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Perhaps the soul doesnt reincarnate into EVERY aspect of existence, but perhaps it simply reincarnates until it is satisfied with its individual experiences? Lets also go as far to say that maybe not every soul started human, or will be in the next life?
Now I wonder if a long line is instead for species. What would be the most popular animal to incarnate? Personally being an ant sounds amazing. Its not a long life but ants have this whole society so it would be super interesting.
Or maybe a Panda. All you get to do all day is eat and do nothing. People take care of you because your endangered so you do nothing. Amazing
Now I wonder if a long line is instead for species. What would be the most popular animal to incarnate? Personally being an ant sounds amazing. Its not a long life but ants have this whole society so it would be super interesting.
Or maybe a Panda. All you get to do all day is eat and do nothing. People take care of you because your endangered so you do nothing. Amazing
I doubt it is a line to reincanate, id assume if there is no room on earth, then it would be on another planet with life on it far far away, or even on a different plane of existence, such as the astral. Now, on your topic of animals, ants seem cool, would love to participate in an ant war! I used to have two rival colonies in my backyard that i would watch for hours, leaving food at both of them so they can eat and get stronger and also try to raid each other for it. Was very fun until the rain destroyed them both. But, if i had a choice, it would be a cat. Yes, i know, im a simpleton. But cats seem so wise. They arent bothered by the need for social status, they are already quite solitary creatures, they live a relatively egoless existence. Or at least it is quite softened. Sounds peaceful if you ask me.
There's the meliorative, the punitive and the traditional Eastern scenarios.
According to the Theosophist scenario, the only way is up. The universe is nothing if not benevolent and will support your path towards self-development in any way it can. It's deeply invested in your spiritual well-being, always ready purify your soul, make your reincarnations ever more richer and rewarding, and teach you valuable lessons because it only exists to serve the human race. Since the advent of the NewAge movement, it's not restricted to white Victorian colonialists anymore.
The punitive scenario is a product of traditional Jewish Kabbalah. The orthodox rabbinate thought it heterodox, some Kabbalist rabbis didn't belive in it but for those that did, reincarnation was a punishment for sinning. According to whom you believe, there can only be three (or up to ten) reincarnations as a human, some others think you can be also reborn as an animal, a few even consider reincarnation as a mineral a posibility.
The impression I got from my Buddhist studies long ago is that karma was a blind machine, and only the most realised lamas can tell what your next rebirth will be like. Accordingly, an 'old soul' can just as well be reborn as a hate-consumed hell being, and the same probably goes for internet trolls devoid of any compassion who claim that starving people (incl. children) have only themselves to blame for their swollen bellies because of their obstinate refusal to investigate the roots of their misery. There are
on offer for rebirth, of whom the world of human is very difficult to attain. The universe is indifferent, not just, and doesn't give a rat's ass about your spiritual progress.
As far as the afterlife or rebirth is concerned, I'm a materialist. You die, and it's game over. Sweet oblivion is what I hope for but the gods- whom I don't believe in - may have other ideas, and I'd hate to wake up in some realm and be forced to start all over again. Horrible idea.
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Oh yeah, forgot about collective karma. Many Hasids believe that the Shoa was a punishment for all the sins of the Jewish people. Some lamas think the Chinese occupation was a result of some unspecified Tibetan guilt. The karmic victims blaming themselves but collective karma could serve as a justification for the suffering of innocents.
The idea of reicarnation is not a new concept, but it is a flawed one. It expects that there exists a soul which is unique to you and you only, and before that the soul was someone else, and after it will be someone else again.
If you really think about it, that soul isn't you; you are the id, and you are the ego; the soul is more like an essence of something, we could probably call it life. When you die, that essence leaves and gets repurposed, maybe as a separate being, maybe as a part of multiple beings, but you are in no shape or form involved.
Somewhere I read that we come here voluntarily to experience something.
What I cannot really understand here is why would anybody voluntarily choose such a misery? Like seriously why?
The whole experience seems so utterly pointless, meaningless, worthless.
For many people it is nothing more than doing things they hate, dealing with never ending disappointment and disgust. The only thing you learn from it, ...the whole system absolutely sucks.
Another description I found, "This is a prison planet" being sent here after doing something wrong, but what and where could lead to that? and some souls are tricked into coming here.
What happens to an old soul after many reincarnations? They probably find a way not to return here, cheat codes, some solution.
I already said it in this thread but will say it again nonetheless, if not for anything else but to give this conversation its proper ending, there are only two possible fates for a soul in this Universe-it either merges back with its Creator and leaves all of its experience to it ending its existence in an infinite bliss, or, it gathers the will to become a Creator on its own and takes all the lessons it has learned into a foundation for the design of a new Creation where it will be the Creator, the Origin, the God of another Universe, another Creation separate from this one. That is the ultimate choice this Universe offers and that is the ultimate fate of the Soul, any soul. This is the solution to the question "What happens to an old soul after many reincarnations?".
This Universe is build in such a way as to offer this choice to any and all souls, I believe. The reasons why are many and hard to explain but it all ultimately boils down to balancing drives for existence of different strides. There are those drives that want an infinite creation and light pouring out for an infinite all-encompassing existence but they need to be balanced with the drives to end it all and the acceptance of suffering lies at the center of the balance between them both. In order to have creation pain must be bared by the souls created. If there is destruction, and thus end of and opposite to creation, pleasure is experienced but at the price of shrinking creation. Therefore, the Soul is presented with an eternal choice-the only true choice of its existence mind you-to accept suffering as the price for creation and to suffer alone in creations of its own design making its creations suffer too but providing them with life, or, to self-annihilate by deciding to return back to the source thus experiencing an infinite bliss one last time as it merges with its Creator. This is the ultimate choice of this Universe and every soul old enough to understand its ramifications must face it. It's what ultimately decides its fate, too.
P.S. As far as those starving children are concerned, sorry, but they DO need to disperse the blinding sand of ignorance and spiritual blindness in order to see the true reasons for their suffering. Only then they can look at the real problem and start lifting up their souls from their misery.It's how things are and that is not some misanthropic position. Truth can be both revelating and chain-breaking and tossing one into his/hers greatest fears and dark fantasies. It sometimes can be scarier than any fiction, too. But until you face it the Universe has the right to bury you with as many negatives as you can bare. Ultimately, we do choose our destiny but we also are burdened with actually remembering what had we had chosen and from what options did we chose, too. And it is only our own responsibility to remember those choices. Sorry, for the reality check anyone but that is the truth hate it or like it.
P.S. As far as those starving children are concerned, sorry, but they DO need to disperse the blinding sand of ignorance and spiritual blindness in order to see the true reasons for their suffering.
Do I really need to link to three-year old skeletal victims of the ongoing famine in Sudan here to convince you that people are more important than principles? A 'highly-evolved' human without compassion isn't one, in fact, he's a soulless monster, an abomination. You disgust me.
