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Who Was Jesus, truly?

Zelator2148

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The most interesting take on it I've ever seen was one I encountered many years ago. The premise was that Jesus wasn't a person but a "movement," and that there were many "Jesus schools" in the region hoping to groom the "Master."
 

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I don't have the answer to that. However, I just read an excellent horror novel that has a remarkably intelligent proposition contained within. It is not Christian fiction and it is not preachy whatsoever. Imaginary Friend by Stephen Chbosky (author of The Perks of Being a Wallflower). PDF upon request.
 

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Jesus to me is the Crucified God, the Universal Christ, the Bread and Wine I eat and drink during the Holy Mass. Yet I only believe this by faith that's not a 100% certain and that's ok.
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My favourite theory is that jesus was a Roman psyop to pacify the jews. They wanted a messiah to crush Rome and establish their kingdom, so Rome gave them a story about a messiah that told them they had it all wrong, "the kingdom of heaven is within you", and they needed to turn the other cheek and pay their taxes, etc. Who knows, but it would be hilarious if that was the case.

For what its worth, my pendulum says jesus is 100% created by, and dependent on, human attention. He came into existence 1,950 years ago, and was never an incarnate human. Which is a very similar answer to what I get for other gods.

If i ever successfully create magick than can permanently cut an egregore off from human attention, I guess we'll find out. Because jesus won't be around for long after that. :)
You do realize most historians reject that psyop theory propagated by Atwill since there's is lack of evidence to prove that. I'm also going to point out that some of the examples you give are best understood in the cultural context of the Ancient Near East and not in our own eyes. For example, turning the other cheek was to be a tactic to prevent oppressors from further oppression as explained in this article.

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Finally, any deity you don't like or agree with is not automatically an egregore. Perhaps one's interpretation of said deity can be though.
 
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The most interesting take on it I've ever seen was one I encountered many years ago. The premise was that Jesus wasn't a person but a "movement," and that there were many "Jesus schools" in the region hoping to groom the "Master."
I've sometimes thought of it as a Robin Hood story where the words and deeds of many people were attributed to one person. I hope some history emerges to clarify this time period, but I won't hold my breathe.
 

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It's likely Jesus never existed and was just a figure to really emphasize a story in one of the, if not the most popular fictional writings of all time.
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however----

Jesus becomes the epitome of triumph, of sacrifice, of a vessel of god, or someone to contains God's likeness.. He becomes the conduit between God and man, he is the epitome of the higher consciousness or "Christ consciousness"..

But the fact that no article of his clothing or no relics he owned are kept anywhere are very odd.. considering they even have stuff from Prophet Muhammad, sandals he wore, pieces of his hair, and others.

Prophet Muhammad might be one of the only religious figures that we not only have lots of testimonials of his life and his day to day behaviors, lifestyles, how he was with his youngest wife, (story of them having foot races to see whos faster, her winning,then later when she got more fat, him winning and teasing her, etc).. stories of how he was with friends or people who were known to be unattractive (story of Julaybeeb, ) and treated less by others, and how he showed them even more care, boosted them up.. There are stories of how he ate, what he liked to eat, how he dressed, how he washed up (which muslims follow today), etc..

The sad reality is, the ways of Jesus ar enot even followe dby Christians.. Jesus abstained from swine and drink, grew his beard, fasted, prayed with his face on the ground-- The Christians dont follow any of this.. it almost seems blasphemous.. But the Muslims, they follow these things and the ways of Muhammad very closely..

Why is any of this important? From a theological perspective, Christianity is not a strong enough discipline and holds little regard when it was revised and re-written by a European king who basically just had his scribed write whatever he wanted.. and this is the religion the majorit of the world believes in...
 
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