Why is there a sort of taboo around gambling and lottery in occultism work?

[raptordog]

Hello all,

I am writing this post mainly to start working towards access to the library but also I would like to discuss with people in the know.

Why is it that manifestation, magick, occultism in general touches so little upon the topic of winning the lottery? It seems to me a sort of "taboo" has been established around gambling and lottery.

While reading "Pendulum Magic for Beginners" by Richard Webster I came accross a warning he makes to basically "not use this ability for gambling", in the book he touches upon the subject of horse racing, saying you should not use the pendulum to divine which horse is going to win, and that if you do, you will find negative consequences about you.

I've felt a general mood follows this topic in many occultist practices/knowledge, and I just don't understand why.

Is it because is not a "noble" endeavor? Does this even matter? Is that attaining money fast is a bad thing, while using the pendulum to, perhaps let's say, find your lost car keys is a good thing? (The author I mentioned earlier suggests this purpose as something you can do with Pendulum magic, but condems gambling and other things)

Specially I wonder about lottery winning. Our society is built around money, it is literally called CAPITALism. Money is the center of everything in human westernized society. Then there is a mechanism that allows for a few individuals to attain large amounts of money with very little investment, you buy a ticket for 3 bucks and you could receive a million. How is it that, in a capital centrist society, so few teachers touch upon the subject of winning the lottery which is one of the fastest methods of attaining wealth, while also involving minimal effort?

It just feels to me that such a simple and effective mechanism should be the center of more works in a society where money is the main subject.

 

[DangWizards]

Hello all,

I am writing this post mainly to start working towards access to the library but also I would like to discuss with people in the know.

Why is it that manifestation, magick, occultism in general touches so little upon the topic of winning the lottery? It seems to me a sort of "taboo" has been established around gambling and lottery.

While reading "Pendulum Magic for Beginners" by Richard Webster I came accross a warning he makes to basically "not use this ability for gambling", in the book he touches upon the subject of horse racing, saying you should not use the pendulum to divine which horse is going to win, and that if you do, you will find negative consequences about you.

I've felt a general mood follows this topic in many occultist practices/knowledge, and I just don't understand why.

Is it because is not a "noble" endeavor? Does this even matter? Is that attaining money fast is a bad thing, while using the pendulum to, perhaps let's say, find your lost car keys is a good thing? (The author I mentioned earlier suggests this purpose as something you can do with Pendulum magic, but condems gambling and other things)

Specially I wonder about lottery winning. Our society is built around money, it is literally called CAPITALism. Money is the center of everything in human westernized society. Then there is a mechanism that allows for a few individuals to attain large amounts of money with very little investment, you buy a ticket for 3 bucks and you could receive a million. How is it that, in a capital centrist society, so few teachers touch upon the subject of winning the lottery which is one of the fastest methods of attaining wealth, while also involving minimal effort?

It just feels to me that such a simple and effective mechanism should be the center of more works in a society where money is the main subject.

Well it hurts to lose your money at a casino, how much more would it hurt if it also proved your powers are imaginary? I'm not taking a shot at you or anyone in particular but most practitioners are not bold enough to put their money where their mouth is (and would likely receive a painful shock if they did).

And if one is actually the beneficiary of a higher power, one capable of changing the real physical outcome of rolled dice and not just manipulating emotional energy, then you might want to adopt a humble attitude with respect to them because that is a very high ability.

Thirdly, it could be that the conspicuous use of such powers would draw the attention of other organizations who you are better off avoiding

 

[Digiquo]

After mulling over this topic for a few days, it struck me most people are looking at winning the lottery from the perspective that you haven't won the lottery unless its the organization hosting the lottery that gives you the money. Most people who play the lottery often in a bid to increase their odds of winning will never win, and the amount of money they spent could probably have reversed their fortunes entirely if invested more wisely in something else. However, somebody has to win the lottery eventually, and 9 times out of 10 it will be some such individual. A fool and his money are soon parted, and most lottery winners wind up right back where they were within a few years.

My question is, why are lottery chasing wizards targeting the highly manipulated and overseen lottery events instead of the lucky fools who will quickly find any and every reason to part with their winnings? Skimming from the top of the lottery winners sounds to me like a much more reliable way of "winning the lottery" than actually trying to pull the winning ticket.

 

[PinealisGlandia]

After mulling over this topic for a few days, it struck me most people are looking at winning the lottery from the perspective that you haven't won the lottery unless its the organization hosting the lottery that gives you the money. Most people who play the lottery often in a bid to increase their odds of winning will never win, and the amount of money they spent could probably have reversed their fortunes entirely if invested more wisely in something else. However, somebody has to win the lottery eventually, and 9 times out of 10 it will be some such individual. A fool and his money are soon parted, and most lottery winners wind up right back where they were within a few years.

My question is, why are lottery chasing wizards targeting the highly manipulated and overseen lottery events instead of the lucky fools who will quickly find any and every reason to part with their winnings? Skimming from the top of the lottery winners sounds to me like a much more reliable way of "winning the lottery" than actually trying to pull the winning ticket.

It's actually an urban legend that most lottery winners go broke after winning. It's true if you interview someone who won a state lottery a year later, they probably don't have the money anymore, but if you research it, you won't find "broke jackpot winners" from the national lotteries.

 

[Yvonne]

It's estimated that your chances of winning the UK lottery are of the order of 15 million to one.

In comparison, William Hill, the bookmakers, give the odds of the Biblical Apocalypse at 6000 to one.

Your chances of dying in a car crash are around 350 to one.

I once read that if you drive ten miles to buy a lottery ticket you have a greater chance of being killed in a road accident on the way than winning . So, I drove ten miles and bought a lottery ticket . Didn't win. Didn't crash .

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After mulling over this topic for a few days, it struck me most people are looking at winning the lottery from the perspective that you haven't won the lottery unless its the organization hosting the lottery that gives you the money. Most people who play the lottery often in a bid to increase their odds of winning will never win, and the amount of money they spent could probably have reversed their fortunes entirely if invested more wisely in something else. However, somebody has to win the lottery eventually, and 9 times out of 10 it will be some such individual. A fool and his money are soon parted, and most lottery winners wind up right back where they were within a few years.

My question is, why are lottery chasing wizards targeting the highly manipulated and overseen lottery events instead of the lucky fools who will quickly find any and every reason to part with their winnings? Skimming from the top of the lottery winners sounds to me like a much more reliable way of "winning the lottery" than actually trying to pull the winning ticket.

"A fool and his money are soon parted",

and sometimes reaquainted

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Hello all,

I am writing this post mainly to start working towards access to the library but also I would like to discuss with people in the know.

Why is it that manifestation, magick, occultism in general touches so little upon the topic of winning the lottery? It seems to me a sort of "taboo" has been established around gambling and lottery.

While reading "Pendulum Magic for Beginners" by Richard Webster I came accross a warning he makes to basically "not use this ability for gambling", in the book he touches upon the subject of horse racing, saying you should not use the pendulum to divine which horse is going to win, and that if you do, you will find negative consequences about you.

I've felt a general mood follows this topic in many occultist practices/knowledge, and I just don't understand why.

Is it because is not a "noble" endeavor? Does this even matter? Is that attaining money fast is a bad thing, while using the pendulum to, perhaps let's say, find your lost car keys is a good thing? (The author I mentioned earlier suggests this purpose as something you can do with Pendulum magic, but condems gambling and other things)

Specially I wonder about lottery winning. Our society is built around money, it is literally called CAPITALism. Money is the center of everything in human westernized society. Then there is a mechanism that allows for a few individuals to attain large amounts of money with very little investment, you buy a ticket for 3 bucks and you could receive a million. How is it that, in a capital centrist society, so few teachers touch upon the subject of winning the lottery which is one of the fastest methods of attaining wealth, while also involving minimal effort?

It just feels to me that such a simple and effective mechanism should be the center of more works in a society where money is the main subject.

Webster probably doesn't want to be sued if it doesn't work for lottery or accused of creating a gambling problem . Also if everyone won there wouldn't be enough to pay out. But most importantly I think you should decide for yourself if it's right. That's just Webster's opinion after all.

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Hello all,

I am writing this post mainly to start working towards access to the library but also I would like to discuss with people in the know.

Why is it that manifestation, magick, occultism in general touches so little upon the topic of winning the lottery? It seems to me a sort of "taboo" has been established around gambling and lottery.

While reading "Pendulum Magic for Beginners" by Richard Webster I came accross a warning he makes to basically "not use this ability for gambling", in the book he touches upon the subject of horse racing, saying you should not use the pendulum to divine which horse is going to win, and that if you do, you will find negative consequences about you.

I've felt a general mood follows this topic in many occultist practices/knowledge, and I just don't understand why.

Is it because is not a "noble" endeavor? Does this even matter? Is that attaining money fast is a bad thing, while using the pendulum to, perhaps let's say, find your lost car keys is a good thing? (The author I mentioned earlier suggests this purpose as something you can do with Pendulum magic, but condems gambling and other things)

Specially I wonder about lottery winning. Our society is built around money, it is literally called CAPITALism. Money is the center of everything in human westernized society. Then there is a mechanism that allows for a few individuals to attain large amounts of money with very little investment, you buy a ticket for 3 bucks and you could receive a million. How is it that, in a capital centrist society, so few teachers touch upon the subject of winning the lottery which is one of the fastest methods of attaining wealth, while also involving minimal effort?

It just feels to me that such a simple and effective mechanism should be the center of more works in a society where money is the main subject.

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You're welcome!

When it comes to action, this is how energy works. You do the magic ritual, but you need to apply things in real life as well. Like I have said with the money, do the necessary rituals you find yourself resonate with, but then start applying for a job and job interviews (if you are not employed), request and work hard for a promotion / raise (if employed). Even if you chant mantras for money for like hours a day but you do nothing, it becomes wasted effort as the energy can't act if there isn't at least some sort of metaphorical gate opened.

The dancing of the shamans is linked to their ritual and it has been so for thousands of years. If they wouldn't dance as part of their ritual requirement, they would not have rain.

Even Jesus performed an action for the work to happen when bringing Lazarus back to life. If He wouldn't have gone to Lazaru's grave, would He have healed Lazarus and brought him back to life? I don't think so. Would Jesus heal the demon-possesed from Gerasenes if He hadn't gone there to heal the person and cast away Legion, the demon / group of demons? No, He wouldn't have done it that way.

Energy is important to be conducted by actions.

As for the savings put in crypto, sorry to hear that and I hope I didn't hurt you with my message. It is important to avoid doing such mistakes after learning that it is not ok.

"when it comes to action, this is how energy works. You do the magic ritual, but you need to apply things in real life as well. " I rhink that is a limiting thought. I knew someone who could get a windfall/win without doing work " applying things". I've done it myself for small amounts .

Also it's blocking channels to insist the money must come from lottery. If everyone won there wouldn't be enough to go around .

 

[raptordog]

Finally, as has been mentioned, lottery winners pretty regularly report being worse off after the win than they were before. Apparently the 70% report bankruptcy in 5 years statistic isn't backed by good data, but even if that's half right, that's a lot. If I won millions, I know for sure I'd have people coming out of the woodwork to ask for just a little something, until I'm broke. You become a tragedy of the commons, as 200 people say "They're rich! They can give me $5K" and suddenly there's a million dollars gone, bad blood among everyone

That's why anonimity is so valuable in life. If I'd won the lottery, no one would know unless the lottery people doxxed me on their website or something. And even then, if they publish my face or my name, no one would know how to find me. I have no friends and very few family members. I don't understand about this specific part people fear about winning the lottery. I mean, you can just choose to not tell anyone, and in the horrendous case they show you on the news, well, just use the money to relocate and change contact information.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

I once read that if you drive ten miles to buy a lottery ticket you have a greater chance of being killed in a road accident on the way than winning . So, I drove ten miles and bought a lottery ticket . Didn't win. Didn't crash .

That is indeed how probability works
Correlation is not causation

 

[HoldAll]

There's this expression for buying scratch tickets I once heard: "paying the fool's tax". I wonder if it could be called "paying the failed apprentice wizard tax" in this connection.

 

[Aeternus]

That's why anonimity is so valuable in life. If I'd won the lottery, no one would know unless the lottery people doxxed me on their website or something. And even then, if they publish my face or my name, no one would know how to find me. I have no friends and very few family members. I don't understand about this specific part people fear about winning the lottery. I mean, you can just choose to not tell anyone, and in the horrendous case they show you on the news, well, just use the money to relocate and change contact information.

But then, what would the happiness of that money be? Spending that money for relocating or changing contacts doesn't mean anything happy or enjoyable to do.

I would rather work hard, do the necessary rituals for money, accompanied by action like I have previously told you and then I would really benefit from a job employment opportunity, a better salary etc. and no one would know a single damn thing about me

 

[Mannimarco]

Hello all,

I am writing this post mainly to start working towards access to the library but also I would like to discuss with people in the know.

Why is it that manifestation, magick, occultism in general touches so little upon the topic of winning the lottery? It seems to me a sort of "taboo" has been established around gambling and lottery.

While reading "Pendulum Magic for Beginners" by Richard Webster I came accross a warning he makes to basically "not use this ability for gambling", in the book he touches upon the subject of horse racing, saying you should not use the pendulum to divine which horse is going to win, and that if you do, you will find negative consequences about you.

I've felt a general mood follows this topic in many occultist practices/knowledge, and I just don't understand why.

Is it because is not a "noble" endeavor? Does this even matter? Is that attaining money fast is a bad thing, while using the pendulum to, perhaps let's say, find your lost car keys is a good thing? (The author I mentioned earlier suggests this purpose as something you can do with Pendulum magic, but condems gambling and other things)

Specially I wonder about lottery winning. Our society is built around money, it is literally called CAPITALism. Money is the center of everything in human westernized society. Then there is a mechanism that allows for a few individuals to attain large amounts of money with very little investment, you buy a ticket for 3 bucks and you could receive a million. How is it that, in a capital centrist society, so few teachers touch upon the subject of winning the lottery which is one of the fastest methods of attaining wealth, while also involving minimal effort?

It just feels to me that such a simple and effective mechanism should be the center of more works in a society where money is the main subject.

The reasons for a general taboo, functioning in a broad and multi faceted community, are going to have multiple aspects. However, it would appear to me, that the primary creators and sustainers of this taboo are the usual critics, scoffers, and naysayers. You know, the same ones who attack anyone who tries to do anything even slightly new, or anyone who tries to achieve magickal results that are beyond what the scoffers can manifest. People who know that winning the lottery is hard, and that they can't do it, and so try to make themselves feel better about sucking by sabotaging anyone who might try. These people are everywhere, and this pattern plays out to one degree or another in every field of endeavour. A similar taboo situation exists with other lofty magickal goals, to varying degrees.

 

[embitca]

I appreciate the links to Jade's post and to The Sporting Life! Funny thing about Richard Webster is that he has a whole other market for other books that he writes for magicians. He has a lot of books on cold reading and doing psychic cold readings, etc. so it's doubtful he believes what he moralizes about in his books for the general new age audience, but he probably does believe in probability and the futility of trying to direct magic at the large lotteries due to the vast odds against winning.

Back in the 90s I knew this couple who in NYC who were scraping by without regular jobs by winning the smaller state lottos similar to the Massachusetts "The Numbers Game" which runs every day multiple times per day, and I think they also bet on horse racing and other things like that. They always claims that they got the numbers for the games psychically, but it was small wins frequently. Like $100 one day and $250 another in the same week. It seems like it could be possible at that level where the odds are much more favorable and the games themselves are statistically easier to have small frequent wins.

 

[Accipeveldare]

Hello all,

I am writing this post mainly to start working towards access to the library but also I would like to discuss with people in the know.

Why is it that manifestation, magick, occultism in general touches so little upon the topic of winning the lottery? It seems to me a sort of "taboo" has been established around gambling and lottery.

While reading "Pendulum Magic for Beginners" by Richard Webster I came accross a warning he makes to basically "not use this ability for gambling", in the book he touches upon the subject of horse racing, saying you should not use the pendulum to divine which horse is going to win, and that if you do, you will find negative consequences about you.

I've felt a general mood follows this topic in many occultist practices/knowledge, and I just don't understand why.

Is it because is not a "noble" endeavor? Does this even matter? Is that attaining money fast is a bad thing, while using the pendulum to, perhaps let's say, find your lost car keys is a good thing? (The author I mentioned earlier suggests this purpose as something you can do with Pendulum magic, but condems gambling and other things)

Specially I wonder about lottery winning. Our society is built around money, it is literally called CAPITALism. Money is the center of everything in human westernized society. Then there is a mechanism that allows for a few individuals to attain large amounts of money with very little investment, you buy a ticket for 3 bucks and you could receive a million. How is it that, in a capital centrist society, so few teachers touch upon the subject of winning the lottery which is one of the fastest methods of attaining wealth, while also involving minimal effort?

It just feels to me that such a simple and effective mechanism should be the center of more works in a society where money is the main subject.

Because "chance" is just a word people use when there is a cause and effect, but they didnt see the process. For example: You flip a coin. It lands on heads. Did it land there because of "chance"? No. It was not random. The way your fingers grazed the coin as you flipped it in the air, the trajectory you tossed it in, etc etc. Even if you did not see the cause of it landing on heads, it does not mean that cause and effect did not happen. Therefore, "chance" is a falicy.
I feel that the reason using magick for gambling would not be practical can be a double edged sword. On one end, if you know magick, cant you just make it simpler and open channels for money to flow to you other than gambling, and probably way simpler than gambling? On the other end, there could be a genuine reason why it is sketchy. I am not sure how to explain, but I could genuinely see it coming back on someone negatively.

 

[diskrete]

Great topic. For my point of view, the reason the same that guys like Jason Miller mean, then they say, "magic = infleuncing probabilities". So basically, he (and others) claim, that "improbable" things are impossible. But i think, the deeper reason is that what they call "magic" has "lost the magic", so to say. The entire magical tradition since the antiquity is about achieving the improbable (just read the Picatrix, the "munich necromancers" bok and such".

 

[LunaBat]

Something I find striking is that the people who win often (not always) frame their choice to buy a ticket as 'I got a random inkling and was at the 7/11 already, so I bought one.'

In other words, not people acting out of desperation or terrible need. I tend to agree that the primary barrier is simply that the probability is too big and complex to be manipulated effectively, but I think it's also that people who persistently play the lotto may develop a lust for results that acts as a barrier.