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What is the relationship between science and metaphysics?
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There is barely a relationship. Metaphysics is a branch of philosoply, not science. Science and philosophy share a common root from which they both descend, and that is logic.
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I would say there's a heirarchy of ideas, where "metaphysics" rests at the very top, the root of all discussion of that which is.
On one side of this is discussion of "random+chaos", something that can at best be understood "statistically" which is to say putting a box of math around "how much we can't know about it," and "superstitiously" which is to say "place your bets here!"
Probabilistics discusses the first of these and divination encompasses answers to the latter, insofar as patterns do occur occasionally in the chaos.
On the other side of the equation is "that which is described and visible through axiomatic understanding."
Under this, we get a large umbrella of concepts, but somewhere underneath "logic" and then "class theory", then "game theory" we find "science".
Science itself is a game theoretic approach to uncovering unknowns. Other people might call it "philosophy" but that's about to get eaten in the next few years.
On one side of this is discussion of "random+chaos", something that can at best be understood "statistically" which is to say putting a box of math around "how much we can't know about it," and "superstitiously" which is to say "place your bets here!"
Probabilistics discusses the first of these and divination encompasses answers to the latter, insofar as patterns do occur occasionally in the chaos.
On the other side of the equation is "that which is described and visible through axiomatic understanding."
Under this, we get a large umbrella of concepts, but somewhere underneath "logic" and then "class theory", then "game theory" we find "science".
Science itself is a game theoretic approach to uncovering unknowns. Other people might call it "philosophy" but that's about to get eaten in the next few years.
Scire - to know. Hence Science is what is known.
In the 19th century, much of the advance was by amateurs (lovers of science).
In modern times there are fashions in science. This is largely in science captured by industries and institutions and politicians. Try pandemics for example.
Until about 1990 it was not possible to publish in a scientific journal a paper disagreeing with Einstein. It was not that Einstein was thought correct, but rather that military science had made much progress contrary to Einstein and did not want it published. For example the ufos that make right angle turns at high speed. Inertia - what inertia?
It might be better then to distinguish materialistic science from etheric science (and beyond)
In the 19th century, much of the advance was by amateurs (lovers of science).
In modern times there are fashions in science. This is largely in science captured by industries and institutions and politicians. Try pandemics for example.
Until about 1990 it was not possible to publish in a scientific journal a paper disagreeing with Einstein. It was not that Einstein was thought correct, but rather that military science had made much progress contrary to Einstein and did not want it published. For example the ufos that make right angle turns at high speed. Inertia - what inertia?
It might be better then to distinguish materialistic science from etheric science (and beyond)
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There isn't one because they address two different questions.
Science inquires how something happens. What cause precede phenomena. Science describes processes.
Metaphysics, as understood by most, is a mentation on why some thing happens. Characterized by inquiry over method, Metaphysics has no practical application for the laymen that doesn't present as religious dogma. This is largely because applied metaphysics require some form of gnosis to be employed.
First hand experience is essential to discuss metaphysics; As the metaphysical is inexplicable, describing it is achievable only through the substitution of phenomenal terms for ineffable reality metaphysics attempt to describe.
Sometimes I call myself a metaphysicist. Metaphysical experiments are fun.
There is a spectrum from spirit to matter. There is no separation
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It depends on the person...to some metaphysics is bullshit to others it's just another way of explaining how things work...but we don't yet have a way to produce mass evidence
Maybe 1000 years from now when humans evolve we will speak to other beings which we called angels and see onto other dimensions n see what we called cryptoids and demons etc
Then this will be science
Maybe 1000 years from now when humans evolve we will speak to other beings which we called angels and see onto other dimensions n see what we called cryptoids and demons etc
Then this will be science
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RE: What is the relationship between science and metaphysics?
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..................................Yes, "Metaphysics" is a faction of "philosophy." But philosophy is a "science."
..................................Metaphysics focuses on the study of reality in the environment.
..................................Metaphysics is NOT faith-based. associated, among others, with Plato and Aristotle.
..................................Metaphysics was opposed by logical empiricism, positivism, and linguistic philosophy.
.................................Metaphysics is more properly based on transcendental determinations.
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• Science ∆ Metaphysics
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........ Science is distinguished by the “difference of object, or of the sources of knowledge, or of the kind of knowledge.”
........ Science is that process that is subject to examination through the method natural science means not only that they provide a ........ ..........necessary foundation for Newtonian science,
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※→ whizrobo,
..................................Yes, "Metaphysics" is a faction of "philosophy." But philosophy is a "science."
..................................Metaphysics focuses on the study of reality in the environment.
..................................Metaphysics is NOT faith-based. associated, among others, with Plato and Aristotle.
..................................Metaphysics was opposed by logical empiricism, positivism, and linguistic philosophy.
.................................Metaphysics is more properly based on transcendental determinations.
...............................
• Science ∆ Metaphysics
........
........ Science is distinguished by the “difference of object, or of the sources of knowledge, or of the kind of knowledge.”
........ Science is that process that is subject to examination through the method natural science means not only that they provide a ........ ..........necessary foundation for Newtonian science,
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RE: What is the relationship between science and metaphysics?
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I was reminded yesterday, that the Scientific Method does not always look very scientific.
The ideas being pursued along the lines of dimensions beyond the four we are familiar with (called String Theory) is being examined only at the theoretical level. You can not subject it to the scientific method. String Theory is beyond the known laws of science (physics). That which is beyond the testing through the scientific method is, by definition, "metaphysics."
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※→ whizrobo,
I was reminded yesterday, that the Scientific Method does not always look very scientific.
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The ideas being pursued along the lines of dimensions beyond the four we are familiar with (called String Theory) is being examined only at the theoretical level. You can not subject it to the scientific method. String Theory is beyond the known laws of science (physics). That which is beyond the testing through the scientific method is, by definition, "metaphysics."
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I actually have some sort of explanations and I talk alot about them in this thread that I made called 'The HIgh-Level Spiritual And Occult Knowledge, And Advanced Technology Thread'..
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I just wanted to start a thread that was different from my incredible and almost unbelievable account of what happened to me in 2010, that I've posted in this section fo the forum before on here earlier. I wanted this thread to be like a repository of what you might call 'esoteric' and actually...
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I would say sound, for one.
Reading Sacred Magic of Ancient Egypt and other resources, it is mentioned on sound and architecture that it was a critical process, while following hieroglyph instructions and other processes.
According to the Gaia show, ancient Egyptians and others used certain sounds to defy gravity and other natural laws. Certain sounds. Bumpin to catchy music isn't going to make your car fly in the air on its own.
After reading a post regarding Jason Miller and Sorcery is Real on Occultmirror, and reading the Magick of Angels and Demons, it makes me wonder why it doesn't work for me. I may try the experiment of not only finishing what I start, but to personally do my best steps forward to fulfilling what their powers are. That way if I do use either for anything, it wont be like my laziness as the problem. In doing so, we may find new psychological or scientific otherwise perspectives after we put in 200% effort into it all.
If you think this is too much work with a handful of spirits, consider I was planning to employ 30-40 demons on various tasks to better my life in a new ordered fashion. I was smacked down by a teacher for doing so. So, if its that much trouble, perhaps I should do the work for all 144 if they're too precious to deal with me using natural laws of various disciplines to accomplish the same.
Reading Sacred Magic of Ancient Egypt and other resources, it is mentioned on sound and architecture that it was a critical process, while following hieroglyph instructions and other processes.
According to the Gaia show, ancient Egyptians and others used certain sounds to defy gravity and other natural laws. Certain sounds. Bumpin to catchy music isn't going to make your car fly in the air on its own.
After reading a post regarding Jason Miller and Sorcery is Real on Occultmirror, and reading the Magick of Angels and Demons, it makes me wonder why it doesn't work for me. I may try the experiment of not only finishing what I start, but to personally do my best steps forward to fulfilling what their powers are. That way if I do use either for anything, it wont be like my laziness as the problem. In doing so, we may find new psychological or scientific otherwise perspectives after we put in 200% effort into it all.
If you think this is too much work with a handful of spirits, consider I was planning to employ 30-40 demons on various tasks to better my life in a new ordered fashion. I was smacked down by a teacher for doing so. So, if its that much trouble, perhaps I should do the work for all 144 if they're too precious to deal with me using natural laws of various disciplines to accomplish the same.
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