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What is the point of using demons if you can use angels instead?

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I just wanted to know what the advantage would be?

Would you use the factory owner to operate the machinery ? Would you put the manual worker as CEO ?

There is a 'hierarchy of spirits ' for a reason . Its best to understand that ... and where you stand within it .

Just make sure you are attentive to the owner , the CEO and be fair to the workers (or they might chuck a spanner in the works ) and make sure you dont have any that dont want the job (or are after yours ) .
 

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This simplistic dualism is honestly exhausting and likely detrimental in several ways, but anyway: angels are harmonious intelligences. Intuitively, people don't ask them for things that bring discord or, as some rather inaccurately call it, "low frequencies".
 

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One can use both. The angels and demons don't need to be worshipped, of course don't be a tyrant towards them, but utilize these relationships for your own growth. They offer different powers and different takes on the similar powers. Each spirit is unique.
 

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This question came up in my magic group. Actually, several people wanted to know the best angel to ask for money. The answer is none of them. John Dee asked the angels for more money and they just ignored him. One of my group members asked his angel several times for money only to be told "Don't worry about it." In the Abramelin book there are magic squares for various workings and each one lists whether angels, demons or both will perform the task. Anything to do with the Earth Plane is performed by demons. Angels and gods can't touch stuff. They can't move things around. You need demons or elementals for that.
That proves that this world belongs to the demons
 

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You don't actually implement the words and shapes you make up into the conscious/awareness of the target of your communications, you share/project the words and shapes their underlying intent. Also when you communicate/project onto "other entities" or their symbols.

The intent for people that wish money generally are, less stress, more grip, more being able to manifest/be themselves or just live their life or sleep better/at all. This is what angels (try to) take care of in a generalized way, anyway so best case you get ignored ("well duh, can't you read my shirt?" - Random Angel 2026) or worst case make them weep because you have a lowered frequency, and are yearning/mourning/clamoring for relief.

Or something, anyway end of rant :)
I have actually seen rather large fortunes exchanged by heavenly powers (frankly as well as many other things usually thought to be reserved for demons). The ritual does require initiation though, and is structured in a way that makes it impossible to be performed outside of its purpose, which is actually not to gather wealth.
 

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I have actually seen rather large fortunes exchanged by heavenly powers (frankly as well as many other things usually thought to be reserved for demons). The ritual does require initiation though, and is structured in a way that makes it impossible to be performed outside of its purpose, which is actually not to gather wealth.
Please share more details about this ritual if its possible.
 

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I just wanted to know what the advantage would be?

Well, I found out that I can get all the good things I desire with the help of Angels.

Archangel Nithaiah for example is the patron angel for me, specifically the Scorpio ASC and I always have resources and knowledge as well some deep revelations and insights, and Archangel Nithaiah never let me down.

Archangel Gabriel, as well as many other Archangels (Leuviah, Sandalphon, Raphael, Michael, Uriel, etc.) have guided me on my path and have helped me spiritually, psychologically and also physical.

I don't have anything against people who choose to work with Demons, so as to add this side note, but the huge difference between Angels vs Demons is that the Demonic current is often very chaotic and very hard to manage. But that is just my opinion based on my experiences.
 

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I don't have anything against people who choose to work with Demons, so as to add this side note, but the huge difference between Angels vs Demons is that the Demonic current is often very chaotic and very hard to manage. But that is just my opinion based on my experiences.

To counter respectfully, I work with demons mostly. I do not find them chaotic as a whole. I also work with Raziel and a couple of Deities, only mentioning that to show I have some broad context here.

I do not operate from the Yahweh god being the center of the Universe, nor the creator of anything. Angels and demons are just categories of spirits. Not two opposing teams working under Yahwehs order or whatever.

I get it, most occult systems fall under this Yahwehistic (is that even a word?) framework, either for it, or against it, but either way still within the Yahweh frame.

On angles and demons, I experience them as higher and lower frequencies. Not good or bad, not better or worse. Just the frequencies are different. A Ferrari makes a shitty off road vehicle, and a 4x4 is terrible around curves on a race track. That is the difference to me.

Higher frequencies are a little more challenging to reach and interact with. Once you make contact, it gets much easier. Lower frequencies are much easier to reach, closer to our frequency. Both have immense lessons to teach, both can fuck you up equally, in different ways. Neither being good or evil as some view those concepts.

Anyone use angels to get blowjobs and money? 🤣 JOKES!

Lastly, I think that the framework (world view) of the practitioner matters bigly here. If you see angels as holy, then thats what they are for you. If you see them as just beings, then thats what they are for you. Your actual experience trumps everything else here. (I get it, common sense statement that probably shouldn't be said aloud in front of the contrarians and stupid kids).
 

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In the words of Jung: "No tree, it is said, can grow to heaven unless its roots reach down to hell."
 

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Anyone use angels to get blowjobs and money? 🤣 JOKES!
Jokes? This, literally speaking at least, is a thing that people can do with overwhelming rate of success though.
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Please share more details about this ritual if its possible.
This is a matter of arcana of the Catholic Church, I'm afraid. Proper arcana, that is: even if I shared the facts of the matter (which are more or less public, by the way), without certain level of initiation the rites are impossible to understand. Given that neither I'm a person anointed for that purpose nor is this considered a suitable situation, I think all I would do is spoil the potential experience.

What I can say is that it's based on proper reading of certain promises Yahveh (especially in Christ's words) made that can be exploited. "Exploited" is an inaccurate word, even, since every single instance of their invocation is their predicted purpose. Their power is absolute across all realms and I've never seen it fail, but there is no way of predicting or controlling how and when they'll exactly be fulfilled.
 
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To counter respectfully, I work with demons mostly. I do not find them chaotic as a whole. I also work with Raziel and a couple of Deities, only mentioning that to show I have some broad context here.

I do not operate from the Yahweh god being the center of the Universe, nor the creator of anything. Angels and demons are just categories of spirits. Not two opposing teams working under Yahwehs order or whatever.

I get it, most occult systems fall under this Yahwehistic (is that even a word?) framework, either for it, or against it, but either way still within the Yahweh frame.

On angles and demons, I experience them as higher and lower frequencies. Not good or bad, not better or worse. Just the frequencies are different. A Ferrari makes a shitty off road vehicle, and a 4x4 is terrible around curves on a race track. That is the difference to me.

Higher frequencies are a little more challenging to reach and interact with. Once you make contact, it gets much easier. Lower frequencies are much easier to reach, closer to our frequency. Both have immense lessons to teach, both can fuck you up equally, in different ways. Neither being good or evil as some view those concepts.

Anyone use angels to get blowjobs and money? 🤣 JOKES!

Lastly, I think that the framework (world view) of the practitioner matters bigly here. If you see angels as holy, then thats what they are for you. If you see them as just beings, then thats what they are for you. Your actual experience trumps everything else here. (I get it, common sense statement that probably shouldn't be said aloud in front of the contrarians and stupid kids).

Thank you very much for sharing your opinion :). Indeed, your view of Higher vs Lower frequencies is very connected based on how the Greeks defined magic. Goeteia (obviously not written like how I just wrote it now) is defined as "lower" / "earthly" magic while Mageia is treated as the "higher" / Ouranic magic.

Some Angels are associated with prosperity, such as Archangel Sachiel, but for the other purpose... hehe, I think there is a Goetic "Angel" in a book we have in the library ;)).


Thank you for sharing your review and I wish you success in your researches and spiritual endeavors ;).
 
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