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DarkNinja3000

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Could be, could be indeed. Though, as you hint, a necessary preliminary is creating the sort of mind whose materializations deserve being made real. I have heard that Buddhist hell is simply having one's impulses instantly realized and that without hindrance or let.
Daaaam. Budhists are on another level. I never thought of that. Well, I think I could materialize intantly I would materialize to beeing super happy. 😁 That way the budist philosofy wouldn´t affect me haha AND I get every desire I want instantly.
 

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Yeah, but this thread is about Jung & The Red Book, so try to stay on topic.
 

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We're in Buddhist hell right now, this is it, this is the place 🤘🦉🍸
You mean the thread? The forum? Personally, I thought the Red Book's introduction (written by some Jungie junkie) was the First Ring.
 

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You mean the thread? The forum? Personally, I thought the Red Book's introduction (written by some Jungie junkie) was the First Ring.
You're sitting in Samsara right now, what you are experiencing at this moment is Buddhist hell. Maybe a little off-topic but it's my thread and it's worth pointing out the esoteric soul-prison we're chilling in.

To make up for the side track, I'll throw in another Jung quote later this week.
 

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You're sitting in Samsara right now, what you are experiencing at this moment is Buddhist hell. Maybe a little off-topic but it's my thread and it's worth pointing out the esoteric soul-prison we're chilling in.

To make up for the side track, I'll throw in another Jung quote later this week.
Like my dear old Dad told me, "Be happy where you're at. They can always send you some place worse."
 

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I'm going through the pictures of interesting passages I took in the Red Book.
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"Generally Sol is regarded as the masculine and active half of Mercurius.... Since, in his alchemical form, Mercurius does not exist in reality, he must be an unconscious projection, and because he is an absolutely fundamental concept in Alchemy he must signify the unconscious itself. He is by his very nature unconscious, where nothing can be differentiated..." - Jung, Mysterium Coniunctionis p 97

Just pointing out that Jung's Alchemical view on Mercurious equates to the unconscious. Also -

"[W]ithin the limits of psychic experience, the collective unconscious takes the place of the Platonic realm of eternal ideas." - Jung, M C p 87

Here Jung claims the Platonic Realm of Eternal ideas is experienced as the collective unconscious, an idea I personally link to the Buddha's Storehouse, or the Akashic field.
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"Mercurius demonstrably corresponds to the cosmic Nous of the classical philosophers. The human mind is a derivative of this and so, likewise, is the diurnal (very cool word btw) life of the psyche, which we call consciousness." - Jung, C M p 97

Here Jung also links Mercurius to the Cosmic Nous, thereby linking both as classical phrases for "The Unconscious". He also says that consciousness it only a shadow of the unconscious cast by the light of... I'm not exactly sure. But it is clear that he believes molding the unconscious has direct results to the shape of the conscious, which may explain why folk do such weird things without knowing why, it's cause it's brought in from the tangible qualities of their unconscious.
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Also, Jung read Rudolph Steiner, he references him and his views on the hereafter in the MC. Just a fun fact 🦉
 
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I'm gonna write a longer response later when I have more time, but for my fellow occultist Jungians: READ HIS EARLIER WORKS! Symbols of Transformation and Psychological Types don't seem as cool as his alchemical texts, but they contain the same exact concepts in technical language that is drastically easier for modern people to understand. It is much more exacting and precise, though less magical - which I suppose IS a legitimate downside, I assume that for the wrong type of person, describing the soul in technical terms like that may kill some of the meaning it gives their life.

Anyway, read those 2 books and learn the dynamics of libido, how this energy is generated and directed, how it might be blocked or regressed or sublimated, how its bi-directional flow allows it to create resistance against itself and thereby gives birth to the pairs of opposites. If you are already familiar with the esoteric side of the concepts, then the ideas will really come alive and differentiate themselves in a whole new way(that's not to say it will come easily though, these are still extremely dense technical books, the most advanced of their time in a specialized academic field. Go into it with the goal of researching these books; Try to exhaust each paragraph, rather than merely read it).
 

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READ HIS EARLIER WORKS! Symbols of Transformation and Psychological Types
Do you have any good quotes you'd like to share? I have been going out of my way to find particularly impactful and meaningful quotes from Jung, would love to hear which resonate with you.
 

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since it's tied to more primal and selfish desires: the desires to dominate, possess, kill, eat.
Which are very strong desires, parts that a human can't ignore but what people tend to shuffle under the carpet. People who are able to recognize they have these desires, that 'dark' is part of their being, gain possibilities to walk a kind of balanced middle way.

But it is clear that he believes molding the unconscious has direct results to the shape of the conscious, which may explain why folk do such weird things without knowing why, it's cause it's brought in from the tangible qualities of their unconscious.
The unconscious is immensely powerful, people both magicians and non-magicians would be more balanced if they could bring more things from the inside to conscious level. However, there are people who are so unstable that it would harm them even more. Or better said, they would harm themself and it is not for sure that they can heal.

I am very interested in studying the Red Book, also to read about the entities he encountered, but the copy I found was a scan from the actual handwriting. Is there a typed version also?
 

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The unconscious is immensely powerful, people both magicians and non-magicians would be more balanced if they could bring more things from the inside to conscious level. However, there are people who are so unstable that it would harm them even more. Or better said, they would harm themself and it is not for sure that they can heal.
If a person is too unstable and fragile to integrate their unconscious, they shouldn't be dabbling with any of this stuff and ought to stay with pop-culture and political slop. I would personally prefer death to such a pathetic state.


s there a typed version also?
There's a typed version and audiobook. The original manuscript was written by Carl, but there are official translated releases available for public consumption, a google-search should bring quick results. I wouldn't bother going into it to study the 'entities' in there, it is a narrative where you learn from Jung's interactions and his reflections on them, like an adult fariy-tale.
 

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Thank you for responding and glad that you opened a topic. I start reading/studying it and hopefully come back here. I am not sure what to find exact, but open to everything what's in it and pretty sure that I need to discover it.

Regarding to finding the book: last times I googled it I got the results of the hardcover books or a mention that results couldn't be showed due to European Laws about data protection. But this morning I did a search with another search machine and now it was a bingo. So I have it in PDF now. (and will share it on WF for other readers)
 
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