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Pixel42;13769868 said:The definition of magic is something that contradicts the observed laws of physics. The Big Bang does not contradict the observed laws of physics, in fact it was deduced from them. So you are, once again, about as wrong as it is possible to be.
I was not referring to the event as the magic, but to the idea that everything was contained within something so small that it almost doesn't exist.
Pixel42;13770696 said:That is the "lie to children" version. It does not remotely describe the physics.
From what I can gather - what you mean is that it is the mythological version told to those who do not know how to read the math.
Pixel42;13770816 said:I'd define it as saying something you know is not true, regardless of intent, in which case this qualifies, but I agree it's arguable. A quick check of online dictionaries shows some include the "in order to mislead/deceive" qualifier and some don't. But it doesn't really matter, it's clear what the coiners of the phrase mean by it, and I think it's an important point - at least on this forum, where those who fail to grasp it regularly start or contribute to threads like this one.
If I started this thread because of a mythology told to those who otherwise cannot grasp the math, then it is up to those who make the claim to expand on the mythology in a manner that best represents the math.
I myself am fine with whatever the facts are, magical or otherwise...for my part I am just showing how it is easy to glance behind the curtain and see other possibilities which explain the evidence in a manner that one can understand follows the observed rules of physics and I do so on the grounds that whatever birthed this universe can be observed in the physics of this universe - as in the Mother is observed in the Child...patterns within patterns...
Furthermore, it was no accident that I called the thread "The Seed of Origin" as representative of the Object which [allegedly] existed prior to the Object exploding [germinating] to become the Subject.
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William: The information unfolding reveals a type of mirror reflection of what created the information contained within the Seed of Origin.
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William: Yes - the link leads to an old thread about an even older event sequence which describes a device I used which turned out to be something which helped me solve mysteries.
What the indestructible quality we are, is - consciousness.
This realization binds the individuate consciousness with the overall consciousness and the overall consciousness cannot be truthfully defined as either 'non-existence' or dressed up in the garb of religious belief systems. The Absolute
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One quick caution on the question: what data stream does AUM get? Is he aware of us?
The question carries an implicit assumption that AUM is a separate thing relative to us. If you think of us being AUM and AUM being us, that shines a different light on it. AUM doesn’t necessarily live in its own little separate corner of reality from which he can visit the little people when he wants to. AUM is a metaphor for the abstract concept of a Larger Consciousness System (LCS). We PMR bound humans require our metaphors to be separate from us in function and perception (an individual) because we are separate individuals with independent perceptions and cannot conceive of an aware being as being anything else -- but it is our specific PMR rule set that makes us separate and independent. AUM is not bound by such a rule set.
Metaphors such as AUM are absolutely necessary, otherwise we could not speak to each other, but do not lose sight that the reality behind the metaphor is beyond our comprehension in terms of our PMR experience. Although giving independent attributes and functions to AUM does indeed further our ability as a group of individuals to conceive and understand the Larger Consciousness System , do not wander so far down that path as speculating on detailed separate PMR human-like characteristics (such as what is in AUM's private data stream), that you get lost in meaningless specificity of characteristics that lie beyond the necessary logical function of AUM. To burden the concept of AUM (the Larger Consciousness System) with our own belief system places logically unnecessary constraint (a belief trap) upon the concept and its metaphor -- thus muddying the water rather than clearing it.
Better to just live with uncertainty and remain open minded and skeptical than to specify out of habit and belief (it must be that way, how else could it be?) what is un-specifiable. Details unnecessary to the logical exposition just clutter the result.
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William: Makes sense. Like how this personality worded it...
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William: "Strangely" enough, this was a comment made in reply to what I had written;
The evidence is not being questioned. What is being questioned has to do with the interpretation of the evidence, which leads to the magical notions of an infinitesimal object existing which contains everything which exists, and spews that into itself and in doing so, expands and becomes the universe we currently observe.
It is all very well to honestly state that we don't know where such an object came from, but is it honest to claim that such an object actually ever existed and did what the theories claim, when there are other ways in which to interpret the evidence which do not require such magical notions by way of explaining/interpreting the evidence?
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William: Consciousness 'fits into the gaps' naturally enough. It is only a 'problem' if non-theists regard consciousness as like unto 'God'.... so it would not do to understand consciousness as being part of the information released with the physical matter at the Big Bang, because it is a 'ghost in the machine' and thinking that the universe is a conscious entity implies "God"...
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William: From the link;
A genuine relationship with The Creator, is worth so much more than a relationship with a religious artifact, wouldn't you agree?
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