Who Was Jesus, truly?

[Amadeus]

I have been pondering this topic.
I have always thought of god as being the source from where we all come from and each person being a tiny spark of light, a tiny piece of the source.
Maybe Jesus was somebody who had certain special knowledge. He knew where he came from and what was awaiting him on the other side. Perhaps he was a powerful wizard. His knowledge probably was much higher than the people of that time. Jesus was a manifestation of the source, somebody with the awareness and knowledge. Maybe the source sent him for a purpose and over time people turned the whole thing into sects and altered the message.
When Jesus speaks of knowing the father it's probably a reference to the source.

It could just be an egregore, perhaps. Some people I've met have said it is an egregore for sure, others think it is both an egregore and there are some spirits/deities/something

 

[Johny111]

Jesus has many roles, but one of the most interesting is that Jesus is the light of the world. This is evident in the tarot card Universe in the Thoth deck. In medieval symbolism, Jesus was depicted inside a vesica. Of course, in the tarot, he is replaced by a girl or androgyne, but that is another topic. Also, notice how the Gospel of John begins.

 

[MidnightProphet]

Jesus has many roles, but one of the most interesting is that Jesus is the light of the world. This is evident in the tarot card Universe in the Thoth deck. In medieval symbolism, Jesus was depicted inside a vesica. Of course, in the tarot, he is replaced by a girl or androgyne, but that is another topic. Also, notice how the Gospel of John begins.

Please expound.

 

[Johny111]

I am not in a position to write a dissertation on this, but here are some ideas. If we read the Gospels carefully, we will notice a number of roles for Jesus. He is Savior, Word, King of the Jews, Revolutionary, Necromancer, Exorcist, Healer, Provider, Teacher, Miracle Worker, Prophet, Son of God, and "the one who baptizes with the Holy Spirit." I have probably left something out. Some of these epithets are symbolic and some are practical. For example, Jesus as the Word is vibration; vibration is life; life is light. The world is darkness (qliphoth), and darkness is death. In the Gospel of John it is written that the world did not recognize the Light, or the qliphoth does not recognize what it contains. People are in the power of darkness, or the qliphoth, and therefore they do not recognize the Light, which results in rejecting and not recognizing Jesus. They do not recognize the carrier of the vibration of the universal creative principle, or the mystical Father. In the Arcana Universe in the Thoth deck, we see the light coming from the Eye piercing the Serpent. This is an ancient symbol of the awakened kundalini and depicts the adept's consciousness being immersed in divine light. In this sense, Jesus is the embodiment of the basic Luciferian principle - Deus est Homo. He is the light that draws other sparks of light from the qliphotic vessels.

 

[MidnightProphet]

I am not in a position to write a dissertation on this, but here are some ideas. If we read the Gospels carefully, we will notice a number of roles for Jesus. He is Savior, Word, King of the Jews, Revolutionary, Necromancer, Exorcist, Healer, Provider, Teacher, Miracle Worker, Prophet, Son of God, and "the one who baptizes with the Holy Spirit." I have probably left something out. Some of these epithets are symbolic and some are practical. For example, Jesus as the Word is vibration; vibration is life; life is light. The world is darkness (qliphoth), and darkness is death. In the Gospel of John it is written that the world did not recognize the Light, or the qliphoth does not recognize what it contains. People are in the power of darkness, or the qliphoth, and therefore they do not recognize the Light, which results in rejecting and not recognizing Jesus. They do not recognize the carrier of the vibration of the universal creative principle, or the mystical Father. In the Arcana Universe in the Thoth deck, we see the light coming from the Eye piercing the Serpent. This is an ancient symbol of the awakened kundalini and depicts the adept's consciousness being immersed in divine light. In this sense, Jesus is the embodiment of the basic Luciferian principle - Deus est Homo. He is the light that draws other sparks of light from the qliphotic vessels.

Alright. You passed the vibe check.

Usually when people say, "but that's another topic..." it just means they don't know what they're talking about but want people to think they know so much that they couldn't possibly briefly summarize concepts.

Thank you for sharing what you have. I can actually see a very lucid formula here.

 

[AlfrunGrima]

I have friends who are talking on a regular basis to Jesus and who have a very intimate relationship with him. They left the church for what it was. Religion is man-made. The bible is rewritten and rewritten over the centuries and the church wanted a lot of political power and used religion to fear and kill people. And foremost, they wanted to do what we as magicians like to do ourself: making contact directly with the Divine source and with spirits. They didn't want to share that privilege with the common people..... And that all is contaminating the relationship with the spirit Jesus.

If you want to know who Jesus is, maybe don't read the bible anymore. Don't follow the church dogma and contact him like you would do with a demon, maybe even see him as a demon. If I observe some of my friends, they freed themself in this way completely from Christian dogma and the fearmongering church. And found a different Jesus. For some that could be an interesting process. (For me this should be the preferred way to learn something about from a spirit. I don't like to start from what other people say over or what has been written about a spirit, I would experience it myself. So I would reject the bible AND the church history in this)

 

[Fausto]

For me not everyone who wears white clothes and speak on compassion AND love are worthy of my trust.

 

[LoveGuyGirl💗]

Jesus = agent of the dark divine masculine yahweh, allah elohim. False gods. Divine feminine? True god. But suppressed for long now awakened. Pope death? Proof things changing. 333333

 

[NightWatchman95]

My favourite theory is that jesus was a Roman psyop to pacify the jews. They wanted a messiah to crush Rome and establish their kingdom, so Rome gave them a story about a messiah that told them they had it all wrong, "the kingdom of heaven is within you", and they needed to turn the other cheek and pay their taxes, etc. Who knows, but it would be hilarious if that was the case.

For what its worth, my pendulum says jesus is 100% created by, and dependent on, human attention. He came into existence 1,950 years ago, and was never an incarnate human. Which is a very similar answer to what I get for other gods.

If i ever successfully create magick than can permanently cut an egregore off from human attention, I guess we'll find out. Because jesus won't be around for long after that.

so what? your saying we birthed Jesus after some aggregore orgy party with our belief in messianic prophets? not so virgin for a virgin birth i might say in that case.

 

[MidnightProphet]

Jesus = agent of the dark divine masculine yahweh, allah elohim. False gods. Divine feminine? True god. But suppressed for long now awakened. Pope death? Proof things changing. 333333

Pope death = Old people die. Your approaches here smack of Bible-belt fundamentalism.

 

[Kepler]

Serapis. Kidding, mostly.

Parts of the Biblical myth appear like syncretic fabrication developed over time to integrate an agape god that is partly-inspired by the god/human Caesarion.

Similar theory in some ways to the establishment of Toci, although developed retrospectively by the Alexandrians and friends with knowledge gained from the Septuagint.

Still retains spiritual authority over the civil powers of the Egyptian Decans in the religious transfer of temporal power through the Church. But, as the celestial aspects of the god as seasonal have weakened from precession and a modern understanding of the universe. Leading to the need for new guiding principles of civics and ethics anchored to truth in relationship to the universe.

 

[NightWatchman95]

Serapis. Kidding, mostly.

Parts of the Biblical myth appear like syncretic fabrication developed over time to integrate an agape god that is partly-inspired by the god/human Caesarion.

Similar theory in some ways to the establishment of Toci, although developed retrospectively by the Alexandrians and friends with knowledge gained from the Septuagint.

Still retains spiritual authority over the civil powers of the Egyptian Decans in the religious transfer of temporal power through the Church. But, as the celestial aspects of the god as seasonal have weakened from precession and a modern understanding of the universe. Leading to the need for new guiding principles of civics and ethics anchored to truth in relationship to the universe.

from what we can learn form what happened to the Gothic Arianists who harnessed jesus as a symbol of rebellion against roman rule, you can sack Rome, but if you think you can compromise with the more "moderate" papal authorities, you are setting yourself up for getting stabbed in the back. christianity historically had legs to stand on when it came to non-trinitarian versions of it that rejected central authority and i think unitarian protestantism echoes this and its no suprise this arianist/unitarian revival that shatters the nicene creed to bits mirrors the dawn of the fourth turning circa 2016 (UCCA).

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from what we can learn form what happened to the Gothic Arianists who harnessed jesus as a symbol of rebellion against roman rule, you can sack Rome, but if you think you can compromise with the more "moderate" papal authorities, you are setting yourself up for getting stabbed in the back. christianity historically had legs to stand on when it came to non-trinitarian versions of it that rejected central authority and i think unitarian protestantism echoes this and its no suprise this arianist/unitarian revival that shatters the nicene creed to bits mirrors the dawn of the fourth turning circa 2016 (UCCA).

TLDR: unitarianism is a return to form of christianity as a counterbalancing force to secular power, not a tool for it.

 

[Amur]

IHVH = God's name. IHShVH with the Spirit in between the elements is Yeheshua, which means the Spirit of God. That's about the only thing I got from Jebus.

 

[Sabbatius]

Who was Jesus, truly?

To some, a Messiah, the Anointed One who will rule Israel. To others, a liar who blasphemed against the Temple of the Lord.
Much of the Legend is based on centuries of interpretation and myth.
Was Jesus divine? Was Jesus Human? Was Jesus both?
A good question is whether you believe he was a charlatan, a madman or the Son of God?
Multitudes died believing in Jesus for the first three centuries. Were they fools or did they die for a just cause?