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What is black magick *TO YOU*??

Fr. Maximagus

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Black magic does not exist, though occult practices do, there is no evidence to suggest any desired result has occured from said practice. To me, it is simply hogwash.
theres no evidence to suggest any desired result has occurred from occult practices?? if you really believe that then why are you here, a wizard forum lmao
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Historically it had more to do with the source of the magic.

Now days most people use them as near pointless designations to make themselves seem/feel more innocent or edgy.

-Eld
Pretty accurate honestly lol
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Three potential definitions.
1. Magic in general, if you're looking at it through a Christian-ish perspective. Or more specifically, anything that calls on something other than the Abrahamic God. Though, I've seen some gnarly spells in Renaissance Grimoires, calling on God to do them.
2. Magic that calls on spirits associated with the underworld/cthonic realms. Even if for positive/beneficial intentions.
3. Magic that manipulates life force, whether to harm through curses, or to use blood in rituals meant for constructive purposes.
Oooooh so if i summoned a demon AND gave it my blood does that make me a double black magician?? Asking for a friend
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there is no such thing as "good magic" there is nuetral magic and there is black magic. The best source on the subject matter of magic, in my opinion is the dark web. For example: Margareta Rhoda's Romani Oracle 1889 is probably the best defining unbiased opinion on the subject of magic as 1. she's long gone and dead, 2. she was a dark art practitioner herself (witch) who was killed by the spanish inquisition (she fled england for spain some time during the 1890's). and the best part, she was a nun. Her Diary (Romani Oracle 1889) illustrates the use of magic, the how-to of spell casting and ritual practice (which in no way shape or form is anything like this BS you see promoted today). She clearly defines nuetral magic and black magic as the only forms of magic. "white magic" does not exist. Protection spells for example are used by both nuetral witches and black witches. a Nuetral witch is simple a witch that does not delve into the darkest of arts.

You can go on amazon and find a washed down version (edited) version of her diary which only illustrates (cartomancy how to, what the cards represent, placement, protection spells and charms, talismans, some curses and hexes which are not fatal and some potion making recipes). What is excluded from this amazon version is demon summoning, fatal curses/hexes and the history (as it is a diary) of her and her family. The Romani people are a private people, thus the edited author desided to exclude it.

The edited version is still worth the read, especially if divination is what interests you. Yet if you know how to surf the dark web, the full diary is the best (most twisted) thing on witch craft I have ever read.
I gotta get read that diary lol
 
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Because, Wizard Forum is one of the few online forums that, from what I can tell, still permit freedom of speech. Reddit, discord, etc. sadly, no longer do, unless you lean in a political direction the mods do. Secondly, I have studied the occult for over two decades, have a Masters in Theology, as well as various other degrees that do not relate to the subject matter. Just because A) I know black magic isn't real and B) no one can actually prove it is, does not mean that the occult and all it entails doesn't have historical value or doesn't hold any interest.
 

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This whole Universe is Magick. Just by chanting words, can harm or do good. Not only that but when someone visualizes a person that they like or dislike. Either one could or one could heal them or destroy them.

"True Magick is Black nor white, it's both because nature is both. Love and Cruel at the same time."

The Craft
 

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I'm finally in a room where I can trust that several people have read illuminatus, and when it comes to "black" magick I adopt a similar stance to Hagbard Celine. I recall a moment in the book (all dialogue from memory and emphasizing impressionism over accuracy) when he was ready to do some sort of baleful magick and Moon says to him "So, that whole karma thing isn't real, eh?" or something similar to imply that the idea that there would be some sort of feedback/blowback to using magick to hurt people is a line of bullshit we feed the noobs. Celine goes "Oh no, that's very real. It's not a debit account where you put in one good thing and get to take out one bad thing later, but it's real inasmuch as shitty tends to beget shitty and I'm probably gonna get my ass kicked for this." Then he adds the key part, at least to my understanding: "Sometimes it falls to you to do what's right and get your ass kicked for it." That's where I'm at with so-called "black" magick. The idea of blowback is real, magick is a thumb on the scales and if you do shitty things consistently shitty things are gonna happen to you and you're gonna be surrounded by shitty people. The wiccan rede, the western simplified idea of karma, all of it is really an expression of the idea that if you lie down with dogs you wake up with fleas. A beginner will see that and think "forbidden", and someone who is advanced in their craft and internal development will see it and think "well, if your problem is a cat, maybe it's worth the cost of a flea bath to have a dog at your disposal".
 

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I'm finally in a room where I can trust that several people have read illuminatus, and when it comes to "black" magick I adopt a similar stance to Hagbard Celine. I recall a moment in the book (all dialogue from memory and emphasizing impressionism over accuracy) when he was ready to do some sort of baleful magick and Moon says to him "So, that whole karma thing isn't real, eh?" or something similar to imply that the idea that there would be some sort of feedback/blowback to using magick to hurt people is a line of bullshit we feed the noobs. Celine goes "Oh no, that's very real. It's not a debit account where you put in one good thing and get to take out one bad thing later, but it's real inasmuch as shitty tends to beget shitty and I'm probably gonna get my ass kicked for this." Then he adds the key part, at least to my understanding: "Sometimes it falls to you to do what's right and get your ass kicked for it." That's where I'm at with so-called "black" magick. The idea of blowback is real, magick is a thumb on the scales and if you do shitty things consistently shitty things are gonna happen to you and you're gonna be surrounded by shitty people. The wiccan rede, the western simplified idea of karma, all of it is really an expression of the idea that if you lie down with dogs you wake up with fleas. A beginner will see that and think "forbidden", and someone who is advanced in their craft and internal development will see it and think "well, if your problem is a cat, maybe it's worth the cost of a flea bath to have a dog at your disposal".
beautifully elucidated! I completely agree its a simple “reap what you sow” situation.

Just because A) I know black magic isn't real and B) no one can actually prove it is, does not mean that the occult and all it entails doesn't have historical value or doesn't hold any interest.
Well if youre so sure that it isnt real how about you volunteer to allow one of the forums most skilled practitioners of the dark arts do a fun little curse on you…you KNOW its not real, RIGHT??
 

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I'm not an expert in this subject but to me, Black Magic exists only to empower the magician.
Anything that makes them stronger.

Doing harm isn't for Harm's own sake - instead, it seems as though more evil acts grant more magical power.
 

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would any of you describe hexing as black magic?
yes curses and hexes (hex is milder than a curse) does in fact qualify under black magic.
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beautifully elucidated! I completely agree its a simple “reap what you sow” situation.


Well if youre so sure that it isnt real how about you volunteer to allow one of the forums most skilled practitioners of the dark arts do a fun little curse on you…you KNOW its not real, RIGHT??
you are more than welcome to cast a curse on me LOL so lets a say killing curse, you kill me with a curse and watch as nothing happens lol.
 

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what do people feel about, what ill describe as 'throwaway' curses said in he heat of a moment? are these curses valid and able to do harm?
 

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would any of you describe hexing as black magic?
if Black magic is the topic in which you find interest, Devil's Maleficium 1707 by Janet Horne (Scotland) is a great read (even excluding the belief in magic, as its historical context in regards to what people believed back then). However this one, unlike Romani Oracle 1889, is harder to find on the dark web than most occult material.
 

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if Black magic is the topic in which you find interest, Devil's Maleficium 1707 by Janet Horne (Scotland) is a great read (even excluding the belief in magic, as its historical context in regards to what people believed back then). However this one, unlike Romani Oracle 1889, is harder to find on the dark web than most occult material.
Since you have access to some of these texts, why don't you add them to the library?
 

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So so so many beautiful responses I've read so far.. and I want to thank you all for your shared experience.... it is so wonderful to see such diversity.

Well, for me there is no black magic, white, green gray or red magic.. these are labels used by some practitioners and others with various purpose.

Instead of sharing the logic, mechanics and beliefs behind my affirmations I would like you to imagine this scenario and decide for yourself about labels.

Let's say there's a bad man walking in the park, a predator and is molesting a child.
You assist, you see and decide to step in because, it is one of those moments where your own safety is second place and at your disposal you have a powerful instant hex with imediate manifestation.... we still imagine right?! --- That's your only option, take the life of the offender or let it all play out , who knows maybe someone else steps in?

Now, the hex is life taking, it is no reversal, it is considered as black magic by many but in your quick judgement is to serve a good purpose?!
So is there indeed black magic (harmful to others) or white magic?!

For me these are labels, perspectives, and most individuals don't process the experience the same way.

Magic is first a state of being, a way of life, a tool, doesn't have a consciousness on its own but does have consequences some practitioners understand, dome don't.
 

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There are countless explanations in books and online. But I want to know what do you personally consider black magick to be in regard to your own practice?

Is it more just baneful spells/curses/hexes?
Is it more about working with demons?

Then once you’ve defined it for your own practice…
Do you practice only black magick Or do you only occasionally incorporate it into your practice?

I plan on chiming in later with some of my own ideas but I wanna hear from ya’ll!
A lot of people define "black" magic as a morality clause to it. My definition, and let me reiterate this is my definition, as it is my personal practice, my idea of black magic is spells cast from mazoku/Asura/Jotun/Titans whatever you want to call them. This has to do with PIE [Proto-Indo European] religion. While I typically use black magic for destructive purposes and would say it was "combative" magic mostly, it can be used for more benign things. I prefer the destruction, though. I love working with them. I also consider the evil eye to be the highest source for black magic.
 

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No. Cause why would you hex someone? Usually for defense. It can be used to make the world better place...
1. the site in which I received the copies is an illegal network site containing a multitude of of criminal activities (think silk road), and 2. the context of the book contains a vast majority of illegal things (such as child sacrafice). 3. If I were to share the books, and one of you were to participate in any number of the ritual illustrated within it context, I could be legally liable for whatever crime in which you partook. Providing the material which would encourage one to violate the law, would make me an aider and abetter.
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beautifully elucidated! I completely agree its a simple “reap what you sow” situation.


Well if youre so sure that it isnt real how about you volunteer to allow one of the forums most skilled practitioners of the dark arts do a fun little curse on you…you KNOW its not real, RIGHT??
I am still alive and breathing, not even an ass scratch over here.
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Since you have access to some of these texts, why don't you add them to the library?
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here is an edited version of Romani Oracle, its free on Kendle unlimited, it has been extremely edited and only contains the cartomancy instructions, a few spells and potions, but all the grotesue practices and rituals have been removed.
 
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what is black magic ... ?

to me , it is magic that is just ... neutral . and that can be good , that can have good intentions ...

... but just ends up being seen as bad .

this is due to its portrayals .

especially due to its portrayals done by some religions and cultures . some ones that were trying to prevent people from believing in and practicing some other ones . so , they started trying to portray the things coming from them as bad .

so , this is how it ended up being seen the way it is being seen today .
 

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What is Black Magick to me?

First, the insight that Darkness and Evil are not the same.
Secondly, the acceptance that everything has a price and sacrifices have to be made.
Thirdly, the formulation of ultimate own will and the acceptance of eternal exile.

Gilles De Laval writes: "All magick is black, and its presiding exarch is the Devil."
Many may disagree. I have to ask what is the Devil?

To me "the Devil" is the ever-driving force of differentiation and discordance, the very essence of life.
The "white" magickian wishes for the unification with "God", the "black" magickian wants to stray further away. Always fighting, never asking for mercy, never accepting "gifts" from the "gods". Because he or she knows, that the ultimate gift was already given to him or her.
 

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To me, Black Magick is the use of magick to the satisfaction of my base desires without any regard for others or the natural order, or even my higher purpose.
 

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Apologies for necroing a thread; I didn't want to lose the valuable insights already posted by creating my own thread.

I appreciate what many people have already pointed out. Many have said black/white is a poor splitting, and that magic is magic. I largely agree. After all, a witch is just a priest the community doesn't like. But I still feel like there's some value to the term. The Ikhwan al-Safa and Agrippa, and hundreds of other masters, made a distinction between regular magic and sorcery/sihr/black magic. I'd like to go through a list of common answers and then provide my own.

Is a black magician marked by selfish intent? In a sense, but I think that only makes sense when you're contrasting it to white magic. What I'm curious about is what makes black magic different than magic magic? I can also see the black magician as a community figure. In my culture, they're the handyman you go to for unsanctioned miracles, which can run the gamut from curses to blessings (even if the former is more popular). A propensity for death or demons doesn't feel like it either. A Solomonic magician can consort with demons, and that's all through the power of a Christian god. Many cultures wrap up their conception of death with religion and don't see it as anything nefarious. A necromancer and an ancestor venerator largely work off the same principles, no?

There are notions of black magic being the practical brother of magic, which I like as well. Chaos Magic always felt more black magic aligned to me, because it’s a little bit more honest about the capabilities of magic. There are no gods to cosign your actions as virtuous; you gotta sleep in the bed you've made. Nor do you have a spirit court breathing down your neck and holding you to taboos, like an animist never trodding a garden. I like what Evara said about white magic working with 'a filter,' for black magicians are by definition transgressors. They're hated by the community because they are proof of power, wisdom, and pleasure existing outside the narrow cultural boundaries.

Perhaps this is our calling as black magicians, to be masters of the occult forces, as in hidden power. To come into communities--with grace, with goodwill, for the other half of a black witch's practicality is her tempting prowess--and outside of the box to help others transgress the limitations holding them back. It behooves us to learn everything--not just to increase our own power--but to show others the path to power. Perhaps the only reason black magicians are associated with death and hexes are because those are the powers the average person might overlook.

Though it doesn't help anyone to come into a space and say all you think is real is fake, come worship demons. Who's tempted by that? A black magician can see the astral mage struggle with a love spell during Venus' fall and say, hey, Saturn is aspected well right now, here are some ideas to sweeten his powers and transmute it into a way helpful for love. We're not here to make people abandon their religion if they don't want to, but to help them broaden their horizon, test the limit of their limits. Praying the Psalms over a candle sounds like a Christian mystic's rite, but it became witchcraft when a witch took the praying rosary from a girl's hand and told her a different prayer to get back her wayward lover. I think it makes sense our image of the black magician involves working with demons and dead matter (or in the case of the Ikhwan and Agrippa, use personal psychic forces and craft potions), those are largely neutral forces who won’t care how you point them, as contrasted by a constrained angel of mercy who might resist if you tell them go out there and kill.

If a magician's motto is "I will," would a black magician's be, "despite everything, I will"?
 

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To get things right!

You can say curses, but we must always fight for what is right. Society wants us slaves. Part of our
programming in this world is to be passive. Do not like term Black Magick. Black Magick is hurting something or someone for ego reasons, stopping evil is our duty. There is no justice in this world the courts, police and the political system is a rotting mass of shit... So go and do your best.
 
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