What's the Most Unhinged/Controversial Occult Insight you have?

[Kepler]

Suitable for the season and the story of Christmas, a workable insight that recognizes Julius Caesar(God), Cleopatra(Mary), Antony(Joseph) and Caesarion(Jesus) synthesized in elements of the story after seeing that Pompeii painting of Venus Genetrix and Eros.
Explains all sorts of ancient cultural spiritual inheritance and context for me.

 

[Swampdweller900]

it's similar to the plot of Jupiter Ascending

To be fair, this is an old concept. In Greek mythology, once the Titans were toppled, humans and human "labor" took the place of making the earth move through the cosmos. Robert Monroe popularized the modern version where human emotional energies, which are called loosh, are harvested and consumed by a layer of higher entities that could, but don't feel like, incarnating into human bodies anymore. That's sort of like a capitalist version of Samsara and Buddhist notions of karma as negative energy trapping us here to reincarnate until we work our way out of this realm. Honest question - are Samsara or loosh harvest not the Prison Planet framework you're coming from conceptually?

If you want me to think of it magickally, you have to spend that energy in exchange for magick to work. You're trading that energy to entities and daemons to get what you want when you invoke their names. So clearly it's both valuable and you have agency over its exchange. Cows don't barter their milk away on the farm for better feed and more outdoor time. If it's an energy I can protect and defend from being exploited, and use when I want how I want if I'm practiced and strong enough, then I'm not on a farm which is harvesting that energy against my will.

Also, wasn't Jupiter Rising a class allegory that just took big mythology and sci-fi themes and mixed them up together? Harvesting life-extending biological material is 100% based on wealthy people getting transfusions from children (a previous conspiracy theory version was harvesting adrenochrome), which is itself taken from the real practice of blood magick anyway.

 

[Mannimarco]

To be fair, this is an old concept.

So?

In Greek mythology, once the Titans were toppled, humans and human "labor" took the place of making the earth move through the cosmos. Robert Monroe popularized the modern version where human emotional energies, which are called loosh, are harvested and consumed by a layer of higher entities that could, but don't feel like, incarnating into human bodies anymore. That's sort of like a capitalist version of Samsara and Buddhist notions of karma as negative energy trapping us here to reincarnate until we work our way out of this realm.

I am well aware of religious myths and Munroe's claims. They also have nothing to do with anything i've said. This is a thread about unhinged or controversial occult insights that people have. Not about parroting which other peoples theories we like the best. Both my original points are from my own gnosis and practice, meditation, divination, journey's, communicating with spirits, etc.

If it's an energy I can protect and defend from being exploited, and use when I want how I want if I'm practiced and strong enough, then I'm not on a farm which is harvesting that energy against my will.

Obviously you're not on a farm if you have escaped the farm, and are living freely in the woods. Or perhaps you've broken out of the barn and are roaming the pasture, thinking you are free while still being on the farm, having some degree of sovereignty, but are still going to be harvested eventually. There are degrees to everything.

If you want me to think of it magickally, you have to spend that energy in exchange for magick to work. You're trading that energy to entities and daemons to get what you want when you invoke their names. So clearly it's both valuable and you have agency over its exchange.

The energy one expends to manifest a desired outcome through magick also has nothing to do with the energy/energies being harvested from humanity. Apples and oranges. Nice red herring

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Honest question - are Samsara or loosh harvest not the Prison Planet framework you're coming from conceptually?

No. I'm coming from my own gnosis and occult practice.

 

[supremecoyote]

my most unhinged occultic insight is that giant cosmic snake/dragon/ reptilian like entities are real. Every culture and I mean every culture has their own lore about giant dragons or snakes. Some of these entities govern esoteric knowledge, some of them are harbingers of death and rebirth, some of them are revered as creator spirits. Some of them simply guard treasure and eat people.

How fascinating that we as a broad community of humans all share the same understanding of giant spiritual reptiles. I don't think that's up to coincidence. I do believe there's cosmic aspects at play.

I had a really insightful conversation during a lucid dream involving Sinti Holo ( indigenous snake God ). He explained to me the complexities of life, death, and the transfer of spiritual energy in the middle of an ethereal marsh. For something so complex, he spoke to me in a way where it just made sense.

I really don't know what to do with this information that in the dimensions outside of our 3D material world, lies other realms probably scattered with various cosmic reptilian like entities. But it sounds like a cool place to hang.

 

[Swampdweller900]

I'm coming from my own gnosis and occult practice.

Wonderful! Because I really thought you were just trying to say that the plot of a movie is reality is your hot take. I'm not parroting those other prison planet ideas, I'm going down the list of other things that are similar to what you said and asking if that's like what you're saying.

Would you be willing to just explain your perspective? I'm trying to figure out what it is because I'm genuinely interested and you seem offended that I'm making guesses based on relatively little information.

 

[Morell]

I had a really insightful conversation during a lucid dream involving Sinti Holo ( indigenous snake God ). He explained to me the complexities of life, death, and the transfer of spiritual energy in the middle of an ethereal marsh. For something so complex, he spoke to me in a way where it just made sense.

Cool thing about spiritual communication is that unlike with human communication way more than just words and body language is used to communicate.