspace and processes that go into real ritual work.

Why it is beautiful when you are learning -- It helps clear your consciousness a bit because effectively you are concentrating quite a bit on multiple things and utilizing different faculties such as imagination, visualization, many different senses, etc.
Utilizing these things helps the brain get into the right frequency for works and helps you get out the stagnant energy of the day.

 

[giusma]

Whether one interprets that in terms of “astral light,” unconscious material, altered states of attention, or something else, there is still a meaningful difference between deliberately producing images and then becoming quiet enough to observe what arises without deliberately producing it.

So for me the interesting question isn't simply whether imagination is involved, of course it is, but whether ritual imagination is being used only to manufacture a state of mind, or to establish conditions in which something not entirely under the magician's conscious control can emerge.

And Crowley himself explicitly cautioned against reducing the Pentagram Ritual to merely invoking or banishing spirits; he regarded its significance as considerably broader than that.

 

[r4zorenigma]

Whether one interprets that in terms of “astral light,” unconscious material, altered states of attention, or something else, there is still a meaningful difference between deliberately producing images and then becoming quiet enough to observe what arises without deliberately producing it.

So for me the interesting question isn't simply whether imagination is involved, of course it is, but whether ritual imagination is being used only to manufacture a state of mind, or to establish conditions in which something not entirely under the magician's conscious control can emerge.

And Crowley himself explicitly cautioned against reducing the Pentagram Ritual to merely invoking or banishing spirits; he regarded its significance as considerably broader than that.

Well said, but what also bothers me about the LBRP is.. most people who do the LBRP-- are doing it haphazardly.. I see them performing it as if they are in a spelling bee spelling out a word.. rather than really getting into it..

ie: The proper way it should be done is first the practicioner must ground himself /tether themselves to the Earth.. then imagine their light body expanding past their physical room/building, extending over their town, their city, state, country and up past the earth itself, into outer space and the outer most regions of the galaxy/universe coming into the high heavens where they then bring down the light... then entoning the words and visualizing the orbs of light intensely and not only going through them but past them to the other ends of the world.. Even in visualizing the arch angels and their elements, feeling the elemental energies associated with them, etc..

The tethering/grounding to the Earth by going deep into the ground/soil with a cord of energy/light is very important.. otherwise the person is floating in the astral with no grounding, which can make them vulnerable/light them up to astral influences, mostly parasitic buggers.

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The idea that each time you are doing an LBRP you are banishing "earth" is not healthy nor helpful.. as Earth is the element of the material.. and I have had people tell me that they saw issues in their life from performing the LBRP too much.. in their finances, etc.. Whether their issues/losses wer etruly associated with their practice of the LBRP we will never know, but its interesting to think about.

Regardless, I think that people should stick to the LRP as it always was.. and not have ot use both the invoking and banishing rituals.. just keep it as it was meant to be because it was never broken. If they really want to banish spirits, there are better rituals and methods anyways.

 

[pf3ix85fe Pandora]

Well said, but what also bothers me about the LBRP is.. most people who do the LBRP-- are doing it haphazardly.. I see them performing it as if they are in a spelling bee spelling out a word.. rather than really getting into it..

@r4zorenigma is absolutely correct.
The point of doing LRP is to get into the headspace necessary for other workings and to clear the path for the ritual to complete LBRP. The closeout of the ritual and clearing of the space (ie using LBRP) is there to release any energy raised and anything left in your space so that the energy can move on to do the actual work. I have found that LBRP isn't great for banishing spirits, but works okay for releasing energies and acts as a signal to your brain that the work is done. It is not a good idea to banish things using this type of ritual.

While I moved away from a lot of GD practices over the years, the biggest thing that stuck with me was to always always clear the space and then get back into the mundane headspace. After doing that, eat something and drink some water.

You have to give space for your workings to actually go do the thing. but you also need to close down your space and release the energy.

So back to your original question: What do you do after the LBRP?
Release the energy and go have a snack.

 

[dzb10035]

As other's have said, the LBRP specifically is used as an opening and closing for a ritual sequence in (ceremonial) magical work. I use it for that, but I would say that it does not do all that much for me. I admit that I am personally not that energetically sensitive, but I do not even really use the LBRP for all that much anymore.

This being said, I do agree with others that it is a great way to banish negative energies from a space or your life. The invocation to the archangels can be used as a possibility to specifically request that they infuse your life with balanced and positive energy if you wish to take it to that point. I usually couple the LBRP with another banishing ritual like the GoM Sword Banishing in order to do the full set of banishing interfering energies from the space and to banish interfering spirits. The Sword banishing uses different angels / names of god that correspond to a severity and martial command much more than the LBRP, so it is probably better for that purpose. Used together as an opening and you get a sterile space.

I would use it more as a form of energetic cleansing or purification of yourself, your space or your life. It can be a great part of a ritual opener, but it should not be thought of as a singular form of protection. If you are working with high potency rituals and energies, you need to use more detailed and specific protective measures that are designed to work with the ritual / energies you are working with. For example, you would not just use the LBRP to protect from the energies of a Goetic spirit; you would instead use the spirit's corresponding Shem angel as outlined by the Goetia of Dr. Rudd to provide a proper sense of control and balance.