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Yes I am. I would love a blue haired emily making me knee before her feet but unfortunately it didn't happened yet. Perhaps I can law of attraction one or so.
Or you can just, again go to the original sources. The wiccans are still deceived by ego and Maya.
Please fuck off with that. If you believe there to be more than 2 genders or whatever you are delusional.
You are born into a body that is either female or male.
And dont give me that sex/ gender crap and hang yourself up on it. Only english has this.
And this stupid analogy and habit of differentiating between it now. only because it burrowed the same word twice, once from the saxon and once from the french language. Other languages dont even have this. Only yours does.
The soul has no gender because otherwise it couldn't be the soul. Your soul, spirit and the soil gave you either a female of male body. You most likely even chose your gender anyway before being born. Perhaps in your next life you will be your "preferred gender".
Oh and if instead of taking hrt made by pfizer trannies did some meditation they would find this out themselves too. They can even larp being inside an actual body of their "preferred gender" instead of mutilating the one they currently have. They wont have it long anyway.
I would also rather be a woman so I can make money selling pictures of my arsehole and feet to incels online and manipulate betas, but I'm born as a man (a proper one at that) and its one of my duties to realise myself as such. Everyone who thinks different and is a tranny unironically fell victim to an egregore and serve the eternal jew.
Whew there's a lot to unpack here. You really just said all that.
Honestly, a lot of people have this issue of conflating "folk tradition" as "Wicca/witchcraft" simply because it's easier to lump all neo-paganism into the same umbrella when discussing it (to be fair a lot of wiccans do appropriate folk craft and that makes it harder to actually differentiate the crafts). There's also the whole "trifold goddess" group which is basically just Christianity but God's a woman.
Yes I am. I would love a blue haired emily making me knee before her feet but unfortunately it didn't happened yet. Perhaps I can law of attraction one or so.
I would also rather be a woman so I can make money selling pictures of my arsehole and feet to incels online and manipulate betas, but I'm born as a man (a proper one at that) and its one of my duties to realise myself as such.
I don't believe I ever mentioned my views on the subject; I just don't see how your political views are relevant here, especially considering how trad-Wicca is built around their being two genders. Again, I think you are attacking the wrong label.
Frankly, I couldn't care less what your political views are. I'm here for ritual, insights into praxis and to refine my toolbox.
You are born into a body that is either female or male.
Gender means a kind or variant within a larger classification. It is related to the word genre. Clearly we are talking about biological kinds to which I've already agreed with you. Gender roles refer to kinds of roles informed by biological gender and social expectations. It is also very possible for the brain to develope one way and the body to develope the other way which can lead to complexities of gender identity, and that's just looking at intersex biology, we haven't even touched individual psychology.
Problem is, the universities and colleges, instead of being specific to which level they are applying the word gender to, are trying to change the default already established usage of the word. They seem to think they have a right to piss people off, or impose their definitions on everyone else. Universities should teach multiple and conflicting schools of thought for the merit of learning, but they should not be involved in culture wars.
And this stupid analogy and habit of differentiating between it now. only because it burrowed the same word twice, once from the saxon and once from the french language. Other languages dont even have this. Only yours does.
Either way what I've said here still remains true in the Latin usage so I'm not sure what you are going on about.
The soul has no gender because otherwise it couldn't be the soul. Your soul, spirit and the soil gave you either a female of male body. You most likely even chose your gender anyway before being born. Perhaps in your next life you will be your "preferred gender".
I. If by Soul you mean the eternal animating principal that is not biological but which being entangled with the mortal body is conditioned thereby in its experience then...yes, I agree..the soul has no gender.
II. I don't by the "everyone chose their life before incarnation bullshit", which has led to some very horrible cast systems which have been used to justify human suffering.
III. You would do well to look into 'intersex' and 'chimeras'.
Oh and if instead of taking hrt made by pfizer trannies did some meditation they would find this out themselves too.
They can even larp being inside an actual body of their "preferred gender" instead of mutilating the one they currently have. They wont have it long anyway.
I don't find a risky surgical procedure to be the best way to deal with body dismorphia but you know what? - that doesn't matter because it's not my body and I'm not fucking them. Why do you even care so much?
It has shit all to do with Wicca, this thread or how you choose to live your life.
I would also rather be a woman so I can make money selling pictures of my arsehole and feet to incels online and manipulate betas,
Dude I've interacted with you for less than half a day and I already can't stand you. What exactly is proper about you?
You read into posts, getting yourself all hit and bothered and showed yourself to be the asshole you want to photograph so badly. I really don't think anybody cares about your sexual insecurities.
Everyone who thinks different and is a tranny unironically fell victim to an egregore and serve the eternal jew.
When you get down and dirty with it, aren't allpractices bs? Even if the system was "dictated" by a higher power, or old asf it's still just a human doing the work here in the shit.
Systems made out of thin air, cultures and symbols are shaped out of mud. Every practice has its normies and braindead, the Wicca complained about are esoteric mud-folk, people who begin and end at their body-minds and don't know any better because they haven't done the out-of-practice work to even know there is an esoteric side to it. They're blind folk reaching at fairytales.
It's not the system, wording, or symbols that matters, it's the belief and kindled flame that results within the individual.
Plus Wicca is unfortunately very easy to market, so much to be complained about just comes from the work of the greedy, and not the genuine
It's probably dang hard to generalize about Wiccans anyway given the loose "organization." For a lot of folks, Wicca is an accessible way station. I never called myself a Wiccan, but I started looking into paganism and magick via a few Wiccan books I picked up browsing. I guess you could say I picked up a somewhat congenial vibe from the material and this led to things that "fit" better. Wicca is probably interlarded with some b.s., sure. But I've picked bugs out of flour before and used what was left over.
Popularity deteriorates every damned thing.
That's why occultist traditions and practices should be in fact occult. As in, not being mentioned in platforms that are made for creating trends and viral content, not being told out loud for everyone to listen. Then it gets lame, full of idiots, banal and superficial, and everyone starts complaining about it.
This is starting to happen with Goetia. Soon enough their retardation is going to infect even the most unforgiving and dense Daemon's egregore. The collective's power to dumb things down is unmatched.
I don't participte much, but ill give it a go at this.
Wicca, as with anything that becomes "trendy", became stained, poisoned and corrupted... Anything that becomes "popular" eventually loses its identity, it's purpose, its soul, even if Wicca was indeed "created" with more sinister purpose.
When overused, words, symbols, songs, scents, lose their meaning, they become mundane, become just mud on the sole of a shoe!
It's like tattooing nordic runes, or the Ahnk, etc., because little Timmy went to Coachella and it was the most amazing thing, and he had to get that tattoo to remember that trip... What the hell does he know about that particular symbol? Not much, and some of us see those guys with that tattoo and we actually roll our eyes at the sight of that, but that sacred symbol, or that rune, Timmy doesn't care, doesn't give a damn about it's magic purpose, it's trendy, everyone is doing it, and to Timmy that was just the eternal memory of getting wasted at Coachella...
Everything looses it's essence...
I believe, for instance, that it's currently still trendy and totally "wiked" being pagan, because Hekate, Taranis, or Thor, totally spoke to me that one time i fell on the bathroom wasted with my dick out of the trousers.
Reading some stuff in places like reddit will give you a pretty good idea!
The fake positivity and those super positive experiences, are sometimes disturbing, because that Anubis fellow totally helped Susy and guided the soul of Bob her beloved Labrador to the afterlife, all she had to do was pray to him for 2 mins, and he totally listened.
There is a crisis I believe, a crisis of purpose... That lack of purpose, and essentially lack of adversity, having everything handed to you, by society or whatever, creates mindless husks searching for effortless instant meaning and enlightenment.
Yeah,I get the rock thing, because placing them in my windowsill will unlock their magical powers, and make me find the love of my life, right? But then again, don't people use little sticks to draw imaginary circles, don't they use metal tools used to cut bread and fruit as a magic implement? Pretty goofy ain't it? How can a piece of wood be magical? Or a piece of metal?
Then again some of those rocks are key components in electronics, essencial for maintaining certain functions because they vibrate at certains frequencies...
I think, that essencially anything can have power, anything can have purpose or meaning, because it depends, on the person, on what one does, on the "ritual"... because it's all in our head!
Popularity deteriorates every damned thing.
That's why occultist traditions and practices should be in fact occult. As in, not being mentioned in platforms that are made for creating trends and viral content, not being told out loud for everyone to listen. Then it gets lame, full of idiots, banal and superficial, and everyone starts complaining about it.
This is starting to happen with Goetia. Soon enough their retardation is going to infect even the most unforgiving and dense Daemon's egregore. The collective's power to dumb things down is unmatched.
What does it really mean if an occultist tradition gets popular though? If some type of magickal practice becomes "watered down" through popularity it probably wasn't that powerful in the first place. Everything "esoteric" eventually reaches mainstream at one point in time, and it's not even like wicca was the first to become trendy.
What does it really mean if an occultist tradition gets popular though? If some type of magickal practice becomes "watered down" through popularity it probably wasn't that powerful in the first place. Everything "esoteric" eventually reaches mainstream at one point in time, and it's not even like wicca was the first to become trendy.
A comparison with the martial arts might be useful. A guy who trained a handful of students who lived with him as de facto servant/retainers as well as students, and who trained them 6 hours a day or more probably turned out pretty skilled martial artists. Fast forward to Bodacious Bubba's Academy of Moo Duk Kwan Do franchise with "guaranteed black belt" programs and 16 different colors of belts (promotion in three months guaranteed!). One rightly has doubts as to McDojo's quality. I seriously doubt the guy at the tradition's well-spring "wasn't that powerful to begin with." One could draw a similar analogy between Rome at the time of, say, Trajan and the Rome of Romulus Augustus (the last Western Emperor.)
The vigor of youth can scarcely be criticized for eventual senescence of a tradition.
A comparison with the martial arts might be useful. A guy who trained a handful of students who lived with him as de facto servant/retainers as well as students, and who trained them 6 hours a day or more probably turned out pretty skilled martial artists. Fast forward to Bodacious Bubba's Academy of Moo Duk Kwan Do franchise with "guaranteed black belt" programs and 16 different colors of belts (promotion in three months guaranteed!). One rightly has doubts as to McDojo's quality. I seriously doubt the guy at the tradition's well-spring "wasn't that powerful to begin with." One could draw a similar analogy between Rome at the time of, say, Trajan and the Rome of Romulus Augustus (the last Western Emperor.)
The vigor of youth can scarcely be criticized for eventual senescence of a tradition.
Yes but the original dojo still exists, it was never fully replaced. Likewise the original traditions exist and they'll never be ruined because a more palatable mainstream practice appears. Cheap knock offs appear all the time, it's never been new.
Yes but the original dojo still exists, it was never fully replaced. Likewise the original traditions exist and they'll never be ruined because a more palatable mainstream practice appears. Cheap knock offs appear all the time, it's never been new.
Still exists? Traditions die out all the time. Or (one hopes) go underground. That does not change the fact that popularizing a skill often debases it. Not always. The skilled use of firearms use seems to have flourished in recent decades. I suppose the key factor is probably the motives of the masters. When it comes to magick, the bag is mixed indeed. Which might be a weed-out test in itself: how to spot a mage worth following.
What does it really mean if an occultist tradition gets popular though? If some type of magickal practice becomes "watered down" through popularity it probably wasn't that powerful in the first place. Everything "esoteric" eventually reaches mainstream at one point in time, and it's not even like wicca was the first to become trendy.
Egregores, collective conscious, noosphere, these are all things (maybe the same thing), my friend. Occultism must be occult for many reasons. There's no such thing as a completely closed circuit in magic. If your practice become banal, you will eventually have to fall into the necessity of having faith in your specific thing rather than enforcing will. Because you will be facing interference, and lots of it.
Have you ever wondered why secret esoteric cults can reach higher levels of realization, while massive cults like mainstream religions are used as means to manage and maintain mediocrity?
Vessel magic is basic and ancient.
Vessels contain and amplify power.
Vessels transmute through fermentation.
I don't personally like to bring wombs into things but womb symbolism is very very old and part of probably every culture on earth.
Extremely obvious why people might think putting a magical "seed" such as a petition into a vessel would bring forth a result.
Think also of the Holy Grail and Cerridwen's Cauldron, or even the Strega Nona folktales (like the sorcerer's apprentice but based around a magical vessel).
The vessel is as primal a magical symbol as the wand - maybe even older, though both are so old it'd be hard to prove it.
Pretty much everything is a recent fad compared to silly little spell jars.
I think, that essentially anything can have power, anything can have purpose or meaning, because it depends, on the person, on what one does, on the "ritual"... because it's all in our head!
This is why I try not to slag off any magical system. If people have taken the time to work on it, and it works for them, then it is just as effective as any other system.
Things don't have intrinsic meanings, because 'meaning' is a human thing.
I disagree, although for human and social rather than cosmic or supernatural reasons. Sociologists have discovered that a person's social peers have many times the impact upon his/her life than a person has upon the lives of those in his/her social circle, and it makes eminent sense that the collectivity of all those around one would have far more impact upon one than one would have, as one among many others, upon each of the many individuals around one. When a person treats a fellow member in a common social circle well and it becomes known, either from observation by others within the common circle or from the recipient of that kindness publicly acknowledging it to other circle members, the other members of that common social circle are more predisposed to be kinder and more generous with the well-treater, anticipating that greater association with such a person could well augur to their benefit. Conversely, when a person treats a fellow member of a social circle poorly and that becomes known, either through observation by others in the common circle or from complaints voiced by the recipient of the ill treatment to common circle members, the other members of that common social circle are more disposed to be less kind and generous with the ill-treater, or even to shun him/her entirely in the interests of self-protection. Those collective positive or negative reciprocal actions would in most cases affect their destination (the original well-or-ill-treater) much more than the original action, since it only came from one source, would affect its target. I'm not certain that the standard default multiple here would be three, but it's a decent ancient guestimate, IMO.
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At its root, Wicca is a religion of the Earth, not the Heavens, so it should be understood immanently, not transcendently. Rather than being supernatural, Wicca is very much natural, even though many who call themselves Wiccans deeply misunderstand this. It falls squarely under the law of cause and effect, and its magickal practices are therefore empirically rooted, although their empirical roots are not widely understood. As an example, I will offer naturalistic explanations for the twin springs of magick (and I add the k to distinguish magickal practice from the David Copperfield type illusion and misdirection entertainment) , divination and spellcasting, having to do with knowing and doing, respectively.
(1) Divination
Long ago, before the vocation was polyfurcated into medical doctor and psychologist and social worker, when the tribe had a problem, they would bring it to their shaman. (S)he would listen to the concerned and involved parties explain what comprised the problem, then would enter into a trance state by one or more of many means (mantra (chanting), mandala (single-point concentration), mudra (rhythmic dancing), tantra (sexual stimulation), soma (psychedelics), fasting, etc.). While in trance the shaman would ask the question the answer to which would solve the tribal problem. When (s)he returned from his/her journeyings, (s)he would pronounce a remedial course of action, not just for the afflicted one(s) to follow, but for the whole tribe to jointly pursue. This still happens today among preliterate aboriginal tribes, and more and more among e-literate and postmodern NeoPagans. But what is really happening here? To get an insight, we turn to past artifacts and the testimony of contemporary shamans. The cave paintings in Lascaux France, the !Kung tribal paintings in Africa, the rock carvings of the Australian aboriginal Dreamtime People, Tibetan mandalas, Zuni sand paintings, all separated by thousands of miles and years, contain a common thread. There are depictions of their native ecologies and societies (the !Kung paintings include trees with horizontal leaf patterns, elephants and giraffes, the Lascaux cave frescoes include mastodons and bison, etc.), but they all include certain common geometric patterns. The Grid. The Zig-Zag. The River S. The Concentric Circles. Why, separated by thousands of miles and years, should these common patterns continually manifest themselves?
Psychology calls them endoptic forms. They are hard-wired into the human visual apparatus, and are thought to relate to the shadows which capillaries cast upon the retina. If you close your eyes and press on the outside corners of your eyes, you can invoke them. But the question remains, what do these have to do with shamanic divination? When we sleep, truths which we wakingly deny or overlook come to us in the imagistic language of dreams. There is a gating mechanism of the hippocampus of the midbrain which paralyzes our will so that we will not will to move in our dreams and hurt or reveal ourselves (sleepwalking phenomena prove that this mechanism is not flawless). This mechanism may be overridden by sonic or somatic driving in a particular frequency, (dancing, chanting or rhythmic dancing) or by entering a state of altered awareness (fasting, mandalic concentration and psychedelics). In such a condition, an experienced shaman may wilfully direct waking dreams, and properly interpret the imagery confronted, much as an experienced lucid dreamer is able to do with actual dreams.
When first entering the trance and looking inward, they would first see the cognitively archetypical endoptic patterns; deeper in they would access and experience the ecosocial imagery in which they would seek their answers. This is the first appearance of the use of the brain as one would a computer, maximizing access to all that one actually has learned and (if only subliminally) knows through the long span of one's life, rather than merely what one might remember. The modern shamanic uses of indole alkaloids (LSD, mescaline, psilocybin and all the rest) are, when they are used for exploration rather than mere entertainment, instances of the same phenomenon.
(2) Spellcasting
Spellcasting can be done repetitively by individuals or singly by a group. A coven gathers and agrees upon a common and specific goal to be achieved; then they start "raising energy", as you call it (it is really a process of activating emotions) theough a combination of dancing (usually circular or spiral and repetitive, and most commonly around a common bonfire), chanting (what is desired to happen), and drumming (to co-ordinate and focus the group). When the collective emotion is at its peak, the priest(ess), by shouting "So Mote It Be!" or some other symbolic trigger phrase, signals the members of the coven to simultaneously launch their collective wills toward the realization of the common desire. Whether or not something "really" soars through the apex of the "Cone of [emotional] Power" and physically effects things in the world is beside the point; everyone in the coven has just engaged in a mutually supporting act of mass imprinting. When they return to their (generally shared) social milieu, their actions are adumbrated in both overt and subliminal ways toward the realization of the group purpose. All these little differences sooner or later usher in the "butterfly effect" (as in chaos theory) where due to SDIC (Sensitive Dependence upon Initial Conditions), these little differences snowball into an social avalanche, carrying the goal to completion, and "magick happens." When this imprinting is a solitary and self-programmed practice, it just takes more persistence and repetition.
Addendum: Notice that divination is usually practiced by a single person, whereas spellcasting is practiced by both singles and groups. This is because a group can choose to have their wills voluntarily channeled for a single purpose, but cannot be instructed in advance to arrive at identical answers to a question; if the answer were known in advance in order to permit such instruction, there would be no need for the divinatory working. A multiplicity of differing answers to a question would only serve to confuse, not to guide subsequent actions based upon answers received. As Segal's Law trenchantly reminds us, a man with one watch knows what time it is, a man with two watches is never sure.
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A Note on the Relation between Eclectic Wicca and Chaos Magick
Whereas both Eclectic Wicca and Chaos Magick cheerfully steal anything that they find will work for them from any arena they encounter, Eclectic Wicca imports what it appropriates into the Wiccan cosmology and paradigm, tweaking both the appropriated material and the receiving paradigm for comfortable mutual fit. Chaos Magick, on the other hand, adopts a metaposition of scepticism of all magickal claims, yet its practitioners master a multiplicity of magickal systems. When they have chosen a magickal task they wish to perform or a magickal goal they desire to realize, they choose from among these systems the one that seems to be most conducive to and simpatico with their chosen task or goal; they then suspend their metaposition of disbelief for the duration of the magickal working, and reassume their metaposition at their working's conclusion. They thus employ belief as another magicak tool in their toolbox, to be used when warranted, then put aside when they are done with it. However, as happens with all magickal systems, Chaos Magick is beginning to assemble its own collection of doctrinal accretions, among them servitors (individual thought-forms), egregores (group thought-forms), and sigils (a method to subconsciously imprint goals and purposes).
for myself TipToeChick aka Dolores Chapman who passed away in 2018 was my gateway to clear up questions i had about wicca.
Her channel for myself has gems in it I like how she explained many subjects i never heard of like the witch's pyramid
1. to know 2.to will 3.to dare 4.to keep silent . one of her youtube vids about the witch's pyramid linked below
