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What the New Age gets right

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"SP" - for "Special Person. "
Lol, in Scientology it stand for Suppressive Person.

TBH, I've never read Goddard, but someone special to me tried to beat me with him as apparently he had found the most simple absolute "gist" of Kabbalah which seemed to be in accord with the General Epistemology of Holy Fluff. When I started talking about the Bahir she drew a blank and I could feel the psychic slap of frustration via text message from 300 miles away.
 

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When I started talking about the Bahir she drew a blank and I could feel the psychic slap of frustration via text message from 300 miles away.
Bwaaahahaaa!!!! Love it!!
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Oh, another cool thing they do.

The LOA folks mirror some Folk Catholic extended practices like novenas. They basically just spam the fuck out the Demiurge (the Operative Whatever) daily, for 5 minutes morning and evening until their desire "manifests." Ugh, the language.

It may be the next day, or t may be months, They stick to it. They're fucking relentless.

Neville's Law of Assumptions operative model proposes "your Imagination is God" - the terms are not important - and that's almost identical to the Stoic proposition 'your Creative Reason in the Logos'

'Logos' is better translated into English, as 'Deliberate Creativity' rather than "reason" as the neutered and sterile atheists say, and manifests as the Imagination - the creative force within us.
 
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Do those vials have a name I can research? And that other stuff?
The vials were from an outfit called Rainbow Crossings, I don't remember if they were in TX or AZ. Wayback machine doesn't help. The other stuff I can't help you with.
 

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There's a few under the New Age category of the late 20th c.e. that I encountered, applied and liked for high magick

The fundamentals and application of dance by Gabrielle Roth.

Jane Roberts and the Seth books have a deep coherent secular philosophy with exercises leading to results. The suggestion to receive a True Dream from the Gates of Horn to harmonize one's being gave a profound experience that I'm still learning from decades later.
 

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Neat, Frater AlNil! We have similar models.

This Operative Whatever - the causual agent of the universe that takes our intentions and makes stuff happen - I mythologize as the Demiurge.

Check out the quantum Growing Block Universe model in Royce Christyn's New Thought 'Scripting the Life You Want.' book I shared.

Poh-tay-toe , Poh-tah-toe, mutatis mutandis.


He's doing borderline Chaos Magic - well , totally is - and adding fun stuff combining his scripting with the quantum randomizing app (if that is what is truly is on the backend ) Randonautica. I keep meaning to give it a spin.
Nice I have had a couple of things put in print now ....I would have to say for me Chaos Magick is where it is... With Spare as the Grandfather... How do you make Magick work? You pour love into it... Art is a fucking great medium but then again anything you Love can be incorporated into the system ...Maths ...Language (which I adore)... Music.....

Charge the Magick with love and release .... There are many who pull the pin on their hand grenade and stand about waiting for it to go off and then complain when it does go off in their face..

Seriously though great call I will have a look at the book thanks for sharing 😈
 

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Check out the quantum Growing Block Universe model in Royce Christyn's New Thought 'Scripting the Life You Want.' book I shared.
The Growing Block Universe comes from two things that people are desparate to keep from their normal perceptions of reality: a single universe, and the passage of time as a function of the universe rather than a function of the processes inside the universe.

I would compare it to the Sun and the Earth; it really looks like the Sun goes around the Earth, and it really looks like the Earth is stationary, but neither of these things is actually true.
 

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Neat, Robert Ramsay! What model / models do you think has merit?

I am not as up with the various more quantum / scientific models as I used to be, but Itzhak Bentov's ' Stalking the Wild Pendulum' made a good impression on me in high school. Does it still hold, uh, fluid dynamic particles?

Honest question ! FYI, I really don't do circa 2010 New-Atheist / neckbeard / Reddit-style debates.

I'm also more of a No Universe guy (other than the appearance of one we are collectively making together, with overlapping personal pocket universes), but I very much appreciate all attempts to model whatever the fuck is going on.
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You pour love into it... Art is a fucking great medium but then again anything you Love can be incorporated into the system ...Maths ...Language (which I adore)... Music.....

Next fucking level, my brother. Yes!
 

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Neat, Robert Ramsay! What model / models do you think has merit?
I've spent thirty plus years trying to find a cosmological model that could include magic.
Imagine a huge (if not infinite) number of block universe timelines that interweave and interlock to form a timeless version of the multiverse. It solves a lot of the things that people usually call 'weird' about quantum physics with as few assumptions as possible, and provides a picture of magic as the engineering of coincidence.
 

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Ok, I will bite. New Agers have many beliefs and perspectives I definitely don't agree with. That being said, some of their techniques and practices will work if you use them in a realistic manner. I have a list of things that I found worked when I tried them.

Manifestation and the Vision Board: You don't have to do this with LOA (Law of Attraction) because I actually find LOA to be victim blaming which can be unhealthy. However, having a vision board with realistic goals such as "I will have a dream vacation" can be very psychologically rewarding. I think it can reprogram or redirect our brains to focus on the goals we want. I digitalized my vision board on my phone and in spite of some of the depression I had (I started this when I had cancer) I remember this being one of the daily things I did when I awoke, and it helped me psychologically to focus on my goals in a positive manner. (I had trouble being positive because I was terminal, poor, and most of my family was not supporting me much.) I typically chanted and even though I am not a Buddhist, I really like using chants such as the Lotus sutra to manifest. As opposed to saying "dream vacation" over and over aloud or to myself. I feel like how one chants doesn't matter, use whatever is comfortable to you.

If I don't get everything I want from it, it doesn't actually matter to me. I feel better on a psychological level. So, I get something out of it that helps me either way.

Crystals: Yeah, I know. It's unpopular opinion time! Crystals work if you don't rely on them as like a primary source. Let's say you wanna do some healing, you can do a spell with crystals with that. But you still go to that doctor's appointment. You don't use crystals as a supplement vs modern medicine. I typically use them in my candle magic and regular practices as a tool much like wands or athames. I love them! They really add to my spells.

Positive Thinking: Again, sounds like bs, huh? You have probably ran into a toxically positive New Ager. But again, if you use this realistically, it actually can help you in life. I actually use to be against this kind of thing. Thought it was shenanigans. Until I met a math teacher who forced us to do this PT crap as a part of class. She made us write "we will pass this class" along with other affirmations that were realistic. (This was remedial math, btw.) I had strong skepticism. Was fairly doubtful the whole way through. Did it anyway and.... after failing that same course 4 times, I did actually pass. So, now I believe that PT it can actually work, even if you are a big honking skeptic like I was.

Hypnosis: This is a NA thing that has not be talked about in decades, but there is solid evidence on a scientific level that hypnosis works. Just to give you an idea, this is an
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. It's actually hilarious how this became so scientifically valid that it was dropped by New Agers for some reason? I have no idea why because it would have gave them more credibility.

Shadow Working: I did this by accident when crafting my magic. But "shadow working" gives NA stuff a bit of an edge. Shadow working means dealing with your negative emotions. This can be more like what you see in Buddhist meditations about reactions to extreme ones like using your emotions in rituals/spells. There's so much variation with this, it is probably better if people experimented to see what fits. Some like the model of being aware of these emotions but letting them be, not even acting on them. Others, like myself, my prefer to "work with" our negative emotions, so to speak, and use it in spell work.
 

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Just to note, I still find Manifestation work detestable. It ranks up there to Prosperity Gospel teachings found in Mega Box Church Coliseum eyesores.

I completely understand the traditional concept of manifestation work being the core of any esoteric working, and apply the concept to virtually every work I do. However, most of what New Age teachings are simply overpriced positive affirmation work, not manifestation- though both have overlapping ties. The image of these Youtube ladies sitting in their cars discussing how to manifest your dreams in nine easy steps- yeah-nope.

Thanks for saying this - this was my immediate thought as well, that Prosperity Gospel is the most extreme perversion of Manifestation. I also agree with finding it detestable. It's always felt to me like brainwashing yourself and giving over your intent and energy to something else to use just as long as you get your cookie.
 

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Ok, I will bite. New Agers have many beliefs and perspectives I definitely don't agree with. That being said, some of their techniques and practices will work if you use them in a realistic manner. I have a list of things that I found worked when I tried them.

Manifestation and the Vision Board: You don't have to do this with LOA (Law of Attraction) because I actually find LOA to be victim blaming which can be unhealthy.
What LOA gets wrong is saying 'everything' is coming from your consciousness.

But whether it is victim blaming or not should have no bearing on its truth claims. The reality is people do bring some things that are disadvantageous to themselves through the power of their imagination.
Hypnosis: This is a NA thing that has not be talked about in decades, but there is solid evidence on a scientific level that hypnosis works. Just to give you an idea, this is an
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. It's actually hilarious how this became so scientifically valid that it was dropped by New Agers for some reason? I have no idea why because it would have gave them more credibility.
Hypnosis is not really new age, and that article is not very good (ie the clinical results on quitting smoking are pretty poor according to the better studies).
 

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What LOA gets wrong is saying 'everything' is coming from your consciousness.

But whether it is victim blaming or not should have no bearing on its truth claims. The reality is people do bring some things that are disadvantageous to themselves through the power of their imagination.

Hypnosis is not really new age, and that article is not very good (ie the clinical results on quitting smoking are pretty poor according to the better studies).
That may be true, as we see with the placebo effect and correlates to some things I mentioned with positive thinking. However, I do not personally agree with LOA, in any case.

Hypnosis, along time ago, was marketed and sometimes lumped in with the NA sphere as another fad like crystals. Many people thought it was bunk because of it. Remnants of this is seen in Trading Spouses God warrior episode Perrin/Malone-Brown, S3 E13. [2005] The woman from the Malone-Brown household is a hypnotherapist, New Agey type, married to an astrologer.

That was my point. The idea of the article was to show it does have results and works, at least in some cases. Not to be nitpicky about every detail.
 

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That was my point. The idea of the article was to show it does have results and works, at least in some cases. Not to be nitpicky about every detail.
I wasn't being pedantic, but there are technical reasons for why I'm mentioning it. Direct manifestation is much more powerful than hypnosis for something like quitting smoking. Now, the categories of the two can certainly blur, but you go to a hypnotist and they give what they think will work for your subconscious. They sometimes do very simple testing for suggestions (say, raise an arm) and then make the leap that the subconscious will respond to whatever else they are proposing.
 

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I will not answer or share my perspective explicitly to the main subject because it is irrelevant for me as I use a non linear thinking modality which expands and extends into multiple dimensions. (Helps with neuroplasticity too)

But instead I would like to share the idea of "new age" which, doesn't exist.
All ages are new when viewed linearly so a 20th century individual will brag or blame their "new age" practice, a 21st individual will refer to the body of knowledge originating from 20th century as "the old ways" and their practice will incorporate "new age" aspects... and so on...
Yes it is besides the point of main topic yet it shows why is "new age" irrelevant from a non linear perspective.
 

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I will not answer or share my perspective explicitly to the main subject because it is irrelevant for me as I use a non linear thinking modality which expands and extends into multiple dimensions. (Helps with neuroplasticity too)

But instead I would like to share the idea of "new age" which, doesn't exist.
All ages are new when viewed linearly so a 20th century individual will brag or blame their "new age" practice, a 21st individual will refer to the body of knowledge originating from 20th century as "the old ways" and their practice will incorporate "new age" aspects... and so on...
Yes it is besides the point of main topic yet it shows why is "new age" irrelevant from a non linear perspective.
I assume New Thought is viewed in the same manner, by simply basing your notion on the terms used to give a name to the ideologies and/or movements? I guess Neo-Platonism is also is non-existent, too.
 

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I assume New Thought is viewed in the same manner, by simply basing your notion on the terms used to give a name to the ideologies and/or movements? I guess Neo-Platonism is also is non-existent, too.
My point exactly.
Quite a limited and linear understanding of my perspective... because doesn't apply to whatever has some forms of "new" (neo) in its name...
 

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I will not answer or share my perspective explicitly to the main subject because it is irrelevant for me
Then youre off-topic. Not a big deal though, I often am myself

New Age is just a broad label for things not fitting into other slots within a fuzzy timespan. Some of it wasn't/isn't new, but as I described there were a few people doing fascinating (and highly useful) things that had no precedent in human history

New Thought was certainly new at its time. As I've noted- previously there was NOTHING in any text -western or eastern- describing a basic capability of humans. Which as I also noted- is quite amazing.
 

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My stance with New Age is that the arbitrary-ness of it all is really off putting and misleading, personally speaking. I believe that what we call "manifestation" is something we already "do" by simply existing, in presence, and that trough deliberate use of intent that we change our experience to the desired one, as the implications of magic reveals that linear time and conventional cause-effect relationships are merely illusory. The same goes for the ascension bit, as people discover magic, they eventually "evolve" in becoming more aware of the thin line between the world itself and their minds. Modern New Agers emphasize in techniques, feelings, vibrations (concise morality dichotomies of "negative" and "positive" energies) and overall metaphorical fixation as something necessary or crucial to manifestation when...it's not. I mean, the mere existence of Chaos Magick/Post-Chaos Magic is enough to make an inquiry about those kind of assessments. Of course i'm talking about those communities out there that opt for an almost religious attitude towards New Age and general explanations (or lack of those) that i found to be detrimental, insane, and not useful at all.

As far as the New Age movement getting anything "right", I don't see any difference from any other path. For me, its all about the application of Will, style conforming to inner nature. Formulae and terminology are empty vessels to be filled, and the ethic of "positive thinking" can be beneficial to anyone who knows how to use it to damn (or use) the pain of existence and march forward.

Really great post. New Age is just an approach of many, despite their fanatics telling you that is the "end all of it all". Also, "positive thinking" hippie attitude of the new age is one of the many main reasons why i frown upon it. "Positive" could mean anything for an infinite myriad of persons, the same with "God"; manifestation is an amoral Santa Claus that doesn't care about morality, because "morality" is just an storyline, and whatever bad or good is just a distinct flavor of the experience in the end. In my perspective what gurus and NA authors refers to "bad behaviour", for me can be actually a way of living, and there is no contradiction because your personal will belongs to the eye of the beholder ultimately, and the magician decides for himself. This, and for others reasons that would be redundant to get into, is why i see New Age as the crypto-evangelicals/Jeovah Witnesses of the practitioners.

My beef with the New Age, in general, is aesthetic. A lot of material I have come across is just fucking corny to me,
This.

The Neville Goddard (LOA) folks are far more hardcore than they appear from the outside, More so than neo-Wiccans.
I found this to be the opposite in my experience, but maybe it depends of who read Goddard material. I found that people who never had genuine experimentation with the practice prior to him end up...bad in the head when coming across LOA, while magicians from Chaos Magick backgrounds and others familiar with the practice were able to integrate his material with no problem. Personally, i was never fond of Goddard, it never made sense to me, and i never found it useful at all, but the people i did learned from synthesized his stuff with a greater perspective, and a grounded, more logical approach in a way that resonates with me better, so i forgot about him in the end.

As for LoA overall, as i stated above, i consider it a very dubious framework that cause more trouble than it's worth. The subconscious, just like the ego, is just a conceptual fictional idea, and has no substrate by it's own unless you act upon it, and in that case, they are an entirely fabricated and illusory constraint, byproduct of not understanding, forgetting about, or not being aware of the impersonal nature of intent. The essence of any magical act, i believe, is only deciding that you doing the ritual cause things to happen, and committing to it, it does. Any further complexity beyond that would be confusing the solid mechanical facts of the experience with abstraction, which is what actually lead to insanity: Acting on lower truths. New Age failed from the beginning assuming that our will is dependent in arbitrary morality, sensory theater, and procedures, when they were all fabricated systemics that we could drop in favor of rising above complexity and embracing our personal nature beyond any foreign notions of "what's wrong and what's right". That's my understanding of it at the moment.
 
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