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The thing is is that I'm not actually sure where that Download really actually came from, it could have come from the Demiurge that the Gnostics in Ancient Greece talked about too..and perhaps that any kind of possible 'Ascension' that might possibly have happened, or might even happen in the future maybe, but that it might be that you would only ascend to like a higher level that would still be inside of what you might want to call like the Inter-dimensional Control-Matrix system that's actually there.
I'm thinking that the Download could have actually come from either say like the one true infinite creator God or Source or whatever you might want to call it, or the Demiurge, or maybe from Jehovah/Yahweh, or now that I think about it, maybe even from Lucifer or something maybe it might be as well.
Well, it depends on the practitioner's faith and the type of Magick he / she practices.
I think I would have to go through some challenges in Hell (eh, did some mischievous things in my past) but I think that would eventually pass since I am protected and believe in my Guardian Angels and Heavens.
So, might be saved, maybe not... who knows... but certainly, I love doing good things and maintaining good deeds and acts in the Universe, so, I might be saved.
I will be going to my astral sanctum, and mooning any gods who object. I won't be serving anything or anyone else. After a nap of a million years or so, imma head over to the akashic records and read the entire thing. Once I have the complete story of the universe, then I can make meaningful plans of what I want to do.
I will be going to my astral sanctum, and mooning any gods who object. I won't be serving anything or anyone else. After a nap of a million years or so, imma head over to the akashic records and read the entire thing. Once I have the complete story of the universe, then I can make meaningful plans of what I want to do.
I thought the demon you're pacted to makes you their servant? Or maybe am misunderstanding. From what i've read in religions and such things don't look good for occultists but I am not sure.
I thought the demon you're pacted to makes you their servant? Or maybe am misunderstanding. From what i've read in religions and such things don't look good for occultists but I am not sure
That might be the case, but i have no such pacts, and would never agree to any such pact for all the money and power on earth. Nothing is more valuable than my own sovereignty.
Second that. It always strikes me as a bit narcissistic that everybody always thinks that they're so flaming special that some 'immortal' part of them will survive death. Death means game over & that's all, folks. No replays.
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However, my nightmare is that some god or gods have other ideas and codemn me to some Kafkaesque recurrence loop, wheel of rebirth or something without me having any say in the matter.
Since I read "Conciusness beyond life" by Pim van Lommen, I have always believed there must be something after this life. For those of you who have not heard of the book is basically a rational/scientific analysis of people who experienced near death situations and claimed to remember what lies after. The most intriguing part is that there are many similarities between what people see, regardless of age, culture, or even the physical ability to see (blind people are sometimes able to describe the room around them perfectly when taken out of their bodies and then returned, despite the fact they could not possibly have seen it).
So there must be something after death. I don't think it will be too different for us than the rest of the world.
Since I read "Conciusness beyond life" by Pim van Lommen, I have always believed there must be something after this life. For those of you who have not heard of the book is basically a rational/scientific analysis of people who experienced near death situations and claimed to remember what lies after. The most intriguing part is that there are many similarities between what people see, regardless of age, culture, or even the physical ability to see (blind people are sometimes able to describe the room around them perfectly when taken out of their bodies and then returned, despite the fact they could not possibly have seen it).
So there must be something after death. I don't think it will be too different for us than the rest of the world.
I have read and heard the opposite: that cultural expectations tend to sway how one experiences near-death. Up-beat Evangelicals and Protestants see Jesus covered in whipped-cream and with a cherry on his head. The 'eathen 'Indoo have negative shit befalling them, all awash in stagnant karma.
Personally, I gravitate to the Bardol Thodol (Guide to Liberation By Hearing in the Between State), that hoary old Vajrayana classic. It lays out steps for posthumous enlightenment and provides detailed instructions for most eventualities, including terrifying experiences if you miss out and have to undergo rebirth.
Outside of a few specific 'special cases', you do the same thing everyone else does. Your being dissolves and unifies with The All before being reconstituted into your next incarnation. The few special cases are things like "sold my soul" where you made a pact of post-mortal servitude, and other similarly shenanigansey things.
I knew a dude who's 'past self' did some crazy shit to keep his 'soul' and magic through death into his next incarnation that halfway worked; he had all the ability and influence with spirits, but didn't have any of the knowledge or memory that his past incarnation intended him to have. This was back when I was still in with the group of hermetic kabbalists that I used to chat with. We called a bunch of spirits to see what was going on and it was a whole big thing.
But on the whole, unless you do something either completely insane or monumentally stupid, you just get the same death everyone else does. Of course there is some flavor that can add or change some steps of the process depending on your own personal beliefs, but on the whole it's as I said above.
Back on topic and staying on topic, some dark brothers believe they'll be in a besties circle with their patrons. Some believe that is hogwash.
Some believe no matter what that we will go to heaven. Some believe in nothing but themselves.
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There are a few views. The Luciferians view the reincarnation trap, and use of the Qlippoth to create and step into a new universe.
Satanists believe that heaven and hell are with us in our waking life, and the highest glorification is the birthday and halloween.
Some believe reincarnation is a trap. Some view it as the expected end.
I am a Christian, so I view what I do as a very serious matter.
I guess I want to consider myself a Luciferian-Christian, I'm not sure I want to step into a new universe, I get the sense that you may end up in a void and have to come to terms with it and become so bored that you start developing your mind until you create a new universe via the process of imagination. I've had the delusions where I've been controlling reality with my mind, and I really prefer to have something higher than myself to avoid the "oops accidentally destroyed the universe by accidentally thinking about destroying the universe, oh shit."
Getting back on topic:
In terms of life after death, I think being able to float around and explore the Astral plane would be pretty cool. I imagine that you go where best corresponds to your spiritual development, in terms of incarnation, when I'm ready to incarnate, I feel often dissatisfied with the Earth and the lack of spirituality here, incarnating as an Alien somewhere in the Universe with a more advanced spiritual system wouldn't be that bad.
I guess I do believe in incarnation because with Dr. Ian Stevenson's case studies on children who remembered past lives, the concept of it's existence is the explanation with the most scientific validity, but I'm not limiting it to the Earth. There are many universes out there, probably even some that can be thought of as "heaven". I believe that energy progresses upward and we end up where we need to be, which corresponds with our level of spiritual development. I assume most people are stunted spirituality, and I don't feel like I've lived that many lives which probably explains my lack of maturity, because I've been focusing and improving spirituality.
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About incarnation, people think of time as linear, moving in a straight line. I think of it as more as an oscillating field with lots of dots across space and time. You can incarnate in the future, or the past, or on other worlds other than Earth.
I think I may need a break from Earth after this incarnation unless I maybe incarnate in Atlantis or some civilization from before the flood with a more advanced culture and belief system, which hasn't lost contact with it. Hopefully, not during it's destruction.
The old National Lampoon once ran a Gahan Wilson cartoon. Two unshaven guys with cigarette butts in their mouth are standing there in smudged sheets, cardboard wings, and having a halo made of coat-hangar wire. The street is littered with cans and bottles and there's a flophouse with "HEAV__N" in badly painted letters. One is saying to the other, "Oh, I'm not complaining, understand? I just expected a classier joint is all."
That's funny until one recalls that the afterlife in Homer's Odyssey is pretty much conceived along those lines. So one had bestir himself to attain apotheosis, no?
The old National Lampoon once ran a Gahan Wilson cartoon. Two unshaven guys with cigarette butts in their mouth are standing there in smudged sheets, cardboard wings, and having a halo made of coat-hangar wire. The street is littered with cans and bottles and there's a flophouse with "HEAV__N" in badly painted letters. One is saying to the other, "Oh, I'm not complaining, understand? I just expected a classier joint is all."
That's funny until one recalls that the afterlife in Homer's Odyssey is pretty much conceived along those lines. So one had bestir himself to attain apotheosis, no?
This reminds me of some of my thoughts on Heaven which is either a realm full of shifting multi-dimensional shapes and lovecraft monsters (Biblically accurate angels) or a place which is completely militaristic and orderly to the point where it could be viewed as hellish. Like God tells you to stand and sing praises to him for a millennium, then that you must do.
I may be wrong, but I don't think Jesus ever promised heaven, he promised "Eternal life", I think the concept is that after the events in the Book of Revelations, then there is a new Earth in Christian eschatology where those who are saved go to. He did tell a lot of people in the Bible that they couldn't get into heaven.
Someone else's heaven can be someone else's hell. I like to believe that there are probably many different heavens.
Я считаю, что посмертное местонахождение Души во многом зависит от свойств и развития самой Души. Полное уничтожение (игра окончена) маловероятно. Вряд ли Абсолют настолько расточителен...
