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If you want to soak in the collective energies of misguided people of the past, then the bible is your gateway to that. As well various beings hostile to humans are quite happy to see these religions infest the species.
Well nowadays for me it's heavily a book of magick and public magickal workings + the story of at least two Jewish miracle workers the last one possibly ending up as an "Ascended Master" (not that I'm invested in that term, except to be brief ...)
I don't want to read any of the stories or believe in any creator deity but there is one thing I want to take away from these stories and thats to care for your enemy.
Thats it. Its the one thing I want to believe because what else is there. Growing up everyone acted like an an enemy to me.
If I stopped caring for them then who would be left. No one. I can't accept that. I don't care who Jesus is. I just know thing. Rome may have muddled whatever was taught but not that.
I just want to live another day. I never read the bible fully just the kids version and not even that fully but thats the one thing I want to take from it.
But its also a point of isolation to me. I don't know what the heck is up with Jesus and I never learned.
I don't want to read any of the stories or believe in any creator deity but there is one thing I want to take away from these stories and thats to care for your enemy.
Thats it. Its the one thing I want to believe because what else is there. Growing up everyone acted like an an enemy to me.
If I stopped caring for them then who would be left. No one. I can't accept that. I don't care who Jesus is. I just know thing. Rome may have muddled whatever was taught but not that.
I just want to live another day. I never read the bible fully just the kids version and not even that fully but thats the one thing I want to take from it.
But its also a point of isolation to me. I don't know what the heck is up with Jesus and I never learned.
Yessss.... I forgave those who have done me wrong. At the end of the day, they are me, and I am them. I can't hate on others because they are me. No point at all.
I read the story of David from the bible a bit and the prophet character of Samuel was a real one. I read the wiki a bit and he tells people to not have kings which yeah.
Then no one listens to him gets from yahweh? I guess? that its an era of kings and just has to roll with it. He just has to role with it being the age of kings even though probably prefers democracy or something or the system they had before?
Then has to go through all the slog to get Saul in anyway then then Saul turns out to be bad. Not a good king and this is all when he's old? Like he already had two adult sons how old is this man.
Then theres David oh look its David. And does he even want to be king? But its his heart or soul or eh? So now has to convince a furious Saul after all of this that he's fine. Thats he is fine and should be king but Saul still doesn't agree. Then also grieves Saul losing favor and its a whole thing.
Then after finally finding peace he gets summoned from his death thing and its not cool. Let the old man sleep. Why are they summoning him again. Let that man sleep. If I were Samuel I would be aggravated too after having to deal with all that when he's like 30-40 to 70 or 80 maybe? Maybe lower thats an estimate.
Everything is just annoying me right now and the story of Samuel is like yeah yeah he's a real one. But to some not a story to me its an I don't know and I don't care to know.
To be quite honest, I truly can't stand the Bible. Ever since, I learned that the God of the Bible wanted people to worship him and only him. Everything else, is blasphemous against him. But then again, the Bible is a myth. I really feel that Jesus is an Egregore.
To me, the Bible is a collection of syncretized stories.
It’s the foundation of over 90% of today’s modern occult. Without it, most modern systems wouldn’t exist. Enochian (which I don’t personally consider occult), Solomonic magick, Thelema, Left-Hand Path currents, hell, even Satanism itself are all downstream of it.
The Bible, both Old and New Testament, is so deeply embedded in modern culture that most people don’t even realize how much of their worldview comes from it. Concepts like good and evil, heaven and hell? Sure, those go back to Zoroaster, but the Israelites took that polarity and went fucking nuclear with it.
Goetic demons? Most are spirits and deities from conquered or rival pantheons, rebranded for control. Demonization is colonization by another name.
Very little in the Bible is truly original. It’s built on older, deeper stories taken, rearranged, and weaponized.
It is subtly embedded in our culture. Yes, it is ao true.
In addition, I see Netany*hu as the world's "dybbuk" and/or "supercomputer".
If you have heard about "game theory" then this guy is the first villain & superhero in its workings.
He is why we all have bad daya and can never get ahead in life while he bathes in gold and fornicates at his leisure whenever with whoever strikes his fancy
I agree the bible tries to be heterosexual and fails everytime. It fails. Its not. The straight people try to pass it off as so straight. Its not. Its really not.
Let me share with you how I think the bible is queer coded. I have been waiting patiently for this moment to explain this on the internet.
First off. Christianity originally oppressed religeon. Oppressed then after years became not. Psalms with David talk about David expierencing oppression. About this one big king diety helps all the oppressed or something.
You know who else is oppressed. Not straight people. First exhibit.
Exhibit B.
Adam. Adam can with assistance create people but is also a man. Gender and Assisgned one at birth up in the air to me atleast.
Exhibit C.
The original sources of texts written in Aramiac, Greek, and Hebrew. Greek people were usually not shy about being gay. I don't know about the other languages but the verses pulled condemning gay people also some people point out may have been mistranslations.
Exhibit D.
Even if they weren't. These verses give off how the most homophobic may be the most gay. If your straight you default probably don't care that much. Just don't think about it.
My headcanon if its not a mistranslation which it probably is someone went through a bad breakup. A bad gay breakup.
Exhibit E.
Non-traditional types of masculinity presented. David is a harp player thats like kind of feminine maybe back then they may not have seen that way though maybe they did. I don't know. Wide range of masculine types that might not have fit with traditional stereotypes of the day. Not conforming
Exhibit F.
Priesthood/being a nun. You live alone not married with people of the same gender. C'mon. If you didn't want to get married the straight way but also wanted a job then there it was. I've read the history on this and yeah there was a queer community there.
Exhibit G.
The origins. Mesopotamia probably accepting of gay people. Gilgamesh and Enkidu the most famous story can be easily interpreted through a queer lens. I think they get married kind of. Also old gods have weird relationships with gender.
Also Bible might have cross cultural origins with Hinduism since both have a trinity of sorts so Indo-Greek-European trade may have affected it somewhat. Christianity trinity difference since all of them equal whereas Hinduism has like one being higher than the rest.
Exhibit H.
Angels being without gender. Thats a thing with people too that are not angels. Its called Agender.
Exhibit I.
Its a multicultural mixed landscape of amny cultures and places and times. Gay people existed throughout all those times. It has to be a little I think.
Thats my reasoning. Thank you for coming to my Bible is not as straight as one might think speech.
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Forgot to explain Hinduism. In Hinduism in part of it I think I heard of legend with Agni and Soma who are both male and in a relationship I think. They are the fire diety and the moon deity respectively. So with those respective influences maybe? Idk
Also the other point about Non-traditional types of masculinity doesn't mean your inherently gay but is under the term gender non conforming which is with queer community. Its a whole thing.
Also in Bible may have a tell don't show approach to queer relationships since may have still been persecuted through those times? Maybe? I don't know for sure though. Its been a whole thing about subtext being a thing.
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Wait no meant show dont tell approach in its writing but thats Idk for sure.
IMPORTANT: when i say satan i mean christians and by christians i mean satan
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I forgot to mention how "laying on of hands" is translated as arresting people.
"Test the Spirits" translates to letting those who are lost (unbeliever) to stay lost so they can give satan a scapegoat and a podium to stay in power.
"Kingdom of God is not of words but of power" translates to slander being the main weapon the devil uses to keep his enemies at bay. Satan controls the press & writes history. Therefore, the true power lies in whoever controls the press & the narrative.
Conclusion?
We are no longer in the church age -that's for sure.
Maybe just need a place to go to say stuff thats not judged. Maybe thats why g-d can become a psychological need for those that are oppressed.
I've found through therapy if your oppressed enough then therapists can be cruel. Like your emotions are a problem to be solved instead of something to be processed through.
Getting too wrapped in emotions can lead to just not doing anything which happened to me. But you know given my circumstances I think that was a fair response.
I just went through consistent trauma for a period of time. Family just absent for a period then go to a new place. Understand nothing and just have to learn everything the hard way.
Then after months of toiling, days spent trying to find a good friends. An endless journey of trying to gain some safe socialization only to be stopped because apparently I'm too much.
Then after that toil, that struggle, that trying to find somewhere. And it was amazing space filled with people under similar circumstances such as I.
Only then some man walks into that space, determines I'm bad for it, manipulates me by sending people they are asscioated with them I think? To cause me to lose it a bit. So that I can just leave that space forever because I'm bad or something. It had to have been for a youtube prank
Now people are saying I can't be saved. What cruelty is this? I toiled for that bit of safety, of fun. Then it gets ripped away because ?????
I didn't do practically do anything. Heck I practically haven't done much in this life either. It was my safety. I thought after all that toil and work and something meant I got the community that I longed for. But nooooooooooooo noooooo I can't have nice things apparently.
As the meme goes can't have sh#t in detroit.
I'm going to be even kinder just out of pure spite. Maybe the whatever wants to be mean but eff em.
A simple question, it should be interesting to see what people say. Without revealing too much, what is your interpretation of what the BIBLE is?
To me, the bible is a record of what happened in the past whereby the God who created the Universe (Yaldabaoth) was subdued by some Earthly magicians in some ritual. In this ritual, the God of creation is made into a man so that he can be killed. Jesus then, is the God of the Old Testament who was incarnated through ritual magic, for the sake of magical POWER.
I have other specific beliefs which I am happy to discuss, but I want to hear what people know!
For me, I have never grown up with the Bible or Christianity being prevalent in my life so when I discovered it, it became of great interest to me as it was very different from what I knew.
My current conclusion is that ultimately the Bible was written by man, whether or not it may have originally channeled the teachings of God, the history is extremely messy. The Old Testament I think is the most difficult to digest in the modern age, and the New Testament has some really good teachings but generally ignored. I have found those who are devout Christians tend to project their own biases onto the book rather than the actual context and what the passages reveal. I think the way individuals will reinterpret it to enforce hatred or beliefs unwilling upon others was the cause of my current dissonance and fading interest of the Bible - to me, it represents corruption of works passed through human hands now. But I really respect and admire occultists who can push through that way of thinking and re-use it as a tool of magick.
As it stands, I feel it up to the individual and whether their biases will cloud their usage of the book.
To me, it is not a sacred book but can be insightful and reinterpreted to be used in spellwork or to inspire oneself as the imagery provided is very strong.
But as of the moment, I do not feel called to use it in my rituals or to push through my dissonance in order to reinterpret it to work for me. I feel there are many other books, sacred or not, that can be better used for spellwork purposes honestly.
The bible, to me, is nothing more than a power play used by elites to control the populace. It is a book of contradictions and phallasies. However, i do sympathiize with the jesus quote "Pull the log out of your own eye before you pull the twig out of anothers"
From the parallels with Mithra (walking on water, sharing a, virgin birth birth, 12 disciples, and 3-day resurrection) to how that god with the horrible misogynistic and bigoted personality, a true psychotic sky Santa (knows when you are sleeping, and bad or good, will throw you in hell but you have free will) that changes personality like Jekyll and Hyde, depending on who is in contact with it and who is granted the powers it supplies (that no longer exist in ANY of the multiple branches that it has produced) to the division and hate spewing from all Abrahamic cults?
That horrible book of lies and deceit?
You folks realize that Moses was a very evil Egyptian warlord conqueror? Suddenly he runs into the aliens on the mountain and continues to murder the firstborn innocents with the powers this evil turd of a god grants him?
You realize that one of his "prophets" cursed young boys for making fun of his bald head, and they were then mauled to death by a bear?
Shall I go on about how wicked and horrible this pile of shite is?
Every single bit of this sick and twisted mess is just rotten to the core and my entire being pukes all over it.
It condones slavery, bigotry, war, genocide, misogyny, and then tries to top it off with some love thy neighbor twist. What part of this makes the drink my blood and eat my flesh cannibal BS ok?
Still, all that blood drinking and flesh eating, and nobody can do anything of value, no powers, just a bunch of twisted people trying to force this brainwashed cult down other people's throats with the threat of violence.
This is the den of demons, if there ever was one, and it is all the Abrahamic cults that are the demon egregores.
These MF's burned and hung witches and anyone they didn't approve of, using this sick book of lies to try and justify this obvious mental health problem. And where was god or Jesus during any of the horrible times? Where were the powers? Just murder people for 400 years here, and 200 years there, with zero consequence. No intervention. No amazing god of love striking down the evil. Just millions of people murdered for whatever cult nonsense this fake book is puking on the gullible.
If people dug up a copy of "Stranger in a Strange Land" by Robert A. Heinlein, 2,000 years from now, they would likely create a religion from it and everyone would be busy arguing about what true Martian language is, and how to achieve the powers of Michael Valentine Smith.
These bible books were not originally together, and were put together by people trying to control other people. The Qumran caves (near the Dead Sea) and other locations like the "Cave of Horror" were spots where copies of early old testament stories were found. Stories, not facts.
The entire old testament is Jewish, and based on the Torah, but it isn't a copy of the Torah at all, and the order of those books is different than the Torah, and contain other materials. So, at best, this fake bible is a poser, a manipulated copy of another religion's documents, a polluted version that doesn't even follow the original religion or belief system.
The Catholic church went on to control politics and run Europe for a very long time, applying such evil forces that the Nazi's looked like amateurs. Over 400 years of destroying anyone that opposed them and taking their wealth and property. Now we know that they also have hundreds of years of pedophiles that they simply tried to cover up. Where was god during any of that? Approving? They also have bible books that other's don't, and are hiding materials and manuscripts under the Vatican like they get to control what the public is allowed to see. What an evil bunch of child molesting liars. The ONLY reason they have any power is because of violence and murder, oppression, fear, and control.
There is no power in this fake nonsense book, or the teachings. The only power is the belief of all the sheep it attracts that are mainly afraid of going to hell, or so ignorant that they can't put common sense together and see how confused and damaging this cult is. The power is brainwashing and manipulation of the weak.
Sure, an egregore or two, big deal. A murder, hate and division egregore obviously has the USA by the balls at the moment. This is what happens when you allow garbage religions and their nasty fake books to influence an ignorant population of haters.
Biblical Hebrew OT is an ancient localized attempt to understand spiritual experiences and the universe through their primitive understanding of the natural world while consolidating tribal history and secular laws into a mythic insular narrative that is easy to remember and recall. Their god is just a spirit given grandiose titles and fabricated qualities to amaze the credulous. Since by the Bible it is a considered a transcendent god that means it has no reality and as such is a false god.
Septuagint was more useful as it consolidated the OT books in a different manner that improved comparative understanding and led to the release of the NT at the end of the Ptolemaic Empire. Hellenistic Jews and Alexandrian scholars working together to create a new mythology from that foundation allowing the spiritual inheritance of the fallen temporal empire to survive into the future and continue to support civilization.
Jesus a composite character composed of real and idealized people, events. As well as the gospel authors being literary constructs that represent different groups of thinkers approaching the same story through the characters.
LOL in the lounge we should have a thread about this: choosing a few pages of a book randomly and try to make a grimioire of it.... with humour and fun, otherwise we are just taking things much to on the serious side.
From the parallels with Mithra (walking on water, sharing a, virgin birth birth, 12 disciples, and 3-day resurrection) to how that god with the horrible misogynistic and bigoted personality, a true psychotic sky Santa (knows when you are sleeping, and bad or good, will throw you in hell but you have free will) that changes personality like Jekyll and Hyde, depending on who is in contact with it and who is granted the powers it supplies (that no longer exist in ANY of the multiple branches that it has produced) to the division and hate spewing from all Abrahamic cults?
That horrible book of lies and deceit?
You folks realize that Moses was a very evil Egyptian warlord conqueror? Suddenly he runs into the aliens on the mountain and continues to murder the firstborn innocents with the powers this evil turd of a god grants him?
You realize that one of his "prophets" cursed young boys for making fun of his bald head, and they were then mauled to death by a bear?
Shall I go on about how wicked and horrible this pile of shite is?
Every single bit of this sick and twisted mess is just rotten to the core and my entire being pukes all over it.
It condones slavery, bigotry, war, genocide, misogyny, and then tries to top it off with some love thy neighbor twist. What part of this makes the drink my blood and eat my flesh cannibal BS ok?
Still, all that blood drinking and flesh eating, and nobody can do anything of value, no powers, just a bunch of twisted people trying to force this brainwashed cult down other people's throats with the threat of violence.
This is the den of demons, if there ever was one, and it is all the Abrahamic cults that are the demon egregores.
These MF's burned and hung witches and anyone they didn't approve of, using this sick book of lies to try and justify this obvious mental health problem. And where was god or Jesus during any of the horrible times? Where were the powers? Just murder people for 400 years here, and 200 years there, with zero consequence. No intervention. No amazing god of love striking down the evil. Just millions of people murdered for whatever cult nonsense this fake book is puking on the gullible.
If people dug up a copy of "Stranger in a Strange Land" by Robert A. Heinlein, 2,000 years from now, they would likely create a religion from it and everyone would be busy arguing about what true Martian language is, and how to achieve the powers of Michael Valentine Smith.
These bible books were not originally together, and were put together by people trying to control other people. The Qumran caves (near the Dead Sea) and other locations like the "Cave of Horror" were spots where copies of early old testament stories were found. Stories, not facts.
The entire old testament is Jewish, and based on the Torah, but it isn't a copy of the Torah at all, and the order of those books is different than the Torah, and contain other materials. So, at best, this fake bible is a poser, a manipulated copy of another religion's documents, a polluted version that doesn't even follow the original religion or belief system.
The Catholic church went on to control politics and run Europe for a very long time, applying such evil forces that the Nazi's looked like amateurs. Over 400 years of destroying anyone that opposed them and taking their wealth and property. Now we know that they also have hundreds of years of pedophiles that they simply tried to cover up. Where was god during any of that? Approving? They also have bible books that other's don't, and are hiding materials and manuscripts under the Vatican like they get to control what the public is allowed to see. What an evil bunch of child molesting liars. The ONLY reason they have any power is because of violence and murder, oppression, fear, and control.
There is no power in this fake nonsense book, or the teachings. The only power is the belief of all the sheep it attracts that are mainly afraid of going to hell, or so ignorant that they can't put common sense together and see how confused and damaging this cult is. The power is brainwashing and manipulation of the weak.
Sure, an egregore or two, big deal. A murder, hate and division egregore obviously has the USA by the balls at the moment. This is what happens when you allow garbage religions and their nasty fake books to influence an ignorant population of haters.
I've often thought of expressing myself like this. Now I don't even have to consider it anymore. This says everything I've thought of, "Much Better" than I could. Wow, Well said!
