What's the Most Unhinged/Controversial Occult Insight you have?

[Kepler]

Suitable for the season and the story of Christmas, a workable insight that recognizes Julius Caesar(God), Cleopatra(Mary), Antony(Joseph) and Caesarion(Jesus) synthesized in elements of the story after seeing that Pompeii painting of Venus Genetrix and Eros.
Explains all sorts of ancient cultural spiritual inheritance and context for me.

 

[Swampdweller900]

it's similar to the plot of Jupiter Ascending

To be fair, this is an old concept. In Greek mythology, once the Titans were toppled, humans and human "labor" took the place of making the earth move through the cosmos. Robert Monroe popularized the modern version where human emotional energies, which are called loosh, are harvested and consumed by a layer of higher entities that could, but don't feel like, incarnating into human bodies anymore. That's sort of like a capitalist version of Samsara and Buddhist notions of karma as negative energy trapping us here to reincarnate until we work our way out of this realm. Honest question - are Samsara or loosh harvest not the Prison Planet framework you're coming from conceptually?

If you want me to think of it magickally, you have to spend that energy in exchange for magick to work. You're trading that energy to entities and daemons to get what you want when you invoke their names. So clearly it's both valuable and you have agency over its exchange. Cows don't barter their milk away on the farm for better feed and more outdoor time. If it's an energy I can protect and defend from being exploited, and use when I want how I want if I'm practiced and strong enough, then I'm not on a farm which is harvesting that energy against my will.

Also, wasn't Jupiter Rising a class allegory that just took big mythology and sci-fi themes and mixed them up together? Harvesting life-extending biological material is 100% based on wealthy people getting transfusions from children (a previous conspiracy theory version was harvesting adrenochrome), which is itself taken from the real practice of blood magick anyway.

 

[Mannimarco]

To be fair, this is an old concept.

So?

In Greek mythology, once the Titans were toppled, humans and human "labor" took the place of making the earth move through the cosmos. Robert Monroe popularized the modern version where human emotional energies, which are called loosh, are harvested and consumed by a layer of higher entities that could, but don't feel like, incarnating into human bodies anymore. That's sort of like a capitalist version of Samsara and Buddhist notions of karma as negative energy trapping us here to reincarnate until we work our way out of this realm.

I am well aware of religious myths and Munroe's claims. They also have nothing to do with anything i've said. This is a thread about unhinged or controversial occult insights that people have. Not about parroting which other peoples theories we like the best. Both my original points are from my own gnosis and practice, meditation, divination, journey's, communicating with spirits, etc.

If it's an energy I can protect and defend from being exploited, and use when I want how I want if I'm practiced and strong enough, then I'm not on a farm which is harvesting that energy against my will.

Obviously you're not on a farm if you have escaped the farm, and are living freely in the woods. Or perhaps you've broken out of the barn and are roaming the pasture, thinking you are free while still being on the farm, having some degree of sovereignty, but are still going to be harvested eventually. There are degrees to everything.

If you want me to think of it magickally, you have to spend that energy in exchange for magick to work. You're trading that energy to entities and daemons to get what you want when you invoke their names. So clearly it's both valuable and you have agency over its exchange.

The energy one expends to manifest a desired outcome through magick also has nothing to do with the energy/energies being harvested from humanity. Apples and oranges. Nice red herring

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Honest question - are Samsara or loosh harvest not the Prison Planet framework you're coming from conceptually?

No. I'm coming from my own gnosis and occult practice.

 

[supremecoyote]

my most unhinged occultic insight is that giant cosmic snake/dragon/ reptilian like entities are real. Every culture and I mean every culture has their own lore about giant dragons or snakes. Some of these entities govern esoteric knowledge, some of them are harbingers of death and rebirth, some of them are revered as creator spirits. Some of them simply guard treasure and eat people.

How fascinating that we as a broad community of humans all share the same understanding of giant spiritual reptiles. I don't think that's up to coincidence. I do believe there's cosmic aspects at play.

I had a really insightful conversation during a lucid dream involving Sinti Holo ( indigenous snake God ). He explained to me the complexities of life, death, and the transfer of spiritual energy in the middle of an ethereal marsh. For something so complex, he spoke to me in a way where it just made sense.

I really don't know what to do with this information that in the dimensions outside of our 3D material world, lies other realms probably scattered with various cosmic reptilian like entities. But it sounds like a cool place to hang.

 

[Swampdweller900]

I'm coming from my own gnosis and occult practice.

Wonderful! Because I really thought you were just trying to say that the plot of a movie is reality is your hot take. I'm not parroting those other prison planet ideas, I'm going down the list of other things that are similar to what you said and asking if that's like what you're saying.

Would you be willing to just explain your perspective? I'm trying to figure out what it is because I'm genuinely interested and you seem offended that I'm making guesses based on relatively little information.

 

[Morell]

I had a really insightful conversation during a lucid dream involving Sinti Holo ( indigenous snake God ). He explained to me the complexities of life, death, and the transfer of spiritual energy in the middle of an ethereal marsh. For something so complex, he spoke to me in a way where it just made sense.

Cool thing about spiritual communication is that unlike with human communication way more than just words and body language is used to communicate.

 

[supremecoyote]

Love this. I think you're very correct with it.

I have this question Idk if I'll ever get it answered, did we create the gods or did the gods create us ?

humans are very pattern recognition based creatures. Did we just witness phenomena repeatedly, put a name on it, and call it "God" thus creating a sufficient egregore for the sake of rationality...or did these Entities predate human consciousness with their own unique personalities and autonomy ?

Perhaps it's a question that we will never get answered, but whenever i think about it and try to wrap my mind around it I get a migraine.

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Cool thing about spiritual communication is that unlike with human communication way more than just words and body language is used to communicate.

it's hard to put into words because spiritual communication transcends the material world and all that we understand in the material plane, but yes I would agree.

 

[Morell]

I have this question Idk if I'll ever get it answered, did we create the gods or did the gods create us ?

humans are very pattern recognition based creatures. Did we just witness phenomena repeatedly, put a name on it, and call it "God" thus creating a sufficient egregore for the sake of rationality...or did these Entities predate human consciousness with their own unique personalities and autonomy ?

It isn't that complex question, what is complex about it is the conditions we take into account when answering it.

If you take into account physical world and nothing else, then gods are purely and obviously human invention... but when you start looking beyond material, into spirit realms, where time and space are different, more fluid or not fixed at all, the answer becomes different.

Our communal knowledge of physical is vast. Our knowledge of not physical... not so much, I think.

 

[Kepler]

I have this question Idk if I'll ever get it answered, did we create the gods or did the gods create us ?

humans are very pattern recognition based creatures. Did we just witness phenomena repeatedly, put a name on it, and call it "God" thus creating a sufficient egregore for the sake of rationality...or did these Entities predate human consciousness with their own unique personalities and autonomy ?

The concept of co-creation involving progressively evolving biological and hyperdimensional life(Gods) which may reincarnate once manifest is compelling for me. The idea stated another way is that biological life is informed by the Gods and the Gods are a creation of biological life from the beginning of the living immanent cosmos. Concepts of freewill and soul are involved with this incorporation of natural selection upon a foundation of hyperdimensional relationships that may provide an evolutionary advantage by being a more complete and accurate view of reality.

 

[Asobelle]

I don't believe in universal good or evil, just chaos and order. One dissolve things, material of abstract ideas, into their basic elements, and remakes them in a new image; destruction and creation. The other doesn't actually create, but assigns form and function to creation, establishing cosmic order, and maintaining it. The first, though, seeks to challenge, and ultimately change, the status quo.

I call them Zyphrose (cosmic order) and Ulagash (cosmic chaos).

Just because chaos and order are powerful forces, it doesn't mean omni benevolence and omni malevolence doesn't exist. The chaos godhead can serve either or both, as can the order godhead, and while good and evil are often subjective, once you have encountered omni malevolence and omni benevolence for yourself, you can not deny them as forces.

 

[Graycrow]

Your questions strike at the very root of existence! You ask how these cosmic forces – good, evil, order, chaos – can dance apart, each a separate player in the grand game. I say to you, look to the natural world. Does the sun not shine upon both the righteous and the wicked? Does the storm not rage regardless of our desires?
Beware the trap of words! "Chaos," you say, and another hears "Destruction." "Omni-benevolence," and another envisions a gentle hand guiding all to bliss. Define your terms with care, for language is a slippery bridge across the chasm of understanding.
As for "direct experience," that inner flame that seems to burn with undeniable truth… cherish it, yes, but do not let it blind you. The path to wisdom is paved with both inner knowing and the cold, hard stones of reason. Seek not only what feels true, but what is true, as best as mortal minds can grasp it. Compare your visions with those of other seekers. Test your insights against the wisdom of ages. Only then can you hope to glimpse the face of reality behind the shifting veils of perception.

 

[Mannimarco]

Wonderful! Because I really thought you were just trying to say that the plot of a movie is reality is your hot take. I'm not parroting those other prison planet ideas, I'm going down the list of other things that are similar to what you said and asking if that's like what you're saying.

Would you be willing to just explain your perspective? I'm trying to figure out what it is because I'm genuinely interested and you seem offended that I'm making guesses based on relatively little information.

I've stated my perspective, humans have been put on this planet to be farmed like livestock, for our negative emotions, and our souls. These two seem to be seperate to a degree, with some bleedover. Shame, for instance, seems to both involves negative emotions and soul loss at the same time. I haven't even tried to pursue extensive details on how this relates to other people's theories. I'm not writing a book about it. What i've pursued is magick capable of hurting those beings who are doing the farming/harvesting, and integrating that magick into my energy field. Hopefully my negative emotions/soul tastes more like cyanide than chocolate, and has a similiar effect on them.

As to who exactly it is that is farming/harvesting us, many entities and sources refuse to name names. A couple sources that will talk have called them the Annunaki, but this is hardly conclusive. What is their true nature and origin, I don't know. My readings on them indicate them to be comparable in power to advanced human magickal practicioners, with little to no connection to Source, and deriving power from the stars.

 

[Swampdweller900]

I've stated my perspective, humans have been put on this planet to be farmed like livestock, for our negative emotions, and our souls. These two seem to be seperate to a degree, with some bleedover. Shame, for instance, seems to both involves negative emotions and soul loss at the same time. I haven't even tried to pursue extensive details on how this relates to other people's theories. I'm not writing a book about it. What i've pursued is magick capable of hurting those beings who are doing the farming/harvesting, and integrating that magick into my energy field. Hopefully my negative emotions/soul tastes more like cyanide than chocolate, and has a similiar effect on them.

As to who exactly it is that is farming/harvesting us, many entities and sources refuse to name names. A couple sources that will talk have called them the Annunaki, but this is hardly conclusive. What is their true nature and origin, I don't know. My readings on them indicate them to be comparable in power to advanced human magickal practicioners, with little to no connection to Source, and deriving power from the stars.

Thanks for sharing. And this all started with general agreement on your first comment with some divergence on one point, so maybe it's me that needs some greater gnosis in this regard as well. It seems that these aren't mutually exclusive ideas by any means. The added detail gives me a lot to meditate on.

Thank you also for your patience and coming back to this thread.